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    Default Sons of the Huns / EuroAsian MOD

    I'm now learn how I must make MOD.

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    Start date & end date : 552 AD - 827 AD



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    Gokturks Khaganate
    Avar Khaganate
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    NEW FACTIONS the Asian Barbarians after HUNS the Childerens of HUNS ::


    Research and debate about the Asian ancestral origins of the Huns has been ongoing since the 18th century. For example philologists still debate to this day which ethnonym from Chinese or Persian sources is identical with the Latin Hunni or the Greek Hounnoi as evidence of the Huns' identity.

    The most recent genetic and ethnogenesis based scholarship shows that many of the great confederations of steppe warriors were not entirely of the same race, but rather tended to be ethnic mixtures of Eurasian clans. In addition, many clans may have claimed to be Huns simply based on the prestige and fame of the name, or it was attributed to them by outsiders describing their common characteristics, believed place of origin, or reputation. Similarly, Greek or Latin chroniclers may have used "Huns" in a more general sense, to describe social or ethnic characteristics, believed place of origin, or reputation. "All we can say safely", says Walter Pohl,"is that the name Huns, in late antiquity, described prestigious ruling groups of steppe warriors". The older views come in the context of the ethnocentric and nationalistic scholarship of past generations, which often presumed that ethnic homogeneity must underlie a socially and culturally homogeneous people. The modern research shows that each of the large confederations of steppe warriors (such as the Scythians, Xiongnu, Huns, Avars, Khazars, Cumans, Mongols, etc.) were not ethnically homogeneous, but rather unions of multiple ethnicities such as Turkic, Yeniseian, Tungusic, Ugric, Iranic, Mongolic and many other peoples.


    The Xiongnu (Turkish: Doğu Hun; Chinese: pinyin: Xiōngnú; Wade-Giles: Hsiung-nu) were a confederation of nomadic tribes from Central Asia with a ruling class of unknown origin and other subjugated tribes. There is still a debate over the accurate order of command among the tribes, some sources say the ruling class was proto-Turkic, some others stand it was proto-Hunnic (see below), but the theories are far from universal acceptance in the academic world (like in the case of their language).

    What is known that the confederation may consisted of proto-Huns, proto-Turkic clans and other nomadic tribes such as the proto-Mongols, and more others (some sources claim the existence of 24 clans), who lived on the steppes north of China. They appear in Chinese sources from the 3rd century BC as controlling an empire (the "Asian Hun Empire" (Turkish: Asya Hun İmparatorluğu) under Modu Shanyu) stretching beyond the borders of modern day Mongolia. They were active in the areas of southern Siberia, western Manchuria and the modern Chinese provinces of Inner Mongolia, Gansu, and Xinjiang. These nomadic people were considered so dangerous that the Qin Dynasty ordered the construction of the Great Wall to protect China from Xiongnu attacks.

    The bulk of information on the Xiongnu comes from Chinese sources. What little is known of their titles and names comes from transliterations of Chinese character phoneticizations of their language. Only about 20 Xiongnu words belonging to the Altaic languages are known, and only a single Xiongnu sentence survives from the Chinese documents. Relations between early Chinese dynasties and the Xiongnu were complicated and included military conflict, exchanges of tribute and trade, and marriage treaties.

    Xiongnu (Hsiung-nu) were led by a chief called shan-yü, whose full title transcribed into Chinese is Ch'eng-li Ku-t'u Shan-yü, words which the Chinese translate as "Majesty Son of Heaven". In these words may be detected Turko-Mongol roots: ch'eng-li in particular is the transcription of the Turkic and Mongol word Tängri, Heaven or God.

    Under the shan-yü served "two great dignitaries, the kings t'u-ch'i": that is to say, the wise kings of the right and left, the Chinese transcription t'u-ch'i being related to the Turkish word doghri, straight, faithful. Insofar as one can speak of fixed dwellings for essentially nomadic people, the shan-yü resided on the upper Orkhon, in the mountainous region where later Karakorum, the capital of the Jengiz-Khanite Mongols, was to be established. The worthy king of the left -in principle, the heir presumptive- lived in the east, probably on the high Kerulen. The worthy king of the right lived in the west, perhaps near present day Uliassutai in the Khangai Mountains. Next, moving down the scale of the Hunnic hierarchy, came the ku-li "kings" of left and right, the army commanders of left and right, the great governors, the tung-hu, the ku-tu-all of left and right; then the chiefs of a thousand men, of a hundred, and of ten men. This nation of nomads, a people on the march, was organized like an army. The general orientation was southward, as was customary among Turko-Mongol peoples; the same phenomenon is to be seen among the descendants of the Hsiung-nu, the Turks of the sixth century A.D., as well as in the case of the Mongols of Jenghiz Khan.

    Touman (Turkish: Teoman, Tuman) was the earliest known Hiungnu (Xiongnu) chanyu, reigning from 220 BC to 209 BC.

    He reformed the Hunnic nomad military system, formed the army unit of 10000 men: Tumen. This later became the base unit of the armies of steppe tribes. During his reign, he united the nomadic tribes living in Mongolia and invaded Northern China.

    With this new military, his son Mao-Tun (Mete Han) could establish the Asian Hun Empire.

    Many Turkish historians consider Teoman to be the founder of the first proto-Turkic state preceding the division of the Huns, the Turks, the Mongols, and other Altaic and Uralic peoples.

    His name's meaning is straight, raw, packed and hard smoke in old Hunnic.

    Modun Shanyu (Baatur, Bator, Baghadur, Bahadır) (born 234 BC) was the founder of the Asian Hun Empire (Xiongnu Empire), in 209 BC. According to Chinese records, the name is Modu. The beginning of his rule is also accepted as the formation of the first systematic nomad army. The years of his rule were 209 BCE to 174 BCE.

    He was a military leader under his father Touman, and later the Shanyu and emperor of the Xiongnu Empire, located in modern day Mongolia. He made many conquests in Central Asia, before Turkic Göktürks,Genghis Khan and the Mongol conquests.

    The word "Baatur" (Batur, Bator) means brave, courageous, in old Hunnic, Mongolian, Turkic languages and Hungarian language. Baghadur (Baghatur): hadur means warlord in Hungarian. So his name approximately could be translated to meaning Brave Warlord.

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    a idea from me to all.
    Gokturks is a NEW FACTION for all Total WAR MODS.
    Get a look about the History of Gokturks ??


    the Gokturks
    The 'Gök Türkler were a Turkic people of ancient Central Asia. Known in medieval Chinese sources as T'u küe (Tūjué), the Gök türkler under the leadership of Bumin Khan (d. 552) and his sons succeeded the Xiongnu as the main Turkic power in the region and took hold of the lucrative Silk Road trade.

    The Gök türk rulers originated from the Ashina tribe, an Altaic people who lived in the northern corner of the area presently called Xinjiang. Under their leadership, the Göktürkler rapidly expanded to rule huge territories in north-western China, North Asia and Eastern Europe (as far west as the Crimea). They were the first Turkic tribe known to use the name "Turk" as a political name.

    The state's most famous personalities other than its founder Bumin were princes Kül Tigin and Bilge and the General Tonyukuk, whose life stories were recorded in the famous Orkhon inscriptions.

    Göktürk Empire split in two after the death of the fourth Qaghan, Taspar Khan (ca. 584). He had willed the title Qaghan to Mukhan's son Talopien, but the high council appointed Ishbara in his stead, Western and Eastern

    The Western Turkic Khaganate was formed as a result of the internecine wars in the beginning of the 7th century (600 – 603 AD) after the Göktürk Khaganate (founded in the 6th century in Northern Mongolia by the Ashina clan) had splintered into two polities – Eastern and Western.

    The Western Turks (also known as the Onoq, or "ten arrows") sought friendly relations with the Byzantine Empire in order to expand their territory at the expense of their mutual enemy, the Sassanid Empire. In 619 the Western Turks invaded Bactria but were repulsed in the course of the Second Perso-Turkic War. During the Third Perso-Turkic War Khagan Tung Yabghu and his nephew Buri-sad joined their forces with Emperor Heraclius and successfully invaded Transcaucasia.

    The khaganate's capitals were Navekat (the summer capital) and Suyab (the principal capital), both situated in the Chui River valley of Kyrgyzstan, to the east from Bishkek. The khaganate was overrun by Chinese forces under Su Dingfang in 658-659.


    Qilibi Khan (d. 645?), personal name Ashina Simo, also known as Li Simo, full regal title Yiminishuqilibi Khan, Tang noble title Prince of Huaihua, was a member of the Eastern Tujue (Göktürk) royal house who was given the title of Khan of Eastern Tujue for several years, as a vassal of the Chinese dynasty Tang Dynasty.

    After Emperor Taizong of Tang conquered Eastern Tujue in 630, he briefly settled the Eastern Tujue people within Tang borders, but after a failed assassination attempt against him by a member of the Eastern Tujue royal house, Ashina Jiesheshuai, in 639, he changed his mind and decided to resettle the Eastern Tujue people between the Great Wall and the Gobi Desert, to serve as a buffer between Tang and Xueyantuo. He created Ashina Simo, a member of Eastern Tujue's royal house as well, as Yiminishuqilibi Khan (or Qilibi Khan for short), and Ashina Simo served as the khan of the recreated Eastern Tujue khanate for several years. However, in 644, faced with constant pressure from Xueyantuo, Ashina Simo's people abandoned him and fled south back to Tang territory. Ashina Simo himself also returned to Tang and served as a Tang general until his death, probably in 645.



    Despite all the setbacks, Ilteriş Şad (Idat) and his brother Bäkçor Qapağan Khan (Mo-ch'o) succeeded in reestablishing the Khanate. In 681 they revolted against Tang Dynasty Chinese domination and, over the following decades, steadily gained control of the steppes beyond the Great Wall of China. By 705, they had expanded as far south as Samarkand and threatened the Arab control of Transoxiana. The Göktürks clashed with the Umayyad Califate in a series of battles (712-713) but, again, the Arabs emerged as victors.

    Following the Ashina tradition, the power of the Second Empire was centered on Ötükän (the upper reaches of the Orkhon River). This polity was described by historians as "the joint enterprise of the Ashina clan and the Soghdians, with large numbers of Chinese bureaucrats being involved as well". The son of Ilteriş, Bilge, was also a strong leader, the one whose deeds were recorded in the Orkhon inscriptions. After his death in 734 the empire declined. The Göktürks ultimately fell victim to a series of internal crises and renewed Chinese campaigns.

    When Kutluk Khan of the Uyghurs allied himself with the Karluks and Basmyls, the power of the Göktürks was very much on the wane. In 744 Kutluk seized Ötükän and beheaded the last Göktürk khagan Özmish Khan, whose head was sent to the Tang Dynasty Chinese court. In a space of few years, the Uyghurs gained mastery of Inner Asia and established the Uyghur Khaganate.



    the Avars
    The Avars were a highly organized and powerful multi-ethnic tribal confederation, with a Turkic core of aristocratic nomads, governed by a central ruler (khagan). They appeared in Central and Eastern Europe in the 6th century. Avar rule persisted over much of the Pannonian plain up to the early 9th century.

    The origin of the European Avars is unclear. Information is derived primarily from the works of Byzantine historians Menander Protector and Theophylact Simocatta. The confusion is compounded by the fact that many clans carried a particular name because they believed it to be prestigious, or it was attributed to them by outsiders describing their common characteristics, believed place of origin or reputation. Such a case has been seen repeatedly for many nomadic confederacies.

    According to the research of historian András Róna-Tas, the Avars formed in central Asia through a fusion of several tribal elements, in the classical age. Rona-Tas suggests that Turkic Oghurs migrated to the Kazakh steppe, possibly moving south to inhabit the lands vacated by the Huns. Here they interacted with a body Indo-European-speaking Iranians – forming the Xionites (Hunas). Sometime during the 460s, they were subordinated by the Mongolic Ruanruan. The Ruanruan imposed their own rulers– referred to as Uar -at the head of the confederacy. Being a highly cultured people, the Ughurs rose to prominence within the tribal confederacy. The 6th century historian Menander Protector noted that the language of the Avars was the same (possibly meaning similar) as that of the Huns. If language is an indicator of origin, this supports the theory that they might have been an Oghuric Turkic people. The connection with the Rouran has prompted some scholars to suggest that the European Avars’ ruling core was Mongolic, although this has been disputed by others.

    Early in the sixth century, the confederacy was conquered by the Gokturk empire (the Gokturks were previously yet another vassal tribal element under Ruanruan supremacy). In his History of the World, Theophylact Simocatta noted that the (Gok)Turks “enslaved the entire Ohgur tribe, which was one of the most powerful, .. and was accomplished in the art of war”. One body of people, perhaps wishing to evade Gokturk rule, escaped and migrated to the northern Caucasus region c. 555 AD. According to Simocatta, their new neighbours believed them to be the true Avars. They established diplomatic contact with the Byzantines, and the other nomadic tribes of the steppes lavished them with gifts. However, the Gokturks later persuaded the Byzantines that these nomads were not the real Avars, but were instead a group of "fugitive Scythians" who had fled from the Gokturks and stolen the prestigious name of Avar. Hence they have subsequebtly called pseudo-Avars (or Eurasian Avars).

    For all the theories, historian Walter Pohl asserted in 1998, instancing the detailed attempts made by H. W. Haussig in 1953 and K. Czeglèdy in 1983 and his own methodological objections:"It is pointless to ask who exactly the forefathers of the European Avars were. We only know that they carried an ancient, very prestigious name (our first hints to it date back to the times of Herodotus); and we may assume that they were a very mixed group of warriors who wanted to escape domination by the Gokturks." If the Avars were ever a distinct ethnic group, that distinction does not seem to have survived their centuries in Europe. Being an 'Avar' seems to have meant being part of the Avar state (in a similar way that being 'Roman' ceased to have any ethnic meaning).What is certain, by the time they arrived in Europe, the Avars were a heterogeneous, polyethnic people. Modern research shows that each of the large confederations of steppe warriors (such as the Scythians, Xiongnu, Huns, Avars, Khazars, Cumans, Mongols, etc.) were not ethnically homogeneous, but rather unions of multiple ethnicities. The skeletons found in European Avar graves show heterogeneity, including some Asiatic features.


    the Khazars
    The Khazars were a semi-nomadic Turkic people who dominated the Pontic steppe and the North Caucasus from the 7th to the 10th century CE. The name 'Khazar' seems to be tied to a Turkic verb form meaning "wandering".

    In the 7th century CE, the Khazars founded an independent Khaganate in the Northern Caucasus along the Caspian Sea. Although the Khazars were initially Tengri shamanists, many of them converted to Christianity, Islam, and other religions. During the eighth or ninth century the state religion became Judaism. At their height, the Khazar khaganate and its tributaries controlled much of what is today southern Russia, western Kazakhstan, eastern Ukraine, Azerbaijan, large portions of the Caucasus (including Circassia, Dagestan, Chechnya, and parts of Georgia), and the Crimea.

    Between 965 and 969, their sovereignty was broken by Sviatoslav I of Kiev, and they became a subject people of Kievan Rus'. Gradually displaced by the Rus, the Kipchaks, and later the conquering Mongol Golden Horde, the Khazars largely disappeared as a culturally-distinct people.


    the Bulgars
    The Dulo Clan or the House of Dulo was the name of the ruling dynasty of the early Bulgars.

    This was the clan of Kubrat who founded the Onogur state of Bulgars and Avars, also known as the Old Great Bulgaria, and his sons Batbayan, Kuber and Asparuh, the latter of which founded Danube Bulgaria.

    A later genealogy claims that the Dulo clan is descended from Attila the Hun. It is also likely that they were somewhat related to the Ashina clan, though it seems that Dulo not only broke off from the royal Ashina clan, but was totally opposed to it, manifesting it not only in opposition to the Khazar Kaganate headed by an Ashina kagan, but also demonstratively not using the name. The Dulo clan name descends from the Dulo (Tele) tribe group, and the Dulo/Ashina opposition was a main cause of the ethnic conflicts that tore apart the Turkic Kaganate, and a little later the Western Turkic Kaganate, bringing about the short-lived independence of the Great Bulgaria, and the emergence of Danube Bulgaria and Rus kaganate in the early 800 CE.







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    sorry it was too much to read. What is the time period?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartansAvenged View Post
    sorry it was too much to read. What is the time period?

    552 AD - 800 AD



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    Instead of making 3 seperate mods make one this one seems good call it something like the "Sons of the Huns" focus on Steppes make map from China to Volga and south be Caucases

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakharar View Post
    Instead of making 3 seperate mods make one this one seems good call it something like the "Sons of the Huns" focus on Steppes make map from China to Volga and south be Caucases


    Yep, But I Think Map From China to Germany or From Central Asia to Spain.

    We need Europe for Avars and Bulgars, Caucasus / Volga for Khazars and Central Asia / Mongolia / China for Gokturks ( after Huns was this 4 Khanates on Steppes.

    BTW: Gokturks is a NEW FACTION for all Total WAR MODS.
    Get a look about the History of Gokturks ??
    and there is never a MOD of this time and about this great History.

    the Göktürks










    Army led by Kül-Tegin Khagan



    Purple ( Western )
    Blue ( Eastern )


    Petroglyph depicting Turks (6th-8th c.).
    H. 205 cm., W. 58-70 cm.
    Munget Khisaa, Aldarkhanu sum, Zavkhan prov.



    Statues purporting to be of Türk ruler Bilgä Qaghan [d. 734] and his wife.
    8th c. Marble. Khashaat (Chöshöö Tsaidam), Arkhangai prov.,Orhon R. valley.



    Sculpted head of Türk military leader Köl Tegin (d. 731), brother of Bilgä Qaghan.
    8th c. Marble, 42 x 21 x 21.5 cm.
    Reproduction of original.
    Khashaat, Arkhangai prov.,Orhon R. valley.
    Pub.: Dschingis Khan, no. 44, pp. 74-75.



    Fragment of sculpted face (of Köl Tegin’s wife?).
    8th c. CE.
    Stone. 20 x 20 x 3.5 cm.
    Reproduction of original.
    Khashaat, Arkhangai prov.,Orhon R. valley.
    Pub.: National Museum, p. 16.



    Reproduction of Bugut inscription, from period of first Türk Empire. Original in Checherleg, Arkhangai prov., brought from Bayu Tsagaan region tombs in plain 15 km. S of Bugut mtn. Includes picture of baby being suckled by a wolf.


    Photograph of the joint Mongolian-Turkish excavation of the Bilgä Qaghan/Köl Tegin memorial site, ca. 2003.
    Khashaat sum, Arkhangai prov.,Orhon R. valley.






    KURSHAD KHAGAN ( GREAT PRINCE of the GOKTURKS )








    Qilibi Khan as Kurshad Khagan ( Prince of Gokturks )

    Qilibi Khan (d. 645?), personal name Ashina Simo, also known as Li Simo, full regal title Yiminishuqilibi Khan, Tang noble title Prince of Huaihua, was a member of the Eastern Tujue (Göktürk) royal house who was given the title of Khan of Eastern Tujue for several years, as a vassal of the Chinese dynasty Tang Dynasty.

    After Emperor Taizong of Tang conquered Eastern Tujue in 630, he briefly settled the Eastern Tujue people within Tang borders, but after a failed assassination attempt against him by a member of the Eastern Tujue royal house, Ashina Jiesheshuai, in 639, he changed his mind and decided to resettle the Eastern Tujue people between the Great Wall and the Gobi Desert, to serve as a buffer between Tang and Xueyantuo. He created Ashina Simo, a member of Eastern Tujue's royal house as well, as Yiminishuqilibi Khan (or Qilibi Khan for short), and Ashina Simo served as the khan of the recreated Eastern Tujue khanate for several years. However, in 644, faced with constant pressure from Xueyantuo, Ashina Simo's people abandoned him and fled south back to Tang territory. Ashina Simo himself also returned to Tang and served as a Tang general until his death, probably in 645.


    During the reigns of Ashina Duojishi, Ashina Silifu, and Ashina Duobi

    It is not known when Ashina Simo was born. What is known is that he was of the same royal Ashina clan as the khans of Tujue, and was one generation senior of the Shibi Khan Ashina Duojishi, the Chuluo Khan Ashina Silifu, and the Jiali Khan Ashina Duobi, who were brothers to each other and who successively served as khans. Despite Ashina Simo's royal lineage, it was said that on account of his appearance, which appeared more Xiongnu-like than Tujue, Ashina Duojishi and Ashina Chuluo both suspected him of being born out of an adulterous relationship, and therefore did not entrust him with great authorities. Throughout their reigns, he thus only carried the title of Jiabi Tele (Duke), and could not be a general. In 624, during a dispute that Eastern Tujue had with China's Tang Dynasty, which was then a vassal of Eastern Tujue, as part of the negotiations, Ashina Duobi sent Ashina Simo to meet with Emperor Gaozu of Tang, and Emperor Gaozu honored Ashina Simo with the title of Prince of Heshun.

    Late in Ashina Duobi's reign, with Tang strengthening and Eastern Tujue weakening due to internal problems, many of Eastern Tujue tribes surrendered to Tang, and while apparently Tang made overtures to Ashina Simo, Ashina Simo remained faithful to Ashina Duobi. His faithfulness to Ashina Duobi continued even after Emperor Gaozu's son Emperor Taizong launched a major attack commanded by the general Li Jing in 629 - such that when Tang forces captured Ashina Duobi in 630, Ashina Simo remained with him and was captured with him. Emperor Taizong was impressed with Ashina Simo's faithfulness and made him a general and a commandant, in command of the people formerly directly under Ashina Duobi. He also created Ashina Simo the Prince of Huaihua.


    As khan

    Emperor Taizong initially settled the Eastern Tujue people within Tang borders, but after a failed assassination attempt against him by Ashina Duojishi's son Ashina Jiesheshuai in 639, he changed his mind. On August 13, 639, he created Ashina Simo (who was by this point also given the imperial clan surname Li and therefore also known as Li Simo) as the Yiminishuqilibi Khan (or Qilibi Khan for short) and ordered the settled Tujue and Xiongnu people to follow Ashina Simo north of the Yellow River to settle between the Great Wall and the Gobi Desert. The Tujue people, fearful of Xueyantuo - a former Eastern Tujue vassal that had become powerful and taken over Eastern Tujue's former territory - initially refused. Emperor Taizong thereafter issued an edict to Xueyantuo's Zhenzhu Khan, Yi'nan, delivered by his official Guo Siben, ordering Xueyantuo not to attack the newly reestablished Eastern Tujue. Yi'nan, while displeased at the development, initially agreed. Emperor Taizong then carried out a formal creation ceremony for Ashina Simo, presided by the great general Li Xiaogong, and also held an imperial feast in Ashina Simo's honor. He created the Eastern Tujue princes Ashina Zhong and Ashina Nishou as Ashina Simo's assistants.

    In spring 641, Ashina Simo's people finally crossed the Yellow River, and he established his headquarters at Dingxiang (in modern Hohhot, Inner Mongolia). He was said to have 30,000 households, 40,000 troops, and 90,000 warhorses. He submitted a petition to Emperor Taizong, stating:

    I have received blessings that I did not deserve, and I lead this tribe as its chief. I hope that for generations, we will continue to serve as a watchdog outside the empire's north door, guarding it. But we are still currently weak, and if Xueyantuo should attack us, we might not be able to stand. If that happens, I request permission to withdraw within the Great Wall.

    Emperor Taizong agreed. In winter 641, indeed, with Yi'nan anticipating that Emperor Taizong would soon be offering sacrifices to heaven and earth at Mount Tai and would take his soldiers with him, he believed that he could destroy Ashina Simo quickly. He therefore had his son Dadu to head Xueyantuo troops, along with conscripted troops from vassal tribes Tongluo, Pugu, Huige, Mohe, and Xi, launch a major attack on Eastern Tujue. Ashina Simo could not resist the attack, and withdrew within the Great Wall to Shuo Prefecture (roughly modern Shuozhou, Shanxi) and sought emergency aid. Emperor Taizong sent the generals Zhang Jian, Li Shiji, Li Daliang, Zhang Shigui, and Li Xiyu, to attack Xueyantuo to assist Ashina Simo, with Li Shiji in overall command. Around the new year 642, Li Shiji dealt a major defeat to Dadu, who fled after heavy casualties. Emperor Taizong, while sending an emissary to rebuke Yi'nan, did not take further actions from Xueyantuo at this point. It was said that Yi'nan continued to be unhappy with Eastern Tujue's existence, and continued to harass Eastern Tujue. (Yi'nan, however, tried to maintain peaceful relations with Tang, and at one point was engaged to marry Emperor Taizong's daughter Princess Xinxing, but Emperor Taizong regretted the marriage agreement and broke it in 643 under the pretense that Yi'nan's offer of bride price (with livestock) was not paid for on time.) When Emperor Taizong sent further emissaries to order Yi'nan from attacking Eastern Tujue, Yi'nan's response was:

    How do I not dare to follow the emperor's edict? But the Tujue people are treacherous and should not be trusted. Before the destruction of their state, they invaded China each year and continued to kill thousands of people. I thought that, after the emperor defeated them, he would make them into slaves and reward them to the Chinese people, but instead the emperor raised them like his own sons and showed much grace to them. Despite this, Ashina Jiesheshuai rebelled. They look like humans, but have hearts like beasts, and should not be treated as humans. I have received much grace from the emperor, and I have nothing to repay him for. I am willing to kill the Tujue for China.

    Around the new year 645, Ashina Simo's people, apparently under the Xueyantuo pressure, collapsed and abandoned Ashina Simo. (At this time, Emperor Taizong was deep in his preparation to attack Goguryeo, and therefore, if Xueyantuo had attacked, might not have been able to protect Eastern Tujue.) They crossed the Yellow River south, seeking to be settled among Sheng (also in modern Hohhot, but south of the Yellow River) and Xia (roughly modern Yulin, Shaanxi) Prefectures. Despite officials' opposition, Emperor Taizong agreed, and did so. Ashina Simo, with his reconstituted state in shambles, also returned to China, and was again made a Tang general, ending Tang's attempt to recreate Eastern Tujue as a vassal.


    After return to Tang

    Emperor Taizong soon launched a major attack on Goguryeo, and Ashina Simo followed Emperor Taizong on the campaign. During one of the battles, Ashina Simo was injured by an arrow, and it was said that Emperor Taizong personally sucked the pus out of his wound, which greatly inspired the soldiers. It was said that after Ashina Simo returned to the Tang capital Chang'an (implying that this is after the end of the campaign in fall 645), he died. He was buried with great honors near the tomb of Emperor Taizong's wife Empress Zhangsun, where Emperor Taizong would eventually be buried himself as well.


    The Book of Tang and the New Book of Tang indicated that Ashina Simo died shortly after returning from Emperor Taizong's campaign against Goguryeo, which ended in 645, but did not explicitly state that he died that year. See Book of Tang, vol. 194, part 1 and New Book of Tang, vol. 140, part 1.



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    Hmm, I recently finished reading Lev Gumilev's "The ancient Turks, the Great Turkic kaganate", so it would be interesting to see how this idea develops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikeBG View Post
    Hmm, I recently finished reading Lev Gumilev's "The ancient Turks, the Great Turkic kaganate", so it would be interesting to see how this idea develops.

    Thank You.. Brother, But I can Only Researching. So I need a big help by this MOD



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    the Göktürks ( Gokturks, Kokturks, Köktürks ) MUSIC by Kazaks group Kerwen ( Kerulen ).


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    You really need to learn how to mod Boztorgai Khan

    A few of your ideas look interesting, but if you just keep posting research and maintaining that you have no modding talent and need a lot of help, none of them are going to go anywhere. Take the time to go learn mapping at least, and coding -or- skinning, and you'll have a chance that one of your mod ideas may eventually come to fruition. Talented modders don't just jump on the bandwagon of someone who can't carry any of the workload, so as nice as they might sound to you or I in theory, nothing will come of them without effort to mod them yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Augustus Lucifer View Post
    You really need to learn how to mod Boztorgai Khan

    A few of your ideas look interesting, but if you just keep posting research and maintaining that you have no modding talent and need a lot of help, none of them are going to go anywhere. Take the time to go learn mapping at least, and coding -or- skinning, and you'll have a chance that one of your mod ideas may eventually come to fruition. Talented modders don't just jump on the bandwagon of someone who can't carry any of the workload, so as nice as they might sound to you or I in theory, nothing will come of them without effort to mod them yourself.

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    Right. Okay then I do that. Thank You..
    Okay

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    love huns!
    "WE WILL SMITE THE INVADERS FROM OUR SKIES! Though they sweep over our lands like the sands of winter, never again will we bow before them; never again endure their oppression; never again endure their tyranny. We will strike without warning and without mercy, fighting as one hand, one heart, one soul. We will shatter their dreams and haunt their nightmares, drenching our ancestors' graves with their blood. And as our last breath tears at their lungs; as we rise again from the ruins of our cities...they will know: Helghan belongs to the Helghast." -Scholar Visari

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight of virtue and valor View Post
    love huns!

    me too but this time is the time of the sons of the Huns ::


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    same sort of horse riding kick but scourges of god though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by knight of virtue and valor View Post
    same sort of horse riding kick but scourges of god though!

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    MAP :: YOU WANT ???



    MAP 1




    MAP 2




    MAP3



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    Map 1 please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artorius Maximus View Post
    Map 1 please!

    Thank You.. That is 1 for Map 1

    BTW: I want too MORE FACTIONS



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    Map 1 looks like it might be a little too big. Not because bigmaps are bad but because the M2TW doesn't look like it would be able to support it. The map_heights files must not be over 1021 by 1021. Any map smaller than that must have a regions map that is (L-1)/2 and (W-1)/2. The first map would allso add a huge workload to someone do to the sheer amount of work it would take getting accurate factions, skins models, and also balancing the placement and amount of regions in an area. Remember if it is not something you would not do yourself, do not ask of it from otheers. That being said it would be best for you to add map 3 because it gives a more focused approach to the mod while also lowering the workload, increasing the chances that this mod will survive. Map 2 would be fine if it didn't include western europe. I say this because those areas of Europe were not focal points of the hun invansions and seeeing how that is the case, western Europe should not be included in the mod. Hopeyou understand my reasoning and now to fade back into the shadows. Cheers!

    This is a conversation about being too ambitious with mods, by the way

    Exactly. If this is anything like EB, it will treat all factions in enough depth to make every single one very enjoyable. And I think the team will do this. . .
    Remember that EB achieved that over many years and versions, with a much bigger team than ours (who no doubt had more time on their hands). I wouldn't expect to see the same amount of depth, at least not in the first release. At present we haven't even got anyone creating units, and haven't had for some time.
    Of course. That mod has been around for eons and has a army of nearly full time contributers, and in my opinion is the greatest released mod of any Total War game ever. As we fans are not the ones making this mod, we should all be happy no matter what. Beggers can't be choosers, unless they pick up some modding skills and pitch in.
    At the same time, shooting for the stars and landing in the mountains is better than shooting for the mountains and landing in the foothills. . .
    In modding, if you shoot for the stars the gun explodes in your hands
    This conversation came from the frontier expanded america's thread. Here is the link if you want to read the conversation.

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=165460&page=5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saile1230 View Post
    Map 1 looks like it might be a little too big. Not because bigmaps are bad but because the M2TW doesn't look like it would be able to support it. The map_heights files must not be over 1021 by 1021. Any map smaller than that must have a regions map that is (L-1)/2 and (W-2)/2. The first map would allso add a huge workload to someone do to the sheer amount of work it would take getting accurate factions, skins models, and also balancing the placement and amount of regions in an area. Remember if it is not something you would not do yourself, do not ask of it from otheers. That being said it would be best for you to add map 3 because it gives a more focused approach to the mod while also lowering the workload, increasing the chances that this mod will survive. Map 2 would be fine if it didn't include western europe. I say this because those areas of Europe were not focal points of the hun invansions and seeeing how that is the case, western Europe should not be included in the mod. Hopeyou understand my reasoning and now to fade back into the shadows. Cheers!

    This is a conversation about being too ambitious with mods, by the way



    This conversation came from the frontier expanded america's thread. Here is the link if you want to read the conversation.

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=165460&page=5


    Yeah Right.
    Maybe Map 2 or Map 3 is better then Map 1
    Map 1 need more time more work.
    good point brother, I want then Map 2 or Map 3
    2 or 3 :hmmm:



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    MAP :: YOU WANT ???



    MAP 2




    MAP 3
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