Tribunal Commentary Thread

[Hotspur]

This is not the Winter Commentary Thread, so I suggest you take it elsewhere.

[Kjertesvein]

Appeal 546 [insulting others]

...by the morning.

Appeal 547 - [Obscene Content]

...Is pretty straight forward. All it takes, is to ask in the moderator forum, and you got your answer. Sure, it might not be precedent and can seem missleading, but then you should ask if you are in serious doubt.

You also got moral obligation to start a thread on it, so others don't fall in the same pit.

Appeal 548 - [Non-case]
Jankern. Removed but this case got no grounds.

1. If he has served his time for past notes, ban, etc. then it should not be relevant... atleast witht the numbers of post allready down.

2. Søren is right, from his pov and I like that junior mods stand for it. The Moderator Handbook is what is wrong and can be missguided, in this context.

Originally Posted by jankren
Stupid and idiotic thread

As long as the TWC member, or any of his kin or friends is not named Thread, then this 'Insulting others' -appeal holds no ground.

On the other hand, it is not offtopic either: It is simply his opinion about the content, the whole discussion. So does that mean we can not express what we negativly feel about something? If I say "Appeal 548 holds no ground!", then is that offtopic enuff for an infraction? Am I not allowed to say 'stupid' or 'idiotic', then it should be cencored like this: , so that more TWC members don't fall in that trapp.

Appeal 549 - (at best) [Insulting others]

Eddy_Purpus, you post clearly had a flow, so it's not offtopic. It clearly followed the flow of the thread and there is no reason to hack and slash in this post.

Stupid console gamers

Is an clear insult. You can't just get away from it.


Appeal 550 - [Non-case]

saying that killing someone, policitican or not is for the favor for society is the same as advocating murder

No, it's not that simple. If it was in the Thema diva, then that could be the case. Since the poster posted in VV - then no.
If I say that hard core criminals should be put to death for their crime, Im I then worty of a note? I do not put politicians and rapist on diffrent class', do you?

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[Kjertesvein]

Appeal 551 - [Insulting others]

1. We need an independent translator, and a partial side can not translate the frames of the discussion. 2. Calling someone an ape: clumsy, less intelligence or boorish person, is insulting regardless of later petty apologys.

Appeal 553 - [Non-case]
1.If you can read - this is the Praetorium

2. Saying "He's home schooled" alone, is not insulting. Therefor the context of this case is vital for infracting Magic Man. What msg was it directed to? The OP? Well if that was the OP, then we need it, because it's now deleted.

3.

Its not directed at anyone and therefore can't be insulting towards a specific person.

If it was not directed at anything, then it's an offtopic post.

-----sub---- @ GrnEyedDvl

Originally Posted by Magic Man - Today, 12:54 PM / Re: Wow, this isn't getting boring.
I can't send PM's while suspended, so can i create an Alt with which to PM a moderator?

Originally Posted by Magic Man - Today, 06:32 PM / Re: Wow, this isn't getting boring.
No, i definitely can't see a forum called the Praetorium.

Originally Posted by GrnEyedDvl - Today, 10:08 PM / Re: Wow, this isn't getting boring.
You couldnt see that while you were suspended??

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[Ratbag]

Hesus would be the best translator I believe, him not being part of the discussion and being a mod. But the translation he gave is quite correct, but doesn't make it any less insulting.

[Don in the North]

i have to say master/dr rush, its doesnt matter what you felt you meant even though its glaringly obvious, if the guy took offence to such a blantant remark then thats that. case would be pre-decided

[Rebel Jeb]

It was directed at me, the context is obvious. I was debating, and since he knows all about me since he follows me around, he told people that since I was homeschooled, my knowledge was bad when it comes to science. I reply to him on his profile with a link of college success rates for homeschooling compared to public schooling, to show him he is false. He then replies in a message directed at me which will remain hidden except to the moderators in charge unless they want to reveal it that continually insulted them.

The context is key here.

[Kjertesvein]

Appeal 553 - [***]

It was directed at me

What msg was "He's home schooled" directed to?

he told people that since I was homeschooled, my knowledge was bad when it comes to science.

Do you have a link to this post?

Appeal 548 - [Non-case]

Originally Posted by GrnEyedDvl

Appeal 548-Insulting Others(score: Unanimous)

This was clearly referencing a post(s) and not a poster. However the post in question contains nothing that can reasonably be discussed and serves only to derail the thread. The Tribunal rules this be reclassified to Off Topic and leave the 3 points in place.

Appeal RECLASSIFIED

(directed towards Jankren's "appeal" post) I thought you worshiped Obama? Wouldn't this be pleasing to you?

Yeah, but the thread is implying that Obama isn't one of the worlds' most poweful people...

Debating the most powerful man, is either done with militar or economically power. Debating facts is one thing, but a thread which largly debate on the base of a 1-word statement, is something which got nothing to do in the Political mudpit in the first place, but Tema Diva.

OP: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=310639


If any one has read the thread, with a political pov:

http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work...eer-leadership

Just scroll down to Obama, what a joke! Obviously biased.


How powerful is he? Let's count the ways:

• Presides over world's largest, most innovative, most dynamic economy.(WRONG)
• Commander-in-chief of planet's richest, deadliest military.(WRONG)
• Finger on button of nuclear arsenal containing more than 5,000 warheads.(Him and 10 other people.)
  
• Head-of-state of world's sole superpower. (Um wow do I have to say how wrong this is?)
  
• His Democrats have majorities in both U.S. House and Senate. (So?)
• Recently awarded Nobel Peace Prize, apparently for general awesomeness. (If by awesome you mean awesomely doing nothing!)

Here, the OP opens the discussion with a statement, not a talking point, which opens to talks which only fit Tema Diva in political quality. That is why any one have the right to call it stupid and idiotic thread.

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[Rebel Jeb]

What msg was "He's home schooled" directed to?


Do you have a link to this post?

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The debate.

And yes, its in the tribunal case.

[Kjertesvein]

The debate.

What post nr?
The debate: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=6316158

And yes, its in the tribunal case.

A modders pov. implied that.

Where did Magic man tell people that "since Zeuxius was homeschooled, his knowledge is bad when it comes to science."?

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[Rebel Jeb]

Implying is the same. Also note this isn't the first instance hes done things to me. The last two times hes been suspended have been against my brother and me.

He was obviously implying that I wasn't smart due to my schooling. How else could it have been taken?

[Kjertesvein]

Third time: Which post Nr in this thread - do you mean he directed his post toward?

Implying is the same.

No: Implyig he did say it, is not the same as saying he actually did say it. There is a irrelevant point of view inbetween.

Also note this isn't the first instance hes done things to me. The last two times hes been suspended have been against my brother and me.

Is there a 'law' in the ToS, which state or imply: several Mod Interactions towards a specific individual, gives additional or easier future convictions?

PS: Getting personally involved is never a good idea. Involving your kin, is bordering personal referance.

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[Lance-Corporal Jones]

Master's defence is ridiculous! My sources inform me that calling someone an ape is as bad in Dutch as it is in English. His defence is like "yeah, I called him a bastard, but I actually meant that he's a great guy!"

[molls]

Your sources seem to have quite some knowledge!

[Lance-Corporal Jones]

Your sources seem to have quite some knowledge!

My sources are Dutch!

[Rebel Jeb]

post

All posts that involve science in the thread which are posted by me.

No: Implyig he did say it, is not the same as saying he actually did say it.

Depends how its used.

Is there a 'law' in the ToS, which state or imply: several Mod Interactions towards a specific individual, gives additional or easier future convictions?

Harassment, possibly.

PS: Getting personally involved is never a good idea. Involving your kin, is bordering personal referance.

Oookay. Riiight. Its not personally, I'm just stating a fact.

If its not insulting language, which I find it as it is, since I take offense to "Hes homeschooled, and therefore stupid." which is what he meant, and further proved in the private message, then it is either harassment or off topic. There isn't a way that its not against any rules at all from what I see.

[Kjertesvein]

All posts that involve science in the thread which are posted by me.

There are no credible evidence linking the statements.

Depends how its used.

Get a grip. If I edit you quote completly after my imagination and pov, are these words your? You got to be joking!

If its not insulting language, which I find it as it is, since I take offense to "Hes homeschooled, and therefore stupid." which is what he meant, and further proved in the private message, then it is either harassment or off topic. There isn't a way that its not against any rules at all from what I see.

We both agree contex is everything, but still the remaning key of context remains hidden: The PM, which is not open to the public. Therefor the case has not brought sufficient evidence supporting "hes homeschooled" is worthy of an 'insulting others'-infractions.
Again, in the end - I think we both agree. I also guess you personally are done persecuting? "...in the name of not harassing"

Appeal 553
As I said, to reply to nothing or no one, is offtopic. There is no escape from the jaws of the Tribune:

[Rebel Jeb]

There are no credible evidence linking the statements.

So you can throw out insults vaguely, but if you don't quote the person, then there's no way to prove it was against them, and therefore is not against the ToS? That seems pretty pitiful. He was aiming it at somebody, and who else could it have been? The key to the present is the past.

[Kjertesvein]

The key to the past is clear, open and recorded evidence.

[aduellist]

The key to the past is clear, open and recorded evidence.

Which he stated he already provided to the moderation staff. Your complaint seems to revolve around the fact that you can't see the PM in question. Since you have no part in deciding the issue, and the PM has been provided to those who do, what's the problem?

Edit: Magic Man states in his Tribunal thread that the PM has nothing to do with the case. If true, then it will solely revolve around context of the post in the thread in question. At the very least, as a personal reference in the D&D, it's off topic.

[Ratbag]

Magic Man's infraction is a joke.. Another example of trigger-happy mods. "He's Home-schooled" OOOHH NOESSS THE APOCALYPSE IS NEAR!!!! HUR UR HUR.
Anyone care to explain what the big deal is?