Slověne: Rodina, Bordy, i Hvala

**Sanskrit_Bandit** · June 17, 2010, 10:45 AM

The slovenes didn't really exist as a nationality in this timefrime, they were just a number of seperate carinthian tribes.

**NikeBG** · June 18, 2010, 09:36 AM

Not only Carinthian. "Slovene" was the name of the southern group of Slavs, many of which by WotN's time had already settled the whole Balkans (i.e. Bulgarian, Serbian, Croatian Slavs etc), not only those which later formed the modern Slovenians.

**Sanskrit_Bandit** · June 18, 2010, 11:55 AM

i agree, i was using slovene however in regards to the modern slovene nation.

**brennas** · July 28, 2010, 08:34 AM

Quite interesting project!!

hvala, Sloveni brati! (I don't know it is is said like this in Proto-Slav)

**NikeBG** · July 30, 2010, 03:11 AM

I don't know about Proto-Slav reconstructions, but I guess it's correct (maybe only "Slovenski" instead of "Sloveni", since it's supposed to be an adjective; or "brati Sloveni" if it's to stay as a noun).

**stufu** · February 16, 2012, 12:12 PM

polak966 , Rodina i hvala - i can understand but what is - bordy???

**Sanskrit_Bandit** · February 16, 2012, 01:32 PM

its the proto-slavic word for axe. its an odd singular feminine noun ending of -y that all slavic languages have abandoned.

**stufu** · February 16, 2012, 01:49 PM

topor ? never heard about <bordy-word>it! berdish maybe?? ok thx anyway

**Sanskrit_Bandit** · February 16, 2012, 09:24 PM

topor refered to any axe. a bordy was specifically a weapon.

**stufu** · February 17, 2012, 01:33 AM

what about especial weapon for cavalry units (and infantry) - " kisten' " cheap to produce and ease to operate with it ,very popular weapon of the past times used by both Europe and Asia forces???? It's great for early campaign era.

**NikeBG** · February 18, 2012, 04:25 AM

Hmm, could "bradva" (axe) originate from this "bordy"?

**Sanskrit_Bandit** · February 18, 2012, 08:07 PM

@ stufu i'm not familiar with this weapon. what's its origin. the early slavs didn't really use any specialized unique weaponry. The Moravians though did have a unique long axe.
@ nikebg its seems highly likely. according to these soundshifts, CerC becoming CreC in south and west slavic. example - protoslavic berg (shore) becoming breg in serbian, morva (ant) becoming mrówka in polish, gard (fort/city) becoming grad/gród in later slavic languages. also a vowel shift from o to a, and -va is probably a commonly occurring feminine ending in bulgarian (i'm assuming that's what language bradva is in). all slavic words are common only some have becomes cognates that go out of use over time, and that is why bulgarian and polish are not very similar anymore

**stufu** · February 21, 2012, 07:39 AM

[QUOTE=polak966;11057244]@ stufu i'm not familiar with this weapon. what's its origin. the early slavs didn't really use any specialized unique weaponry. The Moravians though did have a unique long axe.

it's not "unique"weapon look wiki http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%...B5%D0%BD%D1%8C (sry for non-English version)

**NikeBG** · February 22, 2012, 07:18 AM

I see, interesting.
As for the kistens - they're basically primitive flails or maces, often made from bone, metal (iron or lead) and sometimes even stone. Here are some Bulgar examples from the VII-XI c (minus the handle, of course).

**Sanskrit_Bandit** · February 22, 2012, 08:10 PM

It could perhaps be a regional weapon. I havn't seen any evidence for these weapons in the west Slav record, but they were however becoming more widespread in eastern Europe by the 10th century due to contacts with steppe nomads. that would also explain their presence in early bulgaria.

**Vladyvid** · March 30, 2012, 10:45 AM

Kisten (Kiścień in polish) was not a regional weapon, but rather a weapon adopted from steppe nomads, which was then adopted by slavs. It was basicly a flail, simple, brutal, but primivite weapon which was not very effective against well-armoured enemy, and which required more fighting skill than a mace or an axe.

Slava brati!

**stufu** · July 11, 2012, 11:30 AM

First alpha is out...What about Slavic realism project???any news?

**Sanskrit_Bandit** · July 12, 2012, 07:27 AM

iim not a modder so i unfortunately cant make this thing a md in itself. my aim was only to provide an open source information resource for any mods that have could use it for their time frame.