Faction Thread - Kingdom of England

[Horsa]

Some re-enactment photos.

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[Rolling Thunder]

Just something -

In my opinion, English billmen (and heavy billmen) should not have chainmail. Chain was bloody expensive, and, by the time of this mod, pretty much obsolescent. Armour should really go something like this:

No armour
Padded/Leather/Etc (1)
Partial Munition (Iron) plate. (Armour 4/5, depending on the scaling of armour/attack values).

Yes, it's a massive jump, but from a look at the economics of the middle ages it's highly unlikely that even a successful peasant soldier would have been able to afford anything more than a chain coif around his neck and soldiers. You really don't see much armour on peasants until you have the mass production of munition plate in the 1400s. Which, again, I can see covering...chest, helmet, possibly thighs, if the peasant was damn lucky it might include foot or shin or forearm protection.

Also - Please include the 'Spearwall' ability for billmen.

[IVIarkI2I]

well england had profesional armoury system fully workable in 1400. There was professional army, not a peasant army full of militias ...

2 screens showing bill militia and billmen made by me

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[Horsa]

The later Medieval period saw a rise in heavily armoured soldiers, and as IVIarkI2I said, a decline in peasant armies.

[EarendilElenthol]

Rolling Thunder, I beg to differ. As far as my research goes, chainmail was often used under plate armour even (when it wasnt full plate). That can be seen when the pauldrons do not cover the whole shoulder and armpit. Even in mid 15th century mail is used in that case.

Yet mail was quite expensive, but in nearly all pictures of both knights and soldiers (painted glass, paintings, miniatures, sculptures and so on) it is visible, not only for the period before PL but also until in the 15th century. Lower classes (militia and levy) went often from thick gambeson to brigandine (often erraneously called padded leather) but before brgandine a mail shirt was better than a thick gambeson. It was replaced for the higher classes by plate armour. Old mail shirts were still useful so often poorer soldiers could buy a not so state of the art mail but as long as it worked, it wouldnt matter much to them . That is also the way brigandine was made, mostly of older plates and lamellar armour taken apart and set on a leather shirt. Recycling of useful clothes/armour and materials was quite common so a mail shirt would be less out of question for even a normal soldier.

[medievaldude]

ns 2 see i believe progress is great
gosh i should check each faction thread now