Dog Dies During Speeding Ticket

[Rich86]

You're using your negative experiences of people to say that all people are bad - and so basically them - you're sticking with pets.

Just because you have had a bad experience of other human beings that doesn't make you right in saying you prioritise your pets life over that of say, a human child.

You say "oh my cat is good" "my cat is nice" "my cat is honest" - it's because you feed your cat. Stop feeding your cat - see how long it is nice and honest and lovely for - see how long till it just s off and finds a new home. I have cats myself - cats are nice and happy because you're feeding them - if I fell on hard times they'd off.

Seems like your mistrust of humanity means your missing out on life - you're putting the feelings you should be feeling for other people (ilke say - hmm i dunno - your girlfriend!?) into animals - because you know there's no chance they will hurt you. It's like that saying - the walls you build up to defend you will also contain you.


It's your life - your call if you want to let it erode second by second loving what is effectively a fairly stupid animal that is loyal not because it particularly likes you - but because you feed it.

[Belphegor]

I seriously don't think that it is right to question someones social or personal life, jut because they have strong bond to their pet.
The relationship between you and your pet is much more different then to that between you and another human as it is based on a different principles, has different goals and your communication with the pet and vice versa, is different to that to another person.

To claim, that it is just a dog, or just an animal is in my oppinion a quite sick view. Anthropocentrism, is incredibly dangerous, and has caused the exticntion of whole species and to the deformation of our own enviroment. To say that the life of a person is more valuable just, because they are human, is perverse in a way. The human race does not own this planet, thanks to some "mandate of heaven" and nature are not our playthings, objects or property. And it is sick that they are treated that way...

[the_mango55]

But you would put their lives at risk?

If you're talking about going 100mph in the late night/early morning when there's barely anyone else on the road, then yes.

Nobody is advocating that. Talking on the phone also does not involve you driving at 100MPH.

But it IS more dangerous than simply driving while fully paying attention. Therefore you are putting other lives at risk when you talk on the phone.

Or look at a map.

or search for a CD.

[Rich86]

If you're talking about going 100mph in the late night/early morning when there's barely anyone else on the road, then yes.

So you would put their lives at risk? "Barely anyone" - so you would put those people who are unfortunate enough to be driving when you are at risk? That's all I wanted to know.

But it IS more dangerous.

And still, I am not (and I dont think anyone else is) advocating that. I am not disagreeing that talking on the phone is more dangerous than not.

Or look at a map.

I am not advocating that.

or search for a CD.

I am not advocating that.

[André Masséna]

If you're talking about going 100mph in the late night/early morning when there's barely anyone else on the road, then yes.

Yet the speed limit is enforced no matter what the time of day is, nor how many people may be on the road. It's the Law and if anyone has a problem with it, talk to the State Senate about it.

[cottontail]

[QUOTE]

If you're talking about going 100mph in the late night/early morning when there's barely anyone else on the road, then yes.

Driving at 100 mph is never okay! You could probably end up killing people as well as the dog. Speed limits are there for a reason: so no one gets hurt or killed. This whole problem could have been averted if they had just driven at the speed limit. They could have probably saved the dog too!

[LegionnaireX]

What if someone is harming your pet? I'd know what I would do

That is a whole different scenario. Animal cruelty is a crime, I believe. Of course I would try to stop somebody from harming my pet, but I certainly wouldn't go to the point of killing them. That is called murder.

Really, What If I tell you that 20.000 of that was lent to my mother and 9800 to one of her friends who owns a store, and to who's son I used to be friends.

Is it that naive to lend money to your mother and a personal friend of hers?

:hmmm: In that case the words "incredibly unlucky" come to mind. Your mother scammed you?

You are crazy. not so long ago in this country a guy got stabbed to death for not giving this other guy a cigarette. Last month a guy was beaten in a coma because this group of kidds thought it would be fun to beat someone up

So? Crime is a part of life. As I said there are good and bad people in the world. For every crime that is committed there are people doing good deeds. I think you need to look more on the bright side of life.

Where I live happy slapping is popular again (you know, one guy films some random guy and the friends of the guy filming, suddenly jump the random guy and beat him up all for fun.)

When I was 17 2 girls at my boarding school, just for the fun of it, pressed rape and sexual harassement charges against me. I lived I solated a whole year, couldn't go anywhere, then during the police investigation the truth came out, but nobody apologised to me, even tough before apologies where demanded from me for things I didn't do.

I live a few metres away from a prison I'm in second chance education,

You must live in a really rough neighborhood. Maybe its time you moved out.

believe me pets are a lot more reliable and pure then any human can ever be

I'll concede that pets are innocent and reliable. But that doesn't mean that they deserve life over human beings.

Bleh who isn't a thief. Last week a friend brought another friend to my place, he seemed like a friendly nice guy, and then he suddenly started eplaining how he did a car jacking once, and used to steal like crazy in his old city

It sounds to me like you associate yourself with the wrong people. Most people are not bank robbers or car jackers. If you find yourself in an area where most people are, you need to get out.

sure there is good, some of my familly members are great people, and some of my friends too. But I still trust my cat more because at least his motivations for everything he does are clear



That is an example of how strong love can be, Have you ever seen a familly man? If you touch his wife or children, the guy turns into a beast! Some, people feel that kind of affection for their pet, I probably couldn't go as far as to kill a baby, I'm not without heart, but I'd storm any grown up with my gladius if he or she harmed my cat

sure there is good, some of my familly members are great people, and some of my friends too. But I still trust my cat more because at least his motivations for everything he does are clear

Look. Cats don't do anything but eat, sleep and poop. Of course their "intentions are clear"

That is an example of how strong love can be, Have you ever seen a familly man? If you touch his wife or children, the guy turns into a beast! Some, people feel that kind of affection for their pet,

There is simply no comparison between a father and his children and a owner and his pet.

I believe that all life is valuable, both animal and man. But if it were to come down to a person or a pet: the choice is obvious.

And you still live in a fairy tale where everything is just fine and dandy and bad things never happen

Look man, I've had to deal with some in my life. My parent's divorce, depression, etc. But I still recognize the good in the world.

You are nihilistic. Go join a church or see a counselor. It will help you.

[finsternis]

No I don't agree with that. I value the lives of everyone living in Tokyo more than my girlfriend (or at least I like to think I do.) Although I love my cat, I would never kill someone to save her.

If someone asks me to kill a stranger to save my cat, and I choose not to, what other way is there to interpret that than I value the life of a stranger more than my cat?

Then you truly love the human race more than your girlfriend and your cat (like me). That simple. That is not the case for some people.

Then what is the issue?

You know, I kind of lost track

Ok, let me just resume.

I personally think that he was irresponsible for going at such a speed. I, however, think that the policeman was very rude and stupid for saying that and not doing anything (if I loved a pet like that I wouldn't like that to happen to me or a friend of mine).

Now, about it "just being a dog". I do not think that humans are more important. I do love the human species more than other species (because of my biology and because we can do great things) however if I loved another animal more than a human, then I would love that animal more that a human (I see nothing wrong with that).

There are some people that love their pets just like they would love a wife (hopefully it stays in love level and does not go to lust level). I see nothing wrong with these people either (love should not be something that is bond to a species). I, however, find that a species is more important than any single individual (be it human or not) so I would kill a person to save, lets say, everyone in a country. I would also, however, kill someone to save, lets say, 30% of the dog species.

So in conclusion, I do not think that humans are the most important creatures in the planet (most powerful, yes). I think that it was irresponsible of the guy to go so fast, but I understand him. I am not surprise that he did it and I cannot blame him for it (so it was good that the ticket was canceled). In desperate situation people do desperate things.

Most of us do not understand how a person can love a non-human creature like that, so what, that does not mean that it is wrong.

[Noremac]

This thread has gone crazy!!!!!
I mean really.

[André Masséna]

This thread has gone crazy!!!!!
I mean really.

and all over a ing dog.

[danzig]

If the cop hadnt tossed in the comment about another dog I think he would have been perfectly right in how he handled it. The guy with the dog needed to remain calm, someone speeding at 100mph gets out of the car acting like a maniac...the cop has no way of knowing he wasnt just some drunk/high basketcase driving insanely fast.

[Oswald von Wolkenstein]

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[ajm317]

Then you truly love the human race more than your girlfriend and your cat (like me). That simple. That is not the case for some people.

Your definition of love is different than mine.

I do not "love" the human race more than my girlfriend. On a purely emotionally level I will choose my girlfriend everytime, it is because of my capacity for rational thought though that I realize that choice is wrong. Because of this capacity for reason I will feel guilt if millions of people die, I will feel sorrow if my girlfriend dies.

Incidently, this is one of the differences between me and a dog.

Now, about it "just being a dog". I do not think that humans are more important. I do love the human species more than other species (because of my biology and because we can do great things) however if I loved another animal more than a human, then I would love that animal more that a human (I see nothing wrong with that).

There are some people that love their pets just like they would love a wife (hopefully it stays in love level and does not go to lust level). I see nothing wrong with these people either (love should not be something that is bond to a species). I, however, find that a species is more important than any single individual (be it human or not) so I would kill a person to save, lets say, everyone in a country. I would also, however, kill someone to save, lets say, 30% of the dog species.

So in conclusion, I do not think that humans are the most important creatures in the planet (most powerful, yes). I think that it was irresponsible of the guy to go so fast, but I understand him. I am not surprise that he did it and I cannot blame him for it (so it was good that the ticket was canceled). In desperate situation people do desperate things.

Most of us do not understand how a person can love a non-human creature like that, so what, that does not mean that it is wrong.

It is morally irresponsible to value your pet dog over the life of another human being regardless of how much you may love it. Dogs are not capable of abstract thought or reason. They are loving companions yes, but they are not as important as people. A dog will never be able to call 911 if you are hurt, he'll never be able to vote in the local election, and as much as you may love that dog, there are doubtless several people who love that human just as much. Typical humans form more social bonds with more people than dogs typically do.

Ignoring all that because you happen to love your pet dog Fido is selfish, disgustingly so. Given the choice between your dog and a total stranger you may prefer your dog, but what about the strangers mother? Wife? Children? Friends? What are you to tell them? Sorry, I prefer my dog?

I am sorry, valuing a dog over a human IS wrong.

[finsternis]

Your definition of love is different than mine.

I do not "love" the human race more than my girlfriend. On a purely emotionally level I will choose my girlfriend everytime, it is because of my capacity for rational thought though that I realize that choice is wrong. Because of this capacity for reason I will feel guilt if millions of people die, I will feel sorrow if my girlfriend dies.

Is there a concrete definition of love?

But I see your point.

It is morally irresponsible to value your pet dog over the life of another human being regardless of how much you may love it. Dogs are not capable of abstract thought or reason. They are loving companions yes, but they are not as important as people. A dog will never be able to call 911 if you are hurt, he'll never be able to vote in the local election, and as much as you may love that dog, there are doubtless several people who love that human just as much. Typical humans form more social bonds with more people than dogs typically do.

I agree that a do cannot call 911, but not help you? Haven't there been stories of dogs putting their life in danger (and somethings even dying) to save their masters? And the fact that they cannot do abstract thought makes them less important? I think we need an definition of important.

Ignoring all that because you happen to love your pet dog Fido is selfish, disgustingly so. Given the choice between your dog and a total stranger you may prefer your dog, but what about the strangers mother? Wife? Children? Friends? What are you to tell them? Sorry, I prefer my dog?

Ignoring all because you love your wife is the same. Ignoring an stranger for your pet, well I would understand if someone chose their pet, but would also understand if someone chose the stranger.

I would choose the stranger (simply because I am a humans and I do not like animals that much) but i feel that if we were the dogs living in the human society we would say among ourselves "a dog is more important than a human. Humans have knowledge and all but knowledge makes them miserable and destructive".

So I will need a definition of important before I can say that humans are more important.

[ajm317]

I agree that a do cannot call 911, but not help you? Haven't there been stories of dogs putting their life in danger (and somethings even dying) to save their masters?

Sure, but the dog can't call 911. A human can. And although there maybe stories of dogs putting their lives in danger to save their owners, there are also stories of soldiers jumping on grenades etc.

The dog may have the will, but the human may also have that will, along with a greater capacity to act on it.

And the fact that they cannot do abstract thought makes them less important? I think we need an definition of important.

Yes I would say that a capacity for abstract thought DOES make you more important. Would you value an insect over a human? Or an insect over a dog? Why not? Why do you think people are more concerned about whales and dolphins than tuna fish?

I personally find the notion of extinguishing the life of a being capable of abstract thought far more depressing than the death of a dog or a cat.

Sure you could come up with your own moral system where a dog is equal to a human, but most people don't believe that. It is a common feature of most humans that we value human life more than animal life.

I would also ask, if a dog is equal to a human, why not a pig? Or a celery stick? If things like the capacity for reason are not important to you, what is?

Ignoring all because you love your wife is the same.

No it's really not. Unlike the dog, your wife is a human. She likely has a mother, a father, possibly children, friends. Unlike the dog she is capable of comprehending her situation. She can think and reason, she contributes to society.

i feel that if we were the dogs living in the human society we would say among ourselves "a dog is more important than a human. Humans have knowledge and all but knowledge makes them miserable and destructive".

No, we wouldn't, because we would be dogs and thus not capable of abstract thought. We wouldn't have language, could not form sentences and could not speculate on the effects of intelligence on the human condition.

This is the difference between us and them. We are capable of having this discussion, they are not.

[finsternis]

You make a really good argument. Don't think I can actually fight you back.
So you call important someone who contribute to the society. Then humans are more important (expect for criminals. Then a dog is more important). But again, I do not think I can fight back but i still think that the fact that we are humans is greatly affecting us in this situation.

[Portuguese Rebel]

i still think that the fact that we are humans is greatly affecting us in this situation.

I lawled at that...
But i think people are losing perspective here. The problem was not that the cop stopped them. He was absolutely right in that. But the thing is he then took 20 minutes to wirte up a ticket and so claiming the title of "complete dick".

The guys were speeding. Fine, but after he realized what was going on couldn't he just write up the ticket and perhaps aid them? Here is a notion, how about escorting these people to the vet? This way he could be sure that they would not brake the law and perhaps save the dog?

And if you are going to tell me that he shouldn't waste resources in thisand that there are REAL criminals out there, then i must say that all of that didn't stop him from wasting 20 minutes with a non-issue like a speeding ticket, so time he had to waste.

In fact, in my mind, he took that long in purpose to demonstrate who's boss. And by doing so he basically condemned the dog to death. I would even consider to sue him for animal cruelty.

[Rich86]

In fact, in my mind, he took that long in purpose to demonstrate who's boss.

The problem is - this is all assumption - we do not know his reason for taking 20 mins. There may have been a valid reason that we are not aware of.

[Portuguese Rebel]

The problem is - this is all assumption - we do not know his reason for taking 20 mins. There may have been a valid reason that we are not aware of.

Hmmm OK, but the description of the situation by the couple doesn't mention any abnormal situation that could justify that. Plus, give the situation how could he not hurry up a bit?

[Markas]

Hmmm OK, but the description of the situation by the couple doesn't mention any abnormal situation that could justify that. Plus, give the situation how could he not hurry up a bit?

Jeez look at the video. The guy was hysterical, babbling, and handing over the wrong documents when the cop asked him to give him his driver's licence, the cop probably thought he was on drugs or something (I know I would). If you're driving at 100mph whilst using the phone and hysterical you are NOT in a fit state to drive, and need to calm down.

I support the cop 100% in this.