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Thread: Finally, a major media outlet mentions dictatorial world government.

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    Default Finally, a major media outlet mentions dictatorial world government.

    I found this days ago, but i was so banned i couldent post it, ive had time to right my thread out though

    The Financial Times, one of the most respected and widely read newspapers on the planet, features an editorial today that openly admits the agenda to create a world government based on anti-democratic principles and concedes that the term “global governance” is merely a euphemism for the move towards a centralized global government.

    For years we were called paranoid nutcases for warning about the elite’s plans to centralize global power and destroy American sovereignty. Throughout the 1990’s people who talked about the alarming move towards global government were smeared as right-wing lunatics by popular culture and the media.

    For those who dont want a global government, for those who enjoy having freedom, Look out for 3 main signs to look for ;

    1.First and foremost they will attempt for gun control, A population with guns can never be subjued, if they attempted to create a dictatorial government the 80 million gun owners in the usa wouldent stand for it, even the 20,000 troops they deployed could not prevent a Coup d'état
    and would most probably join in with the coup as soldiers are citizens too.

    2.Fear - Now they know how useful terrorism is against us, They will employ it more often, with the laws bush could bring through under the guise of terrorism is scary, do not let them get away with another false flag, NEVER give up freedom for security, as you will have neither, Guns are security enough, The real terrorists are the government, terrorism is not what al queda does, al queda is fighting against oppression Terrorism is to control something by fear, and intimidation, and that is certainly what bush did, We must attack iraq or they will strike again, We must have the patriot act because the terrorists communicate and use email all the time, and they even hide in your house so thats why we must spy on you, otherwise they will attack us again, That is terrorism.

    3.A world central bank, And the north american union, They have recently been blatently denying the existing of north american union, (Even though its all over the news and internet and government documents) A north american union, incase people dont know, Will combine United states, Canada, And mexico into one state like the europion union.

    Now a world central bank is the most important, Paulson basically gained a secret dictatorship when the bailout was passed, its now upto $8.4 million incase you wanted to know, A world central bank is alot worse than the IMF, it will have control of all the worlds money, free reign to print money out of thin air like the fed, and the fed is the main reason our economy crashed, the bubble was created when the fed intervened with the interest rates and the EXTREMELEY overprinting of money it created the artificial boom in the mortgage lending.

    Do not let them take your guns, Do not be fooled by terrorism, And do not be fooled by this recession, It is real, And it is not our fault no matter what they put on us, Do not let them regulate the internet 10's of millions of people would still be plugged into the matrix as it were, and they would still live in fear of terrorism, and people would be begging for a global government to defend us against "terrorism" if it wasnt for the internet, the government is a LEGAL mafia, Edit : I want to reiterate one last point on this, as i forgot to add it in, Do not let them regulate or censor the internet, in any way whatsoever, no matter what they say on the news that it will help get rid of "child porn" its a face to get rid of the means of alternate media like prisonplanet and all the conspiracy videos on youtube, they will destroy our gateway to the last viable, truthful source of information.

    To all you people who will respond to this thread with only insulting me, i welcome you, just shows your ignorance

    Martin


    I have never believed that there is a secret United Nations plot to take over the US. I have never seen black helicopters hovering in the sky above Montana. But, for the first time in my life, I think the formation of some sort of world government is plausible.


    A “world government” would involve much more than co-operation between nations. It would be an entity with state-like characteristics, backed by a body of laws. The European Union has already set up a continental government for 27 countries, which could be a model. The EU has a supreme court, a currency, thousands of pages of law, a large civil service and the ability to deploy military force.
    So could the European model go global? There are three reasons for thinking that it might.


    First, it is increasingly clear that the most difficult issues facing national governments are international in nature: there is global warming, a global financial crisis and a “global war on terror”.
    Second, it could be done. The transport and communications revolutions have shrunk the world so that, as Geoffrey Blainey, an eminent Australian historian, has written: “For the first time in human history, world government of some sort is now possible.” Mr Blainey foresees an attempt to form a world government at some point in the next two centuries, which is an unusually long time horizon for the average newspaper column.


    But – the third point – a change in the political atmosphere suggests that “global governance” could come much sooner than that. The financial crisis and climate change are pushing national governments towards global solutions, even in countries such as China and the US that are traditionally fierce guardians of national sovereignty.
    Barack Obama, America’s president-in-waiting, does not share the Bush administration’s disdain for international agreements and treaties. In his book, The Audacity of Hope, he argued that: “When the world’s sole superpower willingly restrains its power and abides by internationally agreed-upon standards of conduct, it sends a message that these are rules worth following.” The importance that Mr Obama attaches to the UN is shown by the fact that he has appointed Susan Rice, one of his closest aides, as America’s ambassador to the UN, and given her a seat in the cabinet.


    A taste of the ideas doing the rounds in Obama circles is offered by a recent report from the Managing Global Insecurity project, whose small US advisory group includes John Podesta, the man heading Mr Obama’s transition team and Strobe Talbott, the president of the Brookings Institution, from which Ms Rice has just emerged.


    The MGI report argues for the creation of a UN high commissioner for counter-terrorist activity, a legally binding climate-change agreement negotiated under the auspices of the UN and the creation of a 50,000-strong UN peacekeeping force. Once countries had pledged troops to this reserve army, the UN would have first call upon them.
    These are the kind of ideas that get people reaching for their rifles in America’s talk-radio heartland. Aware of the political sensitivity of its ideas, the MGI report opts for soothing language. It emphasises the need for American leadership and uses the term, “responsible sovereignty” – when calling for international co-operation – rather than the more radical-sounding phrase favoured in Europe, “shared sovereignty”. It also talks about “global governance” rather than world government.


    But some European thinkers think that they recognise what is going on. Jacques Attali, an adviser to President Nicolas Sarkozy of France, argues that: “Global governance is just a euphemism for global government.” As far as he is concerned, some form of global government cannot come too soon. Mr Attali believes that the “core of the international financial crisis is that we have global financial markets and no global rule of law”.
    So, it seems, everything is in place. For the first time since homo sapiens began to doodle on cave walls, there is an argument, an opportunity and a means to make serious steps towards a world government.
    But let us not get carried away. While it seems feasible that some sort of world government might emerge over the next century, any push for “global governance” in the here and now will be a painful, slow process.
    There are good and bad reasons for this. The bad reason is a lack of will and determination on the part of national, political leaders who – while they might like to talk about “a planet in peril” – are ultimately still much more focused on their next election, at home.


    But this “problem” also hints at a more welcome reason why making progress on global governance will be slow sledding. Even in the EU – the heartland of law-based international government – the idea remains unpopular. The EU has suffered a series of humiliating defeats in referendums, when plans for “ever closer union” have been referred to the voters. In general, the Union has progressed fastest when far-reaching deals have been agreed by technocrats and politicians – and then pushed through without direct reference to the voters. International governance tends to be effective, only when it is anti-democratic.


    The world’s most pressing political problems may indeed be international in nature, but the average citizen’s political identity remains stubbornly local. Until somebody cracks this problem, that plan for world government may have to stay locked away in a safe at the UN.
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    Default Re: Finally, a major media outlet mentions dictatorial world government.

    Mate if you're so convinced of this uber evil new world order then you gotta stop spamming these forums because that won't make the slightest bit of difference.

    Go out there. Become an activist. Convince the world that what you think is true. Stop bothering us. This forum won't change anything, at all, ever. If you're as convinced of this as you claim to be then you're already running way behind schedule.

    It's a win/win situation. You're out there making a difference and we're in here being rid of your conspirational sensationalism.

    Also I voted yes because I'd definitely do my part if I can then live to see the biggest failure of a government in all of human history.
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    Default Re: Finally, a major media outlet mentions dictatorial world government.

    Martin P:

    Didn't you even read the bloody article? He's hypothesising for goodness' sakes.
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    Default Re: Finally, a major media outlet mentions dictatorial world government.

    No he was talking about a global government and how it can be brought with globobal warming/Terrorism/and the financial crisis, I can read markas, no worries, ive learned to live with people dissagreeing with me, keep it up

    The Dude - I have a few times, not a member of 9/11 truth movement, but ive been to a few of them.

    I like how you say im spamming, but in fact, im posting something other than the usual articles, something you disagree with you view it as spam, I accept your opinion but the fact still remains, it is political event.
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    Default Re: Finally, a major media outlet mentions dictatorial world government.

    lmfao. read to gun control.

    then refered back above to "lunatics"

    ur points are based soley upon the US, not taking into account the rest of the world (which is rather strange considering this is about a new world order)

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    Default Re: Finally, a major media outlet mentions dictatorial world government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N View Post
    Markas - No my ban was on something completeley different dont bring that into it, No he was talking about a global government and how it can be brought with globobal warming/Terrorism/and the financial crisis, I can read markas, no worries, ive learned to live with people dissagreeing with me, keep it up

    The Financial Times, one of the most respected and widely read newspapers on the planet, features an editorial today that openly admits the agenda to create a world government based on anti-democratic principles and concedes that the term “global governance” is merely a euphemism for the move towards a centralized global government.

    NO IT DOESN'T. It quotes a few people who think it would be a good idea. That's called exercising freedom of speech. Not that it matters, because you disagree with the conclusion of the article that the idea of world government is unworkable currently, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    lmfao. read to gun control.

    then refered back above to "lunatics"

    ur points are based soley upon the US, not taking into account the rest of the world (which is rather strange considering this is about a new world order)
    lol yeah

    well didn't you know that *liberal* is a dirty word?
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    A government's greatest weapon when that gun law was wrote was a canon. The greatest weapon governments have today are Biological, Nuclear and Chemical weapons. If they wished to subdue a population then they could wipe out millions with just a few missles. They could even keep the infestructure in place. You cannot protect yourself from a malignant government no matter how much you stockpile weapons.

    The only proven method of social and governmental change that lasts is peaceful protest. From the last 90 or so revolutions towards more democratic governments, approximately 95% have been a result of peaceful civil protest. I wish I had a link for this but it was in a scientific magasine. If you stock up on guns and have the will to use them against your government you become the next Basque party, NPR or any number of the latin american/african forces. All you will get for your trouble is the death of your people.

    Fear is always a good part of a dictatorship, Hatred is even better. Motivate a group to hate and they'll act for you happily. A fearful people just hide away and a less productive. An independant bank doesn't guarentee an independant system. Banks love to lend to eachother, it makes them both richer on paper.

    Regardless, if this new order arises it will be no more successful than any order, either an external force or an internal struggle will end it.
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    Default Re: Finally, a major media outlet mentions dictatorial world government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N View Post
    The Dude - I have a few times, not a member of 9/11 truth movement, but ive been to a few of there rallies, i live close to ground zero, and there usually always there.

    I like how you say im spamming, but in fact, im posting something other than the usual articles, something you disagree with you view it as spam, I accept your opinion but the fact still remains, it is political event.
    It is spam because you've become a single issue poster. Everything you do and say is about this new world order.

    Let's get one thing straight. I'm not the type to sarcastically run around saying "TEH MONGOLS DID IT" (though that does crack me up). I think some conspiracy theories have some truth to them. I don't doubt that dirty games are being played behind the scenes in politico-land. In fact, it seems entirely logical to me.

    But it also seems to me that there are multiple degrees of conspirational thinking that get more and more incredible the further you get.

    The first level of conspirational thinking is just the recognition that things isn't always played fair. For example, the Illinois governor and his selling of the vacant senate seat. It's dirty games being played behind the scenes and obviously Blagojevich is annoyed at being caught pants down. This sort of thinking is inherent in any rational human being and only the most naive will think otherwise.

    The second level is the understanding that "framing" happens anywhere. People do it to each other, and as it happens, politicians are people. So the way a situation comes to play out and the way the news reports it to us, don't always have to be the same. At this level you will for example find one politician screwing over another, innocent well intentioned politician for personal gain.

    The third level goes a large step further. It moves from politicians to governments, and the suspicion that even governments aren't always honest. For many people, this step is too big to take because the crimes that are being committed at this level are usually of a grand enough scale that people either cannot fathom it, or do not want to believe it because they cannot cope with the fact that their elected officials are in fact such dirty bastards. The 9/11 conspiracy falls under level three. Personally, level three is as far as I am willing to go, and my belief that 9/11 is an inside job is probably the only time that I do go this far. Unfortunately, for many people, level three is already severe enough to throw you in with the tinfoil hat crowd.

    The fourth level then is, to me at least, the belief that there is an international conspiracy. So we started out with a rather general "things aren't always fair", then we moved to crimes concerning politicians, then crimes concerning governments and now we're at crimes concerning multiple governments. This type of thinking goes too far even for me. The Illuminati and Freemason conspiracies fall under level four. You are a level four conspiracy theorist.

    The fifth level is the complete nutjob level. Drooling loonies with tinfoil hats thinking that intergalactic alien observers have secretly guided humanity's path throughout the ages and communicated through Mayan temples while hiding amongst us. Nobody who's a fifth level conspiracy theorist needs to be taken serious. Ever. Ever ever.

    So you can now see why I consider your posts spam. You are a fourth level conspiracy theorist who has foregone rational thought and logic in favour of sensationalism and hyberobsessivity. Your belief in this new world order not only tires everyone around you, it's also completely self destructive because it drives your credibility into the ground. The harder you scream that what you say is true, the less people will believe you.

    The only bit of logic that can still help you now is simply accepting that if you genuinely believe that what you say is true, you have done all you can to convince us and you have failed. Therefore, you need to learn to give up and calm down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaghatai Khan View Post
    lol yeah

    well didn't you know that *liberal* is a dirty word?
    i feel unclean just seeing the word on my screen.

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    Dont worry TD, Im calm as anything man, ive learned to not let people get to me, To be honest you believe 9/11 was an inside job - todays world considers you a nutjob, hell if you are just a little bit anti-Government your a conspiricist/nutjob, nice post though you explained your point, But im not one topic, i post on a broad range, though technically i post on mostly anti government/establishment, its still different subjects, And i too never believed in world government. until a few years ago, in my books it was confirmed when they talked about it on news, i couldent believe it, you cant tell me you havnt seen on the news them calling for a new world central order to help us get out of this financial crisis ?

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    Default Re: Finally, a major media outlet mentions dictatorial world government.

    Waw, an article which hypothesizes about the formation of a global government is proof there is one?

    I'm soooooo going to write an article about a hypothetical law giving me the formal right to have sex with all women without their consent! And that bans the 80's from all history books!
    Because you know, writing about a hypothetical situation obviously makes it so, that's like, totally logical.
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    Default Re: Finally, a major media outlet mentions dictatorial world government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N View Post
    Dont worry TD, Im calm as anything man, ive learned to not let people get to me, To be honest you believe 9/11 was an inside job - todays world considers you a nutjob, hell if you are just a little bit anti-Government your a conspiricist/nutjob, nice post though you explained your point, But im not one topic, i post on a broad range, though technically i post on mostly anti government/establishment, its still different subjects, And i too never believed in world government. until a few years ago, in my books it was confirmed when they talked about it on news, i couldent believe it, you cant tell me you havnt seen on the news them calling for a new world central order to help us get out of this financial crisis ?

    Martin
    Yeah I have, but as I said in another thread, it's just words. What the words mean depends on who hears them.

    I don't believe in the NWO, or at least I don't believe in the danger that an NWO would pose, because I don't believe in single-government systems. An NWO would collapse faster than you could drop a penny. I believe that for anything to exist, it requires natural competition. An NWO would not have that. Hence it will stagnate, collapse and inevitably turn on itself.

    That's why it does not bother me. It seems to me a completely unworkable concept. Are there greedy, corrupt politicians out there who will stop at nothing to make themselves and their countries stronger, whatever the cost? Undoubtedly. But those have existed for centuries and are nothing new. So I'm not bothered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin N View Post
    Markas - No my ban was on something completeley different dont bring that into it, No he was talking about a global government and how it can be brought with globobal warming/Terrorism/and the financial crisis, I can read markas, no worries, ive learned to live with people dissagreeing with me, keep it up
    Yes you can read but your trying to read between the lines and inferring things with no real backing. The article is a hypothesis, nothing more. Besides your poll is too black and white. Would I support a global govornment a la Nazi Germany? Hell no. Would I support a benevolent dictatorship or technocracy? Yes probably.

    There has been a trend in human history towards larger and larger areas of govornance for example ancient Greek Polis towards the empires of the 18th and 19th Centuries. Global govornance is the next logical step. Your "nation's" soveriegnty is pretty tiny compared to world opinion (with a few exceptions). Why is it so hard to make the jump from an American to an Earthling? We all live in this world so why don't we work together to make it better for everyone? I don't understand why some people don't like this idea.

    I am also unsure of why you automaticaly hate any large authority. While power can corrupt many people do genuinley want to do what is right. But people (politicians too) can get things wrong. It doesn't make them evil spying, lying arse holes does it? What is needed is a little bit of healthy suspicion to stave off nievity, nothing more. I have to agree with some of the above, the way you phrase your arguments does make you sound like a foil hat man.

    To summerise, govornments have been growing larger for all of human history. The majority of humans do have a slight altruistic bent, not all are evil and selfish.

    Oh and RE: Gun Control, I think it was Homer that said "The blade itself insites to violence"
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    The guy was saying that he thought a united world would be a good ieda oh and here's a followup by him after getting spammed by people who don't read.

    World government and internet slime

    By Gideon Rachman

    Published: December 11 2008 02:00 | Last updated: December 11 2008 02:00

    Gideon Rachman's blog: I knew that there was something odd going on, when I woke up at 7am on Tuesday and found that over 200 e-mails had arrived in the seven hours that I had been in bed. It turned out that my article on world government had been "Drudged" - ie put on the much-read Drudge Report and this had set off a torrent of e-mail traffic.

    The pace of comments - and their vituperative tone - persuaded the blog-masters here to shut down the comments section on that article pretty quickly. But this had the unfortunate effect of encouraging people to e-mail me directly. The following from Tommy101d@aol.com is fairly typical:

    "Just wanted to let you know that you're never gonna get your New World Order.

    "People are waking up everyday to what's really going on . . . Good luck gettin' the guns you traitor piece of trash!!"

    If you get two e-mails like that it can be faintly unsettling. If you get 200, however, you begin to get used to it. That said, the whole experience has given me an insight into the mindset of the gun-toting, bible-bashing, nationalistic bit of the United States. Here are my conclusions.

    1) There is an unbelievable amount of anger and hatred out there - directed at everything from the United Nations to big business to Barack Obama. These people can read, but they cannot think.

    2) The "End of Days" crowd is very strong. I would say that about a third of the e-mails I got referred me to the Book of Revelations - in which, apparently, it is all foretold. In an idle moment, I e-mailed one of my correspondents back and said that I have never read Revelations, since I am an atheist. Big mistake.

    3) There are a lot of people who believe not only that global warming is a hoax but that it is actually a conspiracy. The fact that the most influential reports on climate change have been produced by an intergovernmental panel (IPCC) - sponsored by the UN - fuels this theory. The idea is that the UN is perpetuating a climate-change hoax, to provide an excuse to impose a world government on America. I'm all part of it apparently.

    4) I can see what Obama means by referring to "bitter" people clinging to guns and religion. And clinging is the word. Several people informed me that I would only remove their guns "from my cold, dead hands".

    But something positive has also come out of this experience. If the newspaper industry really goes down the pan, I now have a business plan. I will claim to be a former member of the Bilderberg/Illuminati/Council on Foreign Relations/UN/Zionist establishment and write a book revealing the inside story of a plot to form a world government. It will sell millions.

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    I'll try to act surprised. Evidently people can read but not comprehend.
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    If NWO is established I'd join the Resistance forces and help overthrowing NWO and assassinating their leaders. I know how to make explosives and Molotovs so far.

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    LOL, I was reading Democracy Matters by uh... The large afro guy that got fired from Harvard... >.> .... Whatever, point is he talked about the NWO, and immediately I thought of Martin N.

    And by thought of I mean laughed my ass off. The author's a socialist, quite the anti-statist. But from MN's "viewpoint", it could've looked like the author was a sidious two-faced evil illuminati angel-god-demon.

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    Martin N's Avatar Banzai jūden-ki
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    Default Re: Finally, a major media outlet mentions dictatorial world government.

    Yup you got that right, Globalists are generally illuminati, Seeing as im in a good mood, ill refrain from reporting you for insulting me, but thanks for your input, Socialists are usually democrats so your point is basically right, dunno about the angel-god-demon thing though too emo.

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    Default Re: Finally, a major media outlet mentions dictatorial world government.

    really I thought magicians were in general Apolitical?
    according to exarch I am like
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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

    Simple truths
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    Did you know being born into wealth or marrying into wealth really shows you never did anything to earn it?
    btw having a sig telling people not to report you is hilarious.

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