[SPLIT THREAD] Worst and Best Mod Ever

**Wartower** · January 01, 2009, 12:01 AM

Good luck.

**stormbringer951** · January 01, 2009, 05:06 AM

You couldn't make a single move? What's up with that? Explain?

And the damn slow and steady death is partly because a) the two core members of the team have left and b) everyone else is bloody damn away with the exception of Unbowed, TheKingSlayer and Condottiere SOG

**Wartower** · January 01, 2009, 08:02 PM

I couldn't make a single move because there was no point. It wasn't because the beta was broke. It was because I was looking at something that could have been great but instead was a skeleton of something great. I just didn't feel like attempting to immerse myself in a pool that was only half-full.

**Wartower** · January 01, 2009, 08:10 PM

=And the damn slow and steady death is partly because a) the two core members of the team have left and b) everyone else is bloody damn away with the exception of Unbowed, TheKingSlayer and Condottiere SOG

**Condottiere SOG** · January 02, 2009, 06:33 AM

I do understand that units need to be fleshed out. I will work on this as wel as the graphics end. Time. I need time. I cannot do this over night. Especially as head of other projects but, Gawd!, the pressure feels good. I get high from feeling like I have no time for anything and it pushes me towards excellence. You will have your mod, sir!

I want to know, Wartower, what specifically is it that you want? I say this due to the fact that while you have complained a great deal you did not go into specifics. I have just begun reading Game of Thrones. So I am not completely savvy. My only cognisance of this series is from my ex and a friend. I need details. As far as I know, through scripts, all aspcts can be duplicated for enhanced gameplay. What was the cause of your crash?

**Wartower** · January 03, 2009, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by Condottiere SOG

I have just begun reading Game of Thrones. So I am not completely savvy. My only cognisance of this series is from my ex and a friend. I need details. As far as I know, through scripts, all aspcts can be duplicated for enhanced gameplay. What was the cause of your crash?

**stormbringer951** · January 03, 2009, 04:06 AM

C) Do you want to help? Almost all of our guys aren't doing anything.
D) We have a release, even if it's a beta release. We'd collect dust even more at teh bottom of the page.
E) Ok, writing text. Any chance of learning graphics of some sort? We really need graphics artist as well

**Corrupted** · January 03, 2009, 02:41 PM

OK I've been reading up on the mod workshop as directed by stormbringer, and all I have to show for it is the ability to make and edit the campaign map... which is already done >.<. However if you want more work on that done I should be able to help! Also like wartower I would just LOVE to write descriptions for this mod. And I'm thinking with a bit of effort you guys can find a graphic artist from another mod that is already or at least near to completion.

Sincerely,
Corrupted

**Corrupted** · January 03, 2009, 02:48 PM

Ah I forgot to mention! I would also like to get more portraits for characters in game (these can easily either be found or drawn up by someone with skill in art), and actually NOT allow adoption and/or marriages. Because in the entirety of the series none of these things happen, seeing as it is only a few years (and this should be depicted with a 12 turn based year) ALSO, I would like to see the wall! I would be willing to help somebody with that (though I doubt I'd be able to skin a wall by myself) but the wall is a VERY important part of the story, with the wildlings (simple skinning on barbarians would be all that is needed for them) and the others (a bit more complicated but nothing too tough). Also Daenarys as an emergent faction perhaps? A few last things to clear up... the AI needs to be edited to become MUCH more agressive (well at least Lannisters/Jeoffreys/Starks/Stannis/Renly/Tully while Arryn/Martell should be more passive.

**stormbringer951** · January 03, 2009, 04:42 PM

You know, me and Unbowed need to finish that FAQ.

1) Adoption appears to be hardcoded. We cannot remove it. Just click no every time. That works. We could rename it to something like "Some guy swears his sword to you bla bla bla" but we can't remove it really

2) You can refuse all marriages too.

3) Daenerys would be a emergent faction. We'd mod her in after we got version 1 out the door.

4) The Wall may be included with 3), as GrnEyedDvl came up with a good idea for getting one in (read: better than other ideas, but still not ideal)

5) Condottiere SOG is working on our AI. I think he's primarily writing a Battle AI, but he might modify our CAI in that way. I'll pass that on to him.

**Kolath** · January 03, 2009, 10:35 PM

To the list of westeros-specific features:

-More accurate diplomacy: lannisters allied with Iron Throne, nobody liking greyjoy, etc.
-Mercenaries (sellswords and sell shields were a big part of the books)

As to marriage/adoptions: would it be possible to set probability of births to 0 and then have conquest of new cities/castles present a rename "adoption" screen saying that a new lord is raised to command this possession?

**stormbringer951** · January 04, 2009, 02:56 AM

not really. we can't really hardcode the possibility of an adoption screen, it appears depending on your ratio of family members : settlements. We will add mercenaries, and probably a specialised CAI if Condo would care to make one, and mercs will be added once we've got the team going.

Maybe it would be better to just refuse all adoptions and recruit generals if you want to RP your suggestion, Kolath? Sorry, I don't really know how we can make this workable, to be honest. GED might know though, if you asked him.

**Kolath** · January 04, 2009, 10:38 AM

No that's fair. I didn't really know what the limitations of the engine were so that's why I ask.

A few other ideas for westeros additions:

1 - "King's Hand" trait - If you have declared yourself king you may assign one general/family member to be your hand. The hand trait grants various buffs (command, popularity, etc.). I envision it working like anytime the King and a general are in a city you get the option to make them the hand (if one doesn't exist) or remove the hand trait. Deus lo vult has a similar mechanic where if you have a disloyal general in the capital with the king you can throw them in the dungeon (thus adding an "in the dungeon") negative train that makes them immobile.

2 - Outlaws - Spawn rebel armies when cities are sacked to represent defeated people turning outlaw rebels.

3 - Allies count toward victory condition. I don't know if this would be possible but it would be nice if allied factions counted toward the region requirement for victory. For example if you are king in the north, the Tully lands should really count toward your victory total. If that is not possible, perhaps make vassalage easier to do if you are king? (Again I'm not sure what you can script or not)

**stormbringer951** · January 04, 2009, 02:07 PM

1) It would be a lot easier to make it as an ancillary. With almost exactly the same features.

2) I believe vanilla does this. Maybe we could increase the likelihood of this. Anyone know if this does happen?

3) Not sure about this again. We had a discussion about this in the dev forum before as well

Thanks for the extra feedback, Kolath

**Kolath** · January 04, 2009, 02:46 PM

1) Ah, just so

3) I've never really messed around with vassalage. If someone becomes a vassal can they "un-vassal" any way other than their lord being destroyed? If there is room for scripting and vassal relationships, that mechanic could be the way to simulate the political relationship.

I'm imagining having the game start with tully as vassal to stark, highgarden as vassal to renly, lannister, greyjoy, arryn and dorne as vassals to joffrey. Then various vactions could throw off the yoke of vassalage and declare kingship (i.e. greyjoy) or swear for another king (everyone else). You could then have triggered events like once you conquer X% of a faction they will capitulate.

I just don't know how flexible the engine is. Are there any good threads that discuss what can and cannot be scripted?

4) Victory conditions should be harder for Joff, Renly, and Stannis because they aspire to rule all 7 kingdoms whereas Greyjoy and Stark only want to rule their area. Especially for Greyjoy, flavorwise it doesn't really make sense for them to conquer tons of the mainland. So perhaps they should require fewer territories (enough to get just main coast areas.

**Double A** · January 05, 2009, 01:58 AM

Yeah... but Tully shouldn't be vassal to Stark. That doesn't make much sense...

Unless...

Can you script it so Tully gets +10,000 king's purse when vassal'd to Stark, but if they get un-vassalized, they lose the money. It would even out for Tully, and Stark gets extra money.

**Kolath** · January 05, 2009, 08:31 AM

Why shouldn't Tully be Stark's vassal? Didn't Riverrun swear the Trident's allegiance to King Robb?

EDIT: Oops you're right. At the start if the Starks have not declared themselves king of the north Tully and Stark would still be sworn to Joffrey.

It might be simpler to just start the mod's timeline with Robb having declared kingship. Otherwise, who will they fight?