Tolkien General Discussion

[Swagger]

i've heard not many...

[Varjon]

During Years of the Trees and First Age they had about 3-4 children per family but during late Third Age average was about 0-2.

[Swagger]

tolkien gave lots of info..even how often they have :wex:...lol

[The Count(er)]

Well you read the title! Many of you are scholars in this area, so I have made a thread for you to talk about everything Tolkien related. You wanna talk about the length of a dwarves beard, GO for it! You wanna talk about mithril supply to the Elves, please be my guest! If this thread gets big enough, we may even make you guys a sub-forum right here at TATW. Chat away!

If I remember right you closed a couple of these threads in the past

[Swagger]

indeed, 80% of the threads are closed..

[Varjon]

Well I've been thinking of making thread like this but I've lived in believe that it will be closed during next 12 hours or so...

Anyway, it's good that we have this thread now.

[Mithrandir]

indeed, 80% of the threads are closed..

Yeah, and for good reasons...

[Swagger]

im glad i can improve my LOTR knowledge...

[maxi90]

in a life of, say, 1000 years, they had only 1 or 2 sons? well, i guess that´s why there are so few of them (I though it was be cause they were all sailing to valinor). About Rohan vs Swam Knigth, i think it´s true that the Swam Knigths are some of the best cavarly in middle-earth, but Rohan´s men have better horses and are naturally skilled as horsemen (pretty much like mongols in real life: ligth armored, but very good riders and horses). So i would say that Rohan beats Dol.Amroth

[Code_Knight]

in a life of, say, 1000 years, they had only 1 or 2 sons? well, i guess that´s why there are so few of them (I though it was be cause they were all sailing to valinor). About Rohan vs Swam Knigth, i think it´s true that the Swam Knigths are some of the best cavarly in middle-earth, but Rohan´s men have better horses and are naturally skilled as horsemen (pretty much like mongols in real life: ligth armored, but very good riders and horses). So i would say that Rohan beats Dol.Amroth

No daughters?

[Mithrandir]

Nope, only the most elite Rohan troops would be able to match the Swan Knights.

[Varjon]

No daughters?

Of course they had daughters.

[shinsengumi]

A few quick comments.

I post yet lengths of each age.

Years of the Lamps: 33537
Years of the Trees: 14325
First Age: 590
Second Age: 3441
Third Age: 3021
Fourth Age: ?

Although I must admit that I don't remember the exact durations for the Spring of Arda and the Years of the Trees, your figures seem excessively high. For example, I recall the Years of the Trees being approximately 1,500 years long, so I can only assume that you converted the actual years into their approximate solar equivalents.

(For those who have no idea what I'm talking about, note that during the Spring of Arda and the Years of the Trees, the period of time known as a year was just under ten times longer than what was considered a year after the creation of the Sun and Moon at the beginning of the First Age.)

During Years of the Trees and First Age they had about 3-4 children per family but during late Third Age average was about 0-2.

I'm not sure where your numbers come from. Laws and Customs of the Eldar indicates that that elven families had few children, that a family with more than four was very rare, and that none had more children than Fëanor, who had seven sons. Tolkien does note that the average number of children decreased as the ages progressed, but is pretty clear that every elven marriage produced at least one child.

[Rextherock]

Why are all great elfs and men in Tolkiens middlearth from the same familly.

Like the first elf king is ancestor to Aragon and his kids.

Beren(married) is in that family and so is Hurin (his nephew got married to one of finwes house) all great persons elf and humans are of the house of Finwe.

There most be some one that does not some how goes into this familly.

Here is a picture:
http://valarguild.org/varda/Tolkien/...pix/treebw.jpg

[The Doge of Venice]

they're like the french cavalry from med2tw?


unmatched...?

Polish are better but thats off topic, and Rohan had less well equiped cavalry but they had huge numbers and basically every male citizen was trained in the basics of cavalry warfare, also i belive Gondor wuld have been primarily heavy charging cavalry where Rohan had all types.

And technically Aragorn and Arwen are related since Aragorn is a descendant of Elros who is Elronds brother and chose to live a mortal life instead of Elvish since he is half-man and gets that choice. Although i belive Aragorn is about 24 generations down.

[maxi90]

There most be some one that does not some how goes into this familly.

the royal family of rohan, i think

[Colonel Cleg McLeg]

The Rohirrim were Middle-men, so yeah, their royal family would have no relation to the Dunedain, except through the odd marriage, such as the one between Morwen of Lossarnach and King Thengel.

Anyway, I wouldn't say that the movies stayed very true to the literature. There were just too many niggling little details (and some bloody big ones, too), that were changed when the story was transferred to the big screen. The crown of Gondor, for example, was described as being similar to the helmet of the Guards of the Citadel, only taller and more impressive, whereas in the film it was simply a regular crown. Then there was the Gondorian armour, which has already been pointed out, and huge changes to the plot, such as Frodo's diversion to Osgiliath when he was held captive by Faramir.
Having said that, in my opinion the movies were absolutely fantastic in their own right. I certainly enjoyed them more than any other movies that were released around the same time.

[Roger the Shrubber]

Eorl the Young wasn't in PJ's movies either, and I thought he was a pretty awesome guy.

[Colonel Cleg McLeg]

Well, he did live half a millenium before the War of the Ring. :wink:

[Mithrandir]

Eorl the Young wasn't in PJ's movies either, and I thought he was a pretty awesome guy.

Well, he did live half a millenium before the War of the Ring. :wink:

Zing!