What factions will emerge from revolution?

[Lias_solano]

Hi
I was wondering.now that we know each faction will have revolutions/rebellions against it if the conditions are right,or wrong as the case may be. I was wondering what factions we could expect to see? Im hopeing for something a bit cooler than French Rebels appearing.I think its more important in the colonies if a colonial state makes a grab for independance,like the 13 colonies.So if during the game the 13 colonies have their uprising and win,they will now be known on the map as the United States of America with their new flag.
So i was trying to think of what nations could arise if there is a colonial uprising.Ive thought of a few,and i know the years dont quite add up for the timeframe of the game.But i know that CA are making things that didnt happen in the timeframe possable(steamships).
So heres what ive come up with,if anyone knows any other revolutionary armies please post them so that we can learn a bit more.

13 colonies--------U.S.A
Buenos Arires-----Argentina
new spain---------Mexico
Scotland-----------Jacobite Revolution

Its not a huge list,but its a start.i only know about history in books that ive read.But if anyone knows about successful/un-successful revolutions and the names of those involved please post them

Lias

[Rorarii]

Well in real life you it goes something like this;

Monarchy / tyrant
revolution
chaos
democracy
chaos
dictator
Monarchy
etc

Or something like that ..

I hope the class system has depth and realism to allow actual events like the French revolution etc

R

[Rhaegar1]

I'd say norway, hungaria and ireland also have a good chance to be represented as emerging factions.

[Keeper of the Keys]

The jacobites would be an awesome emerging factions I would ally with them and kick englands ass and bring scotland back.

[Ishoss]

Norway, Finland, Baltic states, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, various French states, Greece, various Balkan states, (Including Albania and Bosnia with super-men units + stormtroopers + the man in the moon) Canada, USA, Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela, Colombia... I suppose some states in the east too!

A guy can dream, a guy can dream...

[BritPatriot1815]

The yanks we know will emerge from revolutions, but when a revolution occurs the regions turns into a historical state e.g Scotland might become a independant country ruled by the wacko Jacos, Hanover may become... well, Hanover get the picture

[mutu_10]

Wallachia and Moldavia , although they should be added from the start

[Keeper of the Keys]

Scotland might become a independant country ruled by the wacko Jacos

Wacko Jacos!!! Do you care nothing for all those scots that died!

[Salazar]

Did the jacobites want scottish independence from england? I thought they just wanted another line of successors on both countries thrones?
Or was a scottish king of their preference with an english king of the other line acceptable too for them?

[Agent Provocateur]

Did the jacobites want scottish independence from england? I thought they just wanted another line of successors on both countries thrones?
Or was a scottish king of their preference with an english king of the other line acceptable too for them?

Good question. Don't believe the Braveheartesque hype, they wanted to rule both. They weren't fighting for anyone's independence, more like everyone's subjugation to a ruler-by-divine-right despot a la francaise of the period.

"Bonny" prince Charlie couln't speak a word of English, let alone Gaelic. He was French basically. There were more Scots on the "English" side (though government is more appropriate) than on the "Scottish".

[Gale]

And Aragon is emergent in the War of the Spanish Sucession.

[Hmz..]

Belgian independance from the dutch republic

[Mr Roet]

Belgian independance from the dutch republic

Belgium gained independence in 1830, after the ending year, I guess.

[Martok]

Belgium gained independence in 1830, after the ending year, I guess.

Same thing with Mexico. IIRC, it didn't become independent until 1822.

I also don't understand why Norway would be an emerging faction either. They didn't gain independence from Sweden until 1905, and even before that they didn't get their own constitution until 1814. (I'm a Norwegian-American living in Minnesota, and our family celebrates Syttende Mai every year. )


Can't wait to see the Jacobites, though! Suppressing their uprising should be fun. I also would love to take them out for a spin myself, see if I can improve/reverse their fortunes after Prestonpans(sp?).

[jarnomiedema]

I think the whole point that some people are missing here is that emerging factions will be factions that could have emerged as the result of a rebellion in your territories..

If I'm not mistaken Scotland is already confirmed as one, so that proves the point; the idea is not whether these emerging factions did become independent, it's whether they could have become independent..

I'd say that Mexico has a good chance of being in (Argentina and Brazil are unlikely due to the absence of South America, except as a 'trade theater', which isn't the same as 'a part of the campaign maps'). The only other faction I can truly see as an independent power would be the Thirteen Colonies. In Europe, there will probably be a few minor eastern European states, Belgium, Norway, Scotland, Ireland, Greece, Balkan states and a few others I might have missed..

[Martok]

any way, i don't understand how will u side with the revolution if the game already made u choose which side u r with?

That's just it -- I'm not sure you *are* made to go with a certain side. I get the impression that if a rebellion or revolution occurs, that you will at least sometimes have the choice of either playing as the "rebels" or remaining as the original faction. Thus, should the Thirteen Colonies rebel and declare their independence, you'll have the option of either playing as the new United States or continue playing as Britain.

....At least I think that's how it works.

[Ishoss]

Same thing with Mexico. IIRC, it didn't become independent until 1822.

I also don't understand why Norway would be an emerging faction either. They didn't gain independence from Sweden until 1905, and even before that they didn't get their own constitution until 1814. (I'm a Norwegian-American living in Minnesota, and our family celebrates Syttende Mai every year. )


Can't wait to see the Jacobites, though! Suppressing their uprising should be fun. I also would love to take them out for a spin myself, see if I can improve/reverse their fortunes after Prestonpans(sp?).

Norway could've rebelled from Denmark earlier. Most Norwegians (Well, everyone who weren't in power) was quite disgruntled by the fact that Oslo was controlled from Copenhagen, that the Danish King sat in his castle out of touch with the Norwegians.

I do hope they will put "Fictional" revolts in the game, and not only those that happened historically.

[Radiso-FIN]

I want Finland!

[Hmz..]

steam boats didn't excist in that time period also so why not.

[upsettingshorts]

Yeah, if events unfold that trigger a revolution, it shouldn't matter that the actual even took place decades later in actual history. TW is an alternate history. As long as it happens in a believable fashion, that serves historical accuracy in a game.