GRAND PREVIEW

[RPK]

My opinion for the names is that they should be as simple as possible:
A very good translation of the name in plain English
Like the above comment:
Kongeriket Norge (is difficult to remember), The Kingdom of Norway (is something you can never forget)
It is really difficult to get used to all those weird names and it is confusing when another faction makes a diplomatic action on you and you can't recall which faction it is...
Just my thought
Thank you,
Agis

The faction symbol is always shown in diplomacy and almost everywhere else where the faction name is used, and I think the symbol is what most people look at first, if not, it's surely the second thing. Can't say I've ever forgot what the factions were in any mod, and if I didn't recognise them, it's because I didn't know about them in the first place.

[Neptulon]

Oh man, lovely preview!
I didnt even have time to read it all, but I bet that was lovely too!

It was very learning too. I bet this is gonna be one of thoose legendary mods I will rember when I get old

The only thing I cans ay something bad about, is the faction shields. think they all were kinda uggly, Maybe historically exact, but stainless steel got much better looking than that x)
Would also love if you had the same meny music like SS, finidng something better will be hard ^^

[Copperknickers II]

Oh man, lovely preview!
I didnt even have time to read it all, but I bet that was lovely too!

It was very learning too. I bet this is gonna be one of thoose legendary mods I will rember when I get old

The only thing I cans ay something bad about, is the faction shields. think they all were kinda uggly, Maybe historically exact, but stainless steel got much better looking than that x)
Would also love if you had the same meny music like SS, finidng something better will be hard ^^

SS music is from various films and other such unhistorical nonsense. I'm afraid you wont get much sympathy around here if you think we should aspire to stainless steel.

And if you don't like the music or symbols, i am afraid you will be sorely dissapointed with the mod. All of those symbols have been researched to death, and were the symbols used historically by those factions, and the music is (mostly) genuine ethnic music from those factions. Neither of those things will change, and any variation from that in stainless steel is purely commercialist eye-candy, which is something you will find none of in DotS. The mediaeval period was not a pretty time, im afraid. I heard they didn't even have Total War games. The poor souls.

Seriously though, most people think the factions symbols are great! What do you find wrong with them?

[tore]

The names are supposed to be medieval, of course. If you have evidence, like texts written by contemporaries or historians, supporting a proposal for a name, then why not send them here (or PM them to me, for instance). The names in the preview are not necessarily going to be the same as in the released version. This is because the preview was about presenting the factions and some of the new features (etc.) rather than about presenting authentic names.

well, Norway, the name, comes from old-english and/or old-norse meaning simply "the way north". The earliest contemporary source of the name (as far as I know of course) is from the saga of Ohthere of Hålogaland, which Alfred the Great, king of Wessex had written down around 890 AD. Unfortunatly I can't present other evidence than that on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohthere_of_H%C3%A5logaland and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway#Etymology) In that saga Norway is named Norðweg.

My suggestion would be: Kongariki Norðweg, Kongerike Norge or Kingdom of Norway.

anyhow, I understand fully that this preview was intended as a presentation of the factons and some features of this mod (which by the way are the most exiting I've ever seen on this site by far!) and not to present authentic names. I don't mean to split hears, I just had to act as I would have hatet it if the name of my country became wrong in such an exellent mod

[Hross]

Just because you haven't come across it, doesn't mean it is wrong.
Konungedømæ is the older form of Kongeriket, it is actually a form of Old Norwegian- still being used in the early Middle Ages, it is in fact the word Kongeriket that has been borrowed from Danish into Norwegian during the late Middle Ages, possibly under the period of the Kalmar Union. So although both words are correct, I felt it was useful to highlight the older and predominantly Norwegian name for Norway. Norvegr was not an option I'd considered due to it being a reconstructionist name, Noreg however is probably better since it does follow the more likely etymology of Norge stemming from Nor Rig rather than Nor Veg. As you say the Norway and Norge hasn't been proven to come form the same source. It has been argued by some Nordic scholars that Norge's name for itself is unlikely to have been the 'road north' when they lived there, although for the English it would make more sense. Kongariki is Old Norse so I felt that was too far out.
Being a citizen of Scandinavia, an academic author on early Scandinavian history and a languages student, I felt pretty sure I was on the right track.

Just downloaded the grand preview a few days ago and I must say this is the most promising mod I've ever seen however.. I got a bit annoyed to say the least about the name you have given my country.. Konungedømæ Norge! That is just plain wrong.. Don't really know where you could have gotten that from. If you were supposed to give the factions their modern day name, in their respective languages, the right name is "Kongeriket Norge/Noreg". Konungedømæ sounds like a mix of danish and swedish.. and that sounds bad..

Anyhow, if this mistake has already been addressed, I apologize.

[CaesarBR]

Just because you haven't come across it, doesn't mean it is wrong.
Konungedømæ is the older form of Kongeriket, it is actually a form of Old Norwegian- still being used in the early Middle Ages, it is in fact the word Kongeriket that has been borrowed from Danish into Norwegian during the late Middle Ages, possibly under the period of the Kalmar Union. So although both words are correct, I felt it was useful to highlight the older and predominantly Norwegian name for Norway. Norvegr was not an option I'd considered due to it being a reconstructionist name, Noreg however is probably better since it does follow the more likely etymology of Norge stemming from Nor Rig rather than Nor Veg. As you say the Norway and Norge hasn't been proven to come form the same source. It has been argued by some Nordic scholars that Norge's name for itself is unlikely to have been the 'road north' when they lived there, although for the English it would make more sense. Kongariki is Old Norse so I felt that was too far out.
Being a citizen of Scandinavia, an academic author on early Scandinavian history and a languages student, I felt pretty sure I was on the right track.

Excellent, Hross
btw, you pwned him lol

[Hross]

That would be great. Maybe we can start bids... how much would you pay?

We should really release the first download a month ahead. Like a Limited Edition and put it out on E-bay, to the highest bidder. It would be great to actually get paid for this crap...

[Walkman810i]

You have something better... a good feeling

[Kraft]

You have something better... a good feeling

Feeling schmeeling, the guy wants his spondula!

That would be great. Maybe we can start bids... how much would you pay?

We should really release the first download a month ahead. Like a Limited Edition and put it out on E-bay, to the highest bidder. It would be great to actually get paid for this crap...

Ahh, I see what you did there. You're possessed. Trying to sort out the true believers from the doubters by calling it "this crap". Well you don't fool me. I have faith and believe in the one true Mod above all others; and in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Hross I cast thee, demon, from this forum!

... $15!

[Basil 11]

SS music is from various films and other such unhistorical nonsense. I'm afraid you wont get much sympathy around here if you think we should aspire to stainless steel.

I have to agree with you there...

[Copperknickers II]

The Holy Hross?

Arise, ye citizens of the forume, and bear ye witnesse to the grayte and moste wondruss prophet of DotS, the savioor of all thinges, the Holiest of prophetes, the mighty Hroshmed! Beholde, for all that has gone before is false and misguided, for the tyme has pas'd to worship idoles of great apes and men. Yes, friendes, the Steel is Stain'd, and now the Crescent that was Broken, is about to be remade! Take ye the mantel, and forge a new faithe, one that will laste beyonde this age, and into the unfathomeable reaches of time! And if ye play DotS, ye shall be enlightened, for ye shall sit at the chaire of everlasting heaven, and 30 virgine factiones shall await you to playe them!

All hayle Hross, and the One True Mod!!!

[johncage]

any mod featuring new music is using nonhistorical sources. in fact all music from the original game was composed by modern people using modern instruments. so sorry if i don't see the point in using music to criticize stainless steel, as every mod out there has the same problem.

[Joblo]

Since we're talking of historical stuff, is the song and name of France in your preview written/sung in old French (Regnum Franci, something like that, Royaume de France, it's pretty easy to decode since it's so similar to French)?
Or something like vulgar latin (I think it's more like very old French which may seem a bit like latin when written, but maybe pronounced differently from it, because I don't know if it was like that, but where I live (Quebec) the way we pronounce words and the way they are written are sometimes very different (I'm talking especially about familiar way of speaking, not formal btw )

Anyways, at the same time I just wanted to share this information with you guys, so if you think this makes no sense and you're trying to find one, don't bother

(Also I'm not criticizing at all, I'm just wonderin' and asing stuff, this mod seems awesome and I'll buy Kingdoms just for this mod (and another one I found very interresting, Heilligne Rischereich or something like that, anyways German stuff, centered around the HRE, seems very kewl!))

Maybe it can also be written like this : Royaume des François (Kingdom of the French) but this is more like old French (17, 18th century)and maybe shouldn't be used... after all since it's not old enough... (today "Kingdom of the French" would be "Royaume des Français", also, Francois is now a man's name... just lettin' you know)... anyway... chu content que tu r'viennes! T'arrives en même temps qu'l'automne! Tsé qu'ça m'a faite bin d'la peine de t'voir partir ma mignonne!

This song always gets in my head when I hear/say "anyway"... ^^ I know I should learn to "shut up" but I like talking for the sake of talking Really sorry, I won't write stuff like that anymore if it unerves you guys...

[mayhem87]

OH my god! The new faith was born here! The worshiping of mighty Hroshmed!! HROSSISM!

All hayle Hross, and the One True Mod!!!

[Stinkfloyd]

Oh no, this is how wars get started. Now you guys will vie for souls with Kongism and the freaks over at SS.

ha ha ha !

[tore]

Just because you haven't come across it, doesn't mean it is wrong.
Konungedømæ is the older form of Kongeriket, it is actually a form of Old Norwegian- still being used in the early Middle Ages, it is in fact the word Kongeriket that has been borrowed from Danish into Norwegian during the late Middle Ages, possibly under the period of the Kalmar Union. So although both words are correct, I felt it was useful to highlight the older and predominantly Norwegian name for Norway. Norvegr was not an option I'd considered due to it being a reconstructionist name, Noreg however is probably better since it does follow the more likely etymology of Norge stemming from Nor Rig rather than Nor Veg. As you say the Norway and Norge hasn't been proven to come form the same source. It has been argued by some Nordic scholars that Norge's name for itself is unlikely to have been the 'road north' when they lived there, although for the English it would make more sense. Kongariki is Old Norse so I felt that was too far out.
Being a citizen of Scandinavia, an academic author on early Scandinavian history and a languages student, I felt pretty sure I was on the right track.

thanks for the explanation didn't mean mean to question your academic portfolio
Using Noreg instead of Norge is a good idea, I'll second that!

[Hross]

Hoppas att du inte känner dig dissad!
Det är kul med debatt!

[tore]

Disset? nei faen! det må være litt debatt på slike forum!

[Copperknickers II]

any mod featuring new music is using nonhistorical sources. in fact all music from the original game was composed by modern people using modern instruments. so sorry if i don't see the point in using music to criticize stainless steel, as every mod out there has the same problem.

Not really. Most instruments can be traced back to mediaeval times, and they certainly used at least influences from mediaeval and rennaissance composers. As for the Music in DotS, most of it is recreations of songs and types of music that we can trace back to medieval times, like EB for example. The point i am trying to make is that there is a difference bewteen music that sounds good and historical music.

[Basil 11]

The Holy Hross?
All hayle Hross, and the One True Mod!!!

haha