-- Preview of Dwarves --

[Preriusz]

I'm unacquainted with LOTR, but units are perfect so i'm waiting for this mod.

[The Doge of Venice]

Will the dwarven axe throwers have alot of ammo or will they be more like the Frankish axe throwers in Rome- BI where they will do most fighting hand to hand?

And will they be able to effectively throw the axes over the heads of there own troops if they stand behind them?

[Krechet(SiCh)]

They would be like frankish axe throwers.
Probably they would be able...

[DjAci]

They won't be able to recruit Dale archers, they will be mercs.

Phew

[Krechet(SiCh)]

2 Mithrandir the Istari: we planned whart Dwarves would be able tiio Recruit Dale Archers and Northmen Cavalry as alliesdc regular troops not mercs. Smth changed?

[Mithrandir]

2 Mithrandir the Istari: we planned whart Dwarves would be able tiio Recruit Dale Archers and Northmen Cavalry as alliesdc regular troops not mercs. Smth changed?

They're not in KK barracks/stables/archery range list in the dev forum.
Also, the first post in the dwarves preview says that they are exclusive mercenaries.

[Krechet(SiCh)]

KK don't include them cause Dale isn't ready yet. BUt as I know they called mercenarieas but they would be able for recruiting nt hirenig

[Mithrandir]

KK don't include them cause Dale isn't ready yet. BUt as I know they called mercenarieas but they would be able for recruiting nt hirenig

But don't you agree that they should be mercenary units?

[Krechet(SiCh)]

I don't agree. The add them to unit list cause dwarves don't have cavalry and archers. As mercenaries anyone could recruit them as I know.

[The Doge of Venice]

They weren't really Mercenaries, they were close allies, it's the same with most of the Byzantine units that are part of there roster.

[Krechet(SiCh)]

Exactly

[Mithrandir]

I don't agree. The add them to unit list cause dwarves don't have cavalry and archers. As mercenaries anyone could recruit them as I know.

I think you can make mercenaries character exclusive. Also, I think that fits better, because then you'd have to send an emissary (read "general") to Dale in order to aquire Dale soldiers.

[Krechet(SiCh)]

As you think in such case, we could give special building to Dwarves. Smth like Dale Embassy )

[Mithrandir]

As you think in such case, we could give special building to Dwarves. Smth like Dale Embassy )

If so, it would need to have a very low recruitment pool and replenishing rate. It's not like Dale has infinite numbers of men to spare.

[DjAci]

If well balanced, particulary with unique ballista, crossbowmen and axethrowers (+their impressive infantry of course) i think that dwarves do not need cavalry to be balanced.

[The Doge of Venice]

One of the biggest aspects of cavalry is not only flanking but running down routing enemy's, as far as field battles go cavalry charging flanks is primarily what secures victories, I don't think that they can manage without cavalry unless they have obscenely powerful other troops, try fighting a M2tw battle without cavalry and you'll know the frustration. I can see very little ways to make them even close to balanced in the field without cavalry, unless they have siege equipment like the Mongols- Heavens wrath Mortar from the Mongolphobia mod, which works similar to mangonel and I used 19 of in one battle and killed a whole 20 stack of enemy's to 98% dead in one shot from them and lagged up the game with the explosions!

[AmiR TimuR]

what about dale archer cavalry???

dont you think that something like Turcoman is necessary for dwarves?

[maxi90]

what about dale archer cavalry???

dont you think that something like Turcoman is necessary for dwarves?

?
why do you say that? it wouldn`t fit with dwarven warfare.
besides, they must have some weakiness, don`t you think?

[Incan]

One of the biggest aspects of cavalry is not only flanking but running down routing enemy's, as far as field battles go cavalry charging flanks is primarily what secures victories, I don't think that they can manage without cavalry unless they have obscenely powerful other troops, try fighting a M2tw battle without cavalry and you'll know the frustration. I can see very little ways to make them even close to balanced in the field without cavalry, unless they have siege equipment like the Mongols- Heavens wrath Mortar from the Mongolphobia mod, which works similar to mangonel and I used 19 of in one battle and killed a whole 20 stack of enemy's to 98% dead in one shot from them and lagged up the game with the explosions!

well infantry(like scots) usually have the enemy routing quickly, im not sure why but if you make the dwarves like the mini-tanks they are, im sure that cavalry will have problems doing much damage after the initial charge

[DjAci]

well infantry(like scots) usually have the enemy routing quickly, im not sure why but if you make the dwarves like the mini-tanks they are, im sure that cavalry will have problems doing much damage after the initial charge

Agreed, cavalry and flanking is hardly a way to secure victory. I usually concentrate on archers and infantry devastating the enemy with very little cavalry. Faster foot troops can sustain the enemy rout, and precise unique long range artillery can keep fire on them as they rout for some time to ensure they continue running. If u remember the caridge ballistae from BI u know what powerful artillery means.