Debate over Transylvania

[Dromikaites]

Brainwashed olah?!

Did you read the conclusion of that Hungarian genetic study? Here's one more time. Enjoy!

The Hungarian language belongs to the Finno-Ugric branch of the Uralic family, but Hungarian speakers have been living in Central Europe for more than 1000 years, surrounded by speakers of unrelated Indo-European languages. In order to study the continuity in maternal lineage between ancient and modern Hungarian populations, polymorphisms in the HVSI and protein coding regions of mitochondrial DNA sequences of 27 ancient samples (10th-11th centuries), 101 modern Hungarian, and 76 modern Hungarian-speaking Sekler samples from Transylvania were analyzed. The data were compared with sequences derived from 57 European and Asian populations, including Finno-Ugric populations, and statistical analyses were performed to investigate their genetic relationships. Only 2 of 27 ancient Hungarian samples are unambiguously Asian: the rest belong to one of the western Eurasian haplogroups, but some Asian affinities, and the genetic effect of populations who came into contact with ancient Hungarians during their migrations are seen. Strong differences appear when the ancient Hungarian samples are analyzed according to apparent social status, as judged by grave goods. Commoners show a predominance of mtDNA haplotypes and haplogroups (H, R, T), common in west Eurasia, while high-status individuals, presumably conquering Hungarians, show a more heterogeneous haplogroup distribution, with haplogroups (N1a, X) which are present at very low frequencies in modern worldwide populations and are absent in recent Hungarian and Sekler populations. Modern Hungarian-speaking populations seem to be specifically European. Our findings demonstrate that significant genetic differences exist between the ancient and recent Hungarian-speaking populations, and no genetic continuity is seen.

Other than that, nice Neo-Nazi video The last 2 minutes are the best You sure know how to argue a case on an international forum

[Scotty89]

Brainwashed olah?!

Did you read the conclusion of that Hungarian genetic study? Here's one more time. Enjoy!

i have read but this is garbage

[Dromikaites]

i have read but this is garbage

Tell that to the Hungarian scientists who made the research

And trust me, using a Magyar Garda video clip is not going to win you any supporters

Here's why:

The Magyar Garda -- "Magyar means "Hungarian" -- has pledged to train its members in the use of firearms and its members wear a uniform of black pants and vests with white shirts, and a cap emblazoned with a medieval coat of arms, the Arpad Stripes. The striped, red and white symbol is a centuries old Hungarian banner, a version of which was used by the Arrow Cross, a pro-Nazi party that briefly ruled Hungary toward the end of World War II. The party murdered thousands of Jews and deported hundreds of thousands more to Nazi death camps.

And of course the most ridicule part of the whole Magyar Garda story is those guys share the same genetic pool with us. Talk about brainwashing

[Carpathian Wolf]

Hey scotty tell your magyar garda buddies that if they want Transilvania, to come get it. Romanian army could use another vacation to Budapest.

HUNGARIAN HISTORIANS WRITE:

András Huszti: "The offspring of the Dacians still live even today and live where their forefathers lived, and speak in a language similar to their forefathers."

István Losontzy writes: “Transylvania, to the East of Hungary, was beforehand called Dacia... the Hungarian kings only ruled this land through Transylvanian voievods.”

Szilagyi Sandor writes: “Transylvania and Hungary were never together, and were always two different countries... as Transylvania always looked to the Orient, due to the fact that the majority of the population was Orthodox Christian, while Hungary always looked Westward.”

Iosif Bánki (1764) writes: “so great is the number of Romanians that they easily outnumber all the other nations of Transylvania combined.”

Gábor Fábián writes in the ethnography of Arad in 1835: “The Romanians are the oldest people here, and if it is true that they are the colonists of Dacia after Trajan’s conquest, then they can be considered as the aboriginals of this comitat”

Theodor Lehoczky writes in 1890: “The regions from Northeastern Salaj were, without a doubt, inhabited by Romanians before the Magyar elements managed to penetrate into this region.”

Mihály Horváth writes “Transylvania was populated by Romanians when the Hungarians first arrived in Pannonia. In Bihor was the dukedom of Menumorut, who had as his subjects Vlachs and Khazars, and in Banat Voievod Glad had an army composed entirely of Romanians. Erdely is led by Gelu at this time as well.”

G. Petrovay in 1911 writes “The Hungarian historical hypothesis in which the Romanians arrived in Transylvania in the 13th century does not logically patch there realities of Bereg and Maramures, because these regions had privileges which a people of pastoralists who immigrated slowly, as strangers and enemies, and were captured in battle; to send a captured enemy to guard your borders and land is complete nonsense.” (in " Szazadok, XLV -1911 , p. 607 -626 )

F. Eckhart writes in Magyaroszág története, Budapest, 1933, pg 21 “We cannot believe that the Hungarians populated the entire Hungarian kingdom. Their numbers... were too small for something like that. The territories which Hungarians occupied matched the territory of Hungary after Trianon”


This is YOUR OWN HISTORIANS throughout history disagreeing with your brain washed, nazi "sumerian etruscan origin" rubbish.

[Dromikaites]

A fan of the Magyar Garda would never use academic sources, scientific studies and so on. Parading in uniform and making Youtube videos is much more appealing to them than reading. Especially since reading might cause them severe identity crises when they find out their ancestors were the despised Olahs or Slovaks.

One needs to be really desperate to "threaten" Romania with images of the "glorious" Hungarian army especially considering its track record versus the Romanian army (Budapest taken twice in 25 years).

[Atterdag]

You were asked once to be polite. As this has deteriorated into the exact opposite this thread will remain closed.