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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnspac View Post
    Just some added food for thought....
    This was my original preamble, which I tossed, as it didn't fit well with team discussions and direction.

    The Cimbri were an enigma. Known to have resided in the area of present day County of Himmerland, Denmark, on the Northern part of the Jutland peninsula, detailed historical references still argue as to whether they were German or Celts.

    They are also known to have wandered over the centuries. Tales of these fierce warriors come from Spain , Greece , Turkey , Bulgaria, Romania , Iran, Russia and Poland.

    The Cimbri became the scourge of the land bordering the Romans between 113 to 101 BC. They were of gigantic stature, fair complexion with long yellow hair and large blue eyes. They were seen glaring ferociously from beneath a headdress garnished with the grinning tusks of a boar, or the horns of a wild bull. Some glower from beneath a cowl made from the fur of some other wild beast. The religion of these fierce warriors accorded with their other rude habits.

    Their tribal confederates were the Teutones , Ambrones, Boii and the Helvetti, all of which were considered Celtic in origin. The known Cimbri Chiefs were, Boiorix ( King of the Celtic Boii tribe of Italy and Bohemia), Gaesorix, (King of the Gaesatae , Rhone Valley Celts from Gaul) and Lugius, named after the Celtic god Lugh.

    According to Hubert (1934) ‘All these names are Celtic, and cannot be anything else.’, however Wells (1995) states; ‘ the Cimbri, originally from Denmark, the Cimbric peninsula , are certainly not Celts..’. But to really get the juices flowing, let us throw in a couple of ‘historical’ arguments shall we ?


    A hypothesis is presented (with much supporting evidence) that a migration of Cimbri ended up in the Thracian – Scythian areas between the 8th and 7th centuries BC and were known as the Cimmerians to people of Iran and Assyria. Apparently they were known to Homer and Herodtus [ c.450 BC] a Greek historian who notes they were eventually chased away by the Scythians between 650-600 BC. and headed west.

    In ‘ Empires of the Bible’ , 1904, Gomer also states that the Cimmerians were;
    ’ dispossessed of the country of the Ukraine where we shall find them again. They took possession of the country that is now Germany and Denmark and afterward, accompanied their kindred in the invasion of Italy. The Cimbri ( for that is what the Cimmerii were then called ) and the Gauls form the two branches of the great Celtic race.’ ‘ In the time of Alexander the Great, all western Europe above the river Po and the Pyrenees mountains, and from the plains of the Drave and the Save, to the Baltic Sea was possessed by these two branches of Celts.’

    Diodorus Siculus [c. 60 BC], wrote;
    Some men say it was they, in ancient times, who overran Asia [Minor] and were called Cimmer-ians – time having corrupted the name to Cimbrians as they are now called…they are the people who captured Rome, being called in time Greco-Gauls, because they mixed with the Greeks.


    Perhaps the best way to sum up the Cimbri is from Latham in 1851.. ’ hence I hesitate to commit myself to the doctrine that the Cimbro-Teutons were Gauls at all; what they were being a greater mystery than ever.’

    Latham's above statement was actually a correction to a paper he wrote claiming the "Cimbri were Celts and nothing else."
    Fascinating stuff.
    germanic celtic cletic germanic but then what is germanic then wats germanic celtic but but

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    That's why we snuggled up to our old buddy Tacitus.
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    Lots and lots of information Arnspac

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    how will the cimbri's nomadic character be represented. will the rs team consider a level-of government approach like EB has?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Germanicus J. View Post
    how will the cimbri's nomadic character be represented. will the rs team consider a level-of government approach like EB has?
    MAYBE :hmmm:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisJoker View Post
    germanic celtic cletic germanic but then what is germanic then wats germanic celtic but but

    Confusing isn't it!

    Then again, you can add to that, that the problem has always been there & still is. Most languages will have different names for the same peoples.
    It depends who is writing the history.

    That said it is a bit of a oddity that Germanics, supposedly predominantly blond ( 'Aryan' or is that another red herring? ) should be confused with the predominantly raven haired Celts.

    Then again my historical knowledge is sketchy at best. :hmmm:

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    I purchased the "Battle of the Teutoburg Forest" by Peter S Wells in June.
    Though I'm yet to have read it, must do so soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germanicus J. View Post
    how will the cimbri's nomadic character be represented. will the rs team consider a level-of government approach like EB has?
    I think I will let cherryfunk or dvk901 respond to that.
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    So where will the Cimbri be placed at the beginning of the campain?

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    Around Denmark and the northern part of Germany


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus the Virus View Post
    I purchased the "Battle of the Teutoburg Forest" by Peter S Wells in June.
    Though I'm yet to have read it, must do so soon.
    well u will be suprised tht the batlle wasnt even fought in the forest itself but by a field close by(i think)and they fought with some od=f the same tactics as the romans and beat them in their own game

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisJoker View Post
    well u will be suprised tht the batlle wasnt even fought in the forest itself but by a field close by(i think)and they fought with some od=f the same tactics as the romans and beat them in their own game
    Forest or no forest, it is described as "Romans was used to fight in the open field, and could not adjust their tactics (formations, weapons) to the heavy vegetation".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus the Virus View Post
    Forest or no forest, it is described as "Romans was used to fight in the open field, and could not adjust their tactics (formations, weapons) to the heavy vegetation".
    well yeah thats why the germans defeated the romansIts just that the germans beat them using their own tactics on an open field

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    awesome work! but i have a question!
    they do not fight to hordes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcp View Post
    awesome work! but i have a question!
    they do not fight to hordes?
    good question:hmmm:

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcp View Post
    awesome work! but i have a question!
    they do not fight to hordes?
    Not sure what you mean here, but if you are referring to BI's hordes... then no.

    Here is a link to some interesting reading;
    http://www.davidkfaux.org/Cimbri-Chronology.pdf

    and

    http://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&i...result#PPA5,M1


    Some tend to think that when the Cimbri, in their ill-fated battle against Marius, chained themselves together in the front ranks, was a horde. It was a disasterous decision, when two or more men fell, the rest were weighed down and like sitting ducks.
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    Great faction, I love how the officers carry heads around with them

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    RS 2 will be the best RTW. Great job can't wait.

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