80 Triarii per unit?

[marcius2000]

sorry - but I'm not sure if this is about reality. We got in game super extra spartan units and greek units. Of course - Spartans were famous about their abilities but it was decades ago. Now we have situation that roman army is one of worse in the region.

Cartaginians have their super sacred bands. Greeks have their great Spartians and other units. Parthians have their super cavalry...

And Rome got only triarii with value 80 per unit?

I suppose that 120 would be much more better. i don't see any reason why Romans are so much worse than Carthaginians, Macedonians and Greek

[mcantu]

the unit size of triarii was half of other units. also, the triarii were not elite units, just veterans...

[dharos]

they are only worse than other units of other countries if you do not know how to use and deploy roman troops properly... i've never had a problem winning even an autoresolve battle with triarii, hastati, and principes. besides, compared to other factions, the high morale value of roman troops usually outstrips other nations. romans don't need "elite" troops to win, just decent generalship.

[LeoDowner]

I think a well equipped and experienced unit of Principes are strong enough to be classed as 'elite'. I have Principes with one silver chevron of experience with upgraded weapons and armour with 16 attack and 37 defense. Coupled with the awesome morale bonus and two Pila they are a match for some nations elite units. Maybe not Spartans but then they cost a lot more so you don't see as many on the battlefield. It all evens out one way or another.

[marcius2000]

I think a well equipped and experienced unit of Principes are strong enough to be classed as 'elite'. I have Principes with one silver chevron of experience with upgraded weapons and armour with 16 attack and 37 defense. Coupled with the awesome morale bonus and two Pila they are a match for some nations elite units. Maybe not Spartans but then they cost a lot more so you don't see as many on the battlefield. It all evens out one way or another.

That's what I'm saying about. Principes are almost better then Triarii. So Triari lost their suprerior status because of small number. I think that it should be changed. Principes got very high stats + 2 pilas. So they are better against elephants (they could defeat elephants) and small-range units.

Triari should be given more soldiers, because now it's without any sense

[Jamey]

Triari should be given more soldiers, because now it's without any sense

Actually, this was done to reflect the historical state of Roman armies of this era. There were fewer Triarii than Principes or Hastati. There are two options - recommending 1 Triarii unit per legion (which means you can't group the Triarii as their own group) or making the Triarii smaller and recommending 2 per legion. The second option was selected.

The beautiful thing about a moddable game is that if you don't like that choice, you're free to change it in your own installation. The file you need is:
<Your RTW Install Dir>\ExRM\Data\export_descr_unit.txt

Find this unit:

type roman triarii
dictionary       rtr_roman_triarii
category         infantry
class            spearmen
voice_type       Medium_1
soldier          roman_triarii, 20, 0, 1
officer          roman_early_centurion
officer          roman_early_standard
attributes       sea_faring,hide_forest,command,can_sap
formation        1, 1, 2, 2, 4,square
stat_health      1, 5
stat_pri         11, 7, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 , 0.4
stat_pri_attr    light_spear, short_pike
stat_sec         0, 7, no, 0, 0, no, no, no, none, 25 , 1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  9, 17, 8, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 1, flesh
stat_heat        5
stat_ground      -4, 0, -8, 0
stat_mental      19, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 650, 345, 39, 42, 450
ownership        romans_julii

Change the red boldfaced number from 20-40.

I recommend you make a backup copy before editing the EDU file as making a mistake could result in CTDs.