Faction Thread - Kingdom of Scotland

**IVIarkI2I** · September 12, 2008, 03:37 AM

All info about Scotland faction you can post here... everyone who post here something interesting will give from me +rep

**jonny duck** · September 29, 2008, 03:15 PM

Can't yet find an accurate map of scotland in the 1300's, but as far as the rulers, generals and army goes, this is what I have found.

In the year 1300, Scotland was not ruled by a king but by a guardianship of nobles, the chief noble being John "Red" Comyn but joined in office by Robert Bruce. In 1306 Robert killed John and crowned himself king of scots at Scone. By his death in 1329, Robery had a married sister, Marjorie, who was married to Walter FitzAlan, High steward of Scotland. Robert himself had an infant son named David.
Also alive in 1300 were William Wallace and Andrew de Moray.

As far as the military force goes, Gallowglass mercenaries were used extensivly. After the Auld Alliance with France, feudalism played a much larger part of the military, slowly replacing the gaelic side. Perhaps have several gaelic units in the early period, such as highlanders armed with claymores, peasants with axes, spearmen and then a couple of feudal units so dismounted knights with basic mail, swords and shields. As far as cavalry goes, then some light scouts and a unit of feudal, armed in mail.

For the next period perhaps remove some of the weaker gaelic units, perhaps replace highlanders with claymores for men in main with the same weapon.

For the later periods incorperate french style units with a scottish twist, and perhaps introduce men armed with basket hilted swords and targes.

**IVIarkI2I** · September 30, 2008, 08:28 AM

nice we will try to script something like this

+ rep not working becouse I was giing you rep a lot of times

BTW:This is mine 500 post

**Jaguar6** · October 15, 2008, 07:25 PM

Here are my suggestions for Scotlands units...
Infantry
High
-Lowland Pike Militia: Light infantry armed with pikes.
-Lowland Halberd Militia: Light Halberdiers
-Lowland Nobles: Heavy infantry armed with sword and shield.
-Highland Clansmen: Light infantry armed with swords/axes and shields.
-Highland Pikemen: Light Pikemen
-Highland Lochaber Axes: Light infantry armed with the Lochaber Axe, a type of Halberd.
-Highland Nobles: Heavy infantry armed with double handed swords.
-Galloglass: Heavy infantry armed with double handed swords.
-Kerns: Light infantry armed with glaives.
Late
-Lowland Pike Militia
-Lowland Halberd Militia
-Lowland Nobles
-Highland Clansmen
-Highland Pikemen
-Highland Lochaber Axes
-Highland Nobles
-Galloglass
-Kerns

Renaissance
-Lowland Pike Militia
-Lowland Long Pikes: Medium pikemen armed with "Swiss Style" pikes.
-Lowland Halberd Militia
-Lowland Nobles
-Highland Clansmen
-Highland Pikemen
-Highland Lochaber Axes
-Highland Nobles

Shooters
High
-Lowland Bow Militia: Light Infantry armed with bows.
-Lowland Crossbow Militia: Light infantry armed with crossbows
-Highland Slingers: Light infantry armed with slings and shields.
-Highland Bowmen: Medium infantry armed with longbows.

Late
-Lowland Bow Militia
-Lowland Crossbow Militia
-Highland Slinger
-Highland Bowmen

Renaissance
-Lowland Bow Militia
-Lowland Crossbow Militia
-Lowland Gun Militia: Light infantry armed with hand guns.
-Highland Bowmen
-Highland Calivermen: Light infantry armed with the caliver.

Cavalry
High
-Scottish Knight
-Scottish Lancer: Light cavalry armed with a lance.
-Border Reiver: Light cavalry armed with spear and sheild.
-Border Knight: Medium Cavalry armed with war-hammers.
-Scottish Crossbow Cavalry: Light cavalry armed with crossbows.

Late
-Scottish Knight
-Scottish Lancer
-Border Reiver
-Border Knight
-Scottish Crossbow Cavalry
-Scottish Lighthorse

Renaissance
-Scottish Knight
-Scottish Lancer
-Border Reiver
-Border Knight
-Scottish Crossbow Cavalry
-Scottish Lighthorse
-Caliver Cavalry: Light cavalry armed with calivers.

This is pretty much what the complete list should look like, but I would like to have some more units for the Early period. If anyybody has some ideas I can add them to the list.

**Copperknickers II** · October 18, 2008, 03:55 PM

Would just like to add, tartan was extremely uncommon at this time, the main period of the clans came later iirc. I may be wrong, but all i am saying is, don't stereotyoe us! Braveheart is not a historical source.

**IVIarkI2I** · October 18, 2008, 05:04 PM

I found some pictures of the scotish late army

**IVIarkI2I** · October 18, 2008, 05:07 PM

King robert the bruce

I will do this king like unique character for scotland

**Jaguar6** · October 18, 2008, 05:14 PM

Great pics! Do you mind if I use them for the XIV Century mod?

I've never seen a slinger like that before, do you want me to add it to the list?

**IVIarkI2I** · October 18, 2008, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Jaguar6

Great pics! Do you mind if I use them for the XIV Century mod?

I've never seen a slinger like that before, do you want me to add it to the list?

of course you can do both things

**Rydwan** · December 15, 2008, 01:00 PM

Some my proposals:

1300- 1375
CAVALRY:
Scotthis Knights (Mail, Lance, sword, helmet like feudal knights and norman knights from battle of hastings)

INFANTRY:
Levy Pikemen (light version of lowland pikemen)
http://images41.fotosik.pl/31/b325aee04f8d41a8.jpg ( do them helmets like lowland pikemen, some without helmets)

Lowland Pikemen
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/W...%20Wallace.jpg
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/B...1314%20-03.JPG

Heavy Lowland Pikemen
http://images32.fotosik.pl/400/8bcd34f47c5c1de5.jpg (do with helmets like lowland pikemen!!!)

Highand Pikemen
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/W...%20Wallace.jpg ( they no were very different, highlanders just more primitive with some dresses)
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/B...1314%20-03.JPG

Lowland Halbediers (same body like pikemen)
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/E...1300%20-05.JPG (with this halberd with long blade)

Highland Nobles - highlanders, looking very close like from vanilia, claymore, only half should have dresses!!!

Clansmen (Looking like pikemen, shield and axe, no all helmets, can have naked feets)
http://images35.fotosik.pl/31/0f0fea6c82801947.jpg

Professional Soldiers (plate armor, pavise, spear) I do sure they were in mod period
http://images41.fotosik.pl/31/06419b87662805dd.jpg

Gallogiach
http://images39.fotosik.pl/31/623daea2082068bd.jpg

MISSILES:
Kern
http://images24.fotosik.pl/296/ce82f379629d8d43.jpg something like this, but with javelin and knife

Lowland Handunners

Lowland Crossbowmen

HighLand Archers (most lighter and primitive than Clansmen, they had naked feets to XVI, knife, simple bow)
http://images24.fotosik.pl/296/ce82f379629d8d43.jpg

INFANTRY:
Levy Pikemen (light version of lowland pikemen)
http://images41.fotosik.pl/31/b325aee04f8d41a8.jpg ( do them helmets like lowland pikemen, some without helmets)

Lowland Pikemen
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/W...%20Wallace.jpg
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/B...1314%20-03.JPG

Heavy Lowland Pikemen
http://images32.fotosik.pl/400/8bcd34f47c5c1de5.jpg (do with helmets like lowland pikemen!!!)

Highand Pikemen
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/W...%20Wallace.jpg ( they no were very different, highlanders just more primitive with some dresses)
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/B...1314%20-03.JPG

Lowland Halbediers (same body like pikemen)
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/E...1300%20-05.JPG (with this halberd with long blade)

Highland Nobles - highlanders, looking very close like from vanilia, claymore, only half should have dresses!!!

Clansmen (Looking like pikemen, shield and axe, no all helmets, can have naked feets)
http://images35.fotosik.pl/31/0f0fea6c82801947.jpg

Professional Soldiers (plate armor, pavise, spear) I do sure they were in mod period
http://images41.fotosik.pl/31/06419b87662805dd.jpg

Gallogiach
http://images39.fotosik.pl/31/623daea2082068bd.jpg

MISSILES:
Kern
http://images24.fotosik.pl/296/ce82f379629d8d43.jpg something like this, but with javelin and knife

Lowland Handunners

Lowland Crossbowmen

HighLand Archers (most lighter and primitive than Clansmen, they had naked feets to XVI, knife, simple bow)
http://images24.fotosik.pl/296/ce82f379629d8d43.jpg

1375 - 1420
CAVALRY:
Scotthis Knights (Mail, Lance, sword, helmet like feudal knights and norman knights from battle of hastings)

INFANTRY:
Levy Pikemen (light version of lowland pikemen)
http://images41.fotosik.pl/31/b325aee04f8d41a8.jpg ( do them helmets like lowland pikemen, some without helmets)

Lowland Pikemen
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/W...%20Wallace.jpg
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/B...1314%20-03.JPG

Heavy Lowland Pikemen
http://images32.fotosik.pl/400/8bcd34f47c5c1de5.jpg (do with helmets like lowland pikemen!!!)

Highand Pikemen
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/W...%20Wallace.jpg ( they no were very different, highlanders just more primitive with some dresses)
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/B...1314%20-03.JPG

Lowland Halbediers (same body like pikemen)
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/E...1300%20-05.JPG (with this halberd with long blade)

Clansmen (Looking like pikemen, shield and axe, no all helmets, can have naked feets)
http://images35.fotosik.pl/31/0f0fea6c82801947.jpg

Gallogiach
http://images39.fotosik.pl/31/623daea2082068bd.jpg

MISSILES:
Kern
http://images24.fotosik.pl/296/ce82f379629d8d43.jpg something like this, but with javelin and knife

Lowland Crossbowmen

HighLand Archers (most lighter and primitive than Clansmen, they had naked feets to XVI, knife, simple bow)
http://images24.fotosik.pl/296/ce82f379629d8d43.jpg

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1420 - 1453

CAVALRY:
Scotthis Knights (.late version) (Same like eazrl, but some plate elements, later helmets)

INFANTRY:
Levy Pikemen (light version of lowland pikemen)
http://images41.fotosik.pl/31/b325aee04f8d41a8.jpg ( do them helmets like lowland pikemen, some without helmets)

Lowland Pikemen
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/W...%20Wallace.jpg
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/B...1314%20-03.JPG

Heavy Lowland Pikemen
http://images32.fotosik.pl/400/8bcd34f47c5c1de5.jpg (do with helmets like lowland pikemen!!!)

Highand Pikemen
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/W...%20Wallace.jpg ( they no were very different, highlanders just more primitive with some dresses)
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/B...1314%20-03.JPG

Lowland Halbediers (same body like pikemen)
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/gallery/E...1300%20-05.JPG (with this halberd with long blade)

Highland Nobles - highlanders, looking very close like from vanilia, claymore, only half should have dresses!!!

Clansmen (Looking like pikemen, shield and axe, no all helmets, can have naked feets)
http://images35.fotosik.pl/31/0f0fea6c82801947.jpg

Professional Soldiers (plate armor, pavise, spear) I do sure they were in mod period
http://images41.fotosik.pl/31/06419b87662805dd.jpg

Gallogiach
http://images39.fotosik.pl/31/623daea2082068bd.jpg

MISSILES:
Kern
http://images24.fotosik.pl/296/ce82f379629d8d43.jpg something like this, but with javelin and knife

Lowland Handunners

Lowland Crossbowmen

HighLand Archers (most lighter and primitive than Clansmen, they had naked feets to XVI, knife, simple bow)
http://images24.fotosik.pl/296/ce82f379629d8d43.jpg

**jonny duck** · December 20, 2008, 07:05 AM

Some nice proposals there. Its quite a lot of units though, and a lot of them are perhaps too similar to include as stand alone units, so perhaps some of them might just be armour upgrades.

We will try and include your suggestions though, +rep for the time spent