Your political orientation

[Akhilleus]

despite what many americans believe there are not two, but FOUR political wings on the scale, so which are you? for the less informed people i've added some descriptions.
i, myself, am a libertarian.


liberal (socially liberal, economically conservative)

believes the government should keep its hands out of most social issues, and strongly regulate the economy.
some liberal types of government:

true democracy
true communism
legislative union or federal system



conservative (socially conservative, economically liberal)

believes the government should put its hand in social issues, to keep the "moral fibre" and system of law enforcement strong, but out of the economy.
some types of conservative government:

plutocracy
confederal system (a confederacy)
constitutional monarchy



libertarian (socially liberal, economically liberal)

libertarians believe that the government that can govern the least is the government that should govern the most (often). essentially as little control in social or economic issues as possible: the government only exists to ensure that the actions of one person do not infringe on anothers rights. (libertarians are NOT anarchists, anarchists are NO government, but libertarians are the closest to an anarchy out of the four)
some types of liberatian governments:

direct republic
true communism (to some extent)



authoritarian (socially conservative, economically conservative)

authoritarians believe the government should have its say in all manners of business: dictatorships and military/police states are al categorized here. an authoritarian state has its up sides; primarily this type of government is excellent for quickly industrializing or revamping the military, if there is a determined leader at the head, since there is no need to wait for legislation too get passed, the state's word is final.
some types of authoritarian government:

dictatorship
autocracy
any totalitarian government

[Eric]

i'm a liberal

[Flavius Atius]

Authoritarian

[Dispose]

Damn. i was supposed to pick liberal (socially liberal, economically conservative) not libertarian (socially liberal, economically liberal).

Even through im for liberal we don't really have political parties over here.

[Pra]

I'm liberal,

just a quick question. Isn't the 'libertarian' type of government one that follows a sort of 'laizais(sp?) fair(sp?)' policy? If so isn't this a 'true democracy?

[Akhilleus]

true democracy is NOT a weak-government, true democracy is everyone votes, majority rules, and whoever loses can ****** and moan all they want, nothing will change.


laissez-faire is a term dubbed in the 1700s for a new idea on economics, one opposed to the mercantilist system, where ideally the government keeps its hands out of the economy, it is was not used for purposes of social classification.
but yes, you could use laissez-faire to describe libertarians as a whole, but as i said, democracy is not laissez-faire.
the reason a direct republic is libertarian is that a direct republic is where the leaders are directly elected by vote, not to pass law and elgislation, but to just keep the peace (rome was a republic, but rome was also authoritarian).
the reason true communism is partly libertarian is because once the burdon of government is lited (communism advocates strong plebicite control to revamp the social class system, and once that is done government will no longer be needed) is because it's ideal form is a utopian state with a little government as possible.

[Sidus Preclarum]

I am a democratic socialist, ie what here is called a Liberal, though in Europe Liberal would more often than not mean libertarian or conservative, ie Miltonian liberal, in a purely economical pov . I'm a good ole' Keynesian .

[bigfootedfred]

i ..........dont know.

i honsetly really dont have a freaking clue.

[smack]

I think your definitions, though internally consistent, are not consistent with how most people use the terms in the political arena, ie, historically.

And where is radical?

[RusskiSoldat]

conservative (socially conservative, economically liberal)

That is exactly what I am. I think.
I am conservative on social issues and believe that the government should pay for every social service through our taxes. Or does that make me authoritarian?

[Cleisthenes]

This poll is confused. It is conflating so many different ideas that answering it is of no use.

[Coh I Nerv Reenactor]

You forgot moderate, which is really what most of us in the U.S. are.

[hormiga]

Test yourself!
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Slightly libertarian and left of center.

[Zuwxiv]

Anarchist. I made the site implode.
Communist. I made all the results equal. But they really aren't.
Nazi. I eliminated any results what weren't near mine.
Liberal. I chained myself to the site.
Conservative. I tried to cut down the site that the liberal was chained to.
Siblesz. Because Siblesz sent me.

Really, I stumbled upon this a while ago, I don't remember what I got, but it was libertarian leftist, almost exactly at Gandhi.

[Akhilleus]

Originally posted by smack@Mar 26 2005, 12:29 PM
I think your definitions, though internally consistent, are not consistent with how most people use the terms in the political arena, ie, historically.

And where is radical?

the reason it's not concistent with how most people identify the terms, is most people identify them impropperly.
if you're liberally economic; ie you dont like government control in the economy, chances are you're not liberal or authoritarian (you can still have some economically liberal tendancies and be one or the other).
the reason it seems off is because most people think that someone whos "liberal" isnt conservative, and is therefore liberal in economics and social issues.
WRONG, someone whos economically liberal and socially liberal would have a lot of conflict with someone whos economically conservative ans socially liberal.
liberal, in this sense, means government hands off. so a person who likes the government to pay for social programs, like social security, for example, is NOT an economic liberal. they are an economic conservative.
this is how the terms were meant to be used since thier inception in the 1700s, not the dumbed-down version the media uses. the hardest thing for most students in college economics classes is undoing the damage done to them by years of impropper terminology useage, learning that a liberal is not both socially and economically liberal often confuses people, since both in the US and europe many, many people assosiate laissez-faire economics with conservatives, and social-states with liberals.


"You forgot moderate, which is really what most of us in the U.S. are. "

then you have no political orientation; you're the agnostic of the political world.
the poltical compass itself (as it is known) only has four points: left liberal, right conservative, top is libertarian and bottom is authoritarian, with a little square in the middle for moderates, though by definition moderates have no political orientation, hence my ommitance of it from the poll.


edit:
FYI: radical, nazi, communist, etc, etc, etc are NOT political orientations, they are political groups that each belong to one of the political wings. its like the dog analogy, every german shepard is a dog, but not every dog is a german shepard, just as every nazi is an authoritarian but not every authoritarian is a nazi.

[Sulla]

Go the liberals (conservative ecomonic, liberal social). Not overly strong in either.

As Hormiga pointed out,

Test yourself!
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

It is some fun.

[Pra]

Originally posted by Akhilleus@Mar 26 2005, 11:51 AM
true democracy is NOT a weak-government, true democracy is everyone votes, majority rules, and whoever loses can ****** and moan all they want, nothing will change.


laissez-faire is a term dubbed in the 1700s for a new idea on economics, one opposed to the mercantilist system, where ideally the government keeps its hands out of the economy, it is was not used for purposes of social classification.
but yes, you could use laissez-faire to describe libertarians as a whole, but as i said, democracy is not laissez-faire.
the reason a direct republic is libertarian is that a direct republic is where the leaders are directly elected by vote, not to pass law and elgislation, but to just keep the peace (rome was a republic, but rome was also authoritarian).
the reason true communism is partly libertarian is because once the burdon of government is lited (communism advocates strong plebicite control to revamp the social class system, and once that is done government will no longer be needed) is because it's ideal form is a utopian state with a little government as possible.

thanks for clearing that up man.

[bigfootedfred]

ok

[Akhilleus]

hmm thats an odd one, generally authoritarian is bottom and libertarian is top...but it works just the same.

[Eothain]

I'm a political homosexual, whatever that is.