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    Default New thermopylae during Greek war of independace 1821 A.D?

    I found a battle in wikipedia with unbelievable numbers. take a look:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gravia

    i think empires should also have in an expansion or something the Greek war of independance since it resembles much the American war of independance

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_of_Independence

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    There were only 400 casualties in the battle of Gravia compaired to thousands in Thermopylae.
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    Default Re: New thermopylae during Greek war of independace 1821 A.D?

    Yeah, I'll go for Thermopylae any day.

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    At least it's a battle the TW engine could simulate in a 1to1 ratio.

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    Default Re: New thermopylae during Greek war of independace 1821 A.D?

    Quote Originally Posted by GiorgioIII View Post
    I found a battle in wikipedia with unbelievable numbers. take a look:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gravia

    i think empires should also have in an expansion or something the Greek war of independance since it resembles much the American war of independance

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_of_Independence
    I am planning such a mod.
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    Default Re: New thermopylae during Greek war of independace 1821 A.D?

    if that battle is going to be covered, then Albanians should be included. or Bosnians.

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    Greece should really be one of the starting factions !
    (As well as Moldavia, Albania and the Maldives !)
    Come on ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali G View Post
    if that battle is going to be covered, then Albanians should be included. or Bosnians.
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali G View Post
    if that battle is going to be covered, then Albanians should be included. or Bosnians.
    No they shouldn't! they didn't exist as countries back than! the Ottomans only sometimes recruited them and regarded them as regular units of their army!
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    You know what, I'm going to be realistic and say that this is very, very unlikely.. Outside of Greece and the surrounding countries I highly doubt anyone would care in the slightest (I know that I absolutely do not care)..

    Empire: TW and its expansion packs will deal with major powers, major events and major wars. The Greek War of Independence and the countries involved don't really fit in any of those categories (and yes, I'm aware of the European powers and their involvement).

    If there will be an expansion pack, it'll probably deal with the American Civil War (if they're willing to extend the timeline that far) or any other major wars or campaigns in the 1700-1800 timeline (or maybe they would even dare to go back a little into the 17th century)..

    But no, the Greek War of Independence is something I really wouldn't count on..
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    and then Greeks and Belgians will aly and conquer the world!!!!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by jarnomiedema View Post
    You know what, I'm going to be realistic and say that this is very, very unlikely.. Outside of Greece and the surrounding countries I highly doubt anyone would care in the slightest (I know that I absolutely do not care)..

    Empire: TW and its expansion packs will deal with major powers, major events and major wars. The Greek War of Independence and the countries involved don't really fit in any of those categories (and yes, I'm aware of the European powers and their involvement).

    If there will be an expansion pack, it'll probably deal with the American Civil War (if they're willing to extend the timeline that far) or any other major wars or campaigns in the 1700-1800 timeline (or maybe they would even dare to go back a little into the 17th century)..

    But no, the Greek War of Independence is something I really wouldn't count on..
    It saddens me that some people ignore such a great part of global history as the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and the rise of nationalism in the balkans...
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    I think the history of Greek Independence is interesting, but it's not on my priority list of games to play.

    But Bosnia and Albania in the 1700s? Man, I can't wait!
    Bosnia/Albania Total War! That's going to rock big socks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jarnomiedema View Post
    If there will be an expansion pack, it'll probably deal with the American Civil War (if they're willing to extend the timeline that far) or any other major wars or campaigns in the 1700-1800 timeline (or maybe they would even dare to go back a little into the 17th century)..
    Gods, please no. An expansion pack where the campaign features only two factions would be terribly boring to play, which CA already proved with Shogun's Monogl Invasion. (As it is, I'm still dismayed that they're featuring a separate American Independence campaign.) For them to do our Civil War as well would be a mistake.


    Quote Originally Posted by jarnomiedema View Post
    But no, the Greek War of Independence is something I really wouldn't count on..
    Agreed. While as a person I can appreciate the significance of the decline & collapse of the Ottoman Empire (and the Greeks gaining their independence from them), as a gamer I would not be interested in playing such a campaign -- and I suspect this holds true for most TW players as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosLondon View Post
    But Bosnia and Albania in the 1700s? Man, I can't wait!
    Bosnia/Albania Total War! That's going to rock big socks!
    I'll toast a glass of orme and a kabuni for that day!
    LOL! You realize, of course, that Ali G will think you're serious....
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    geez not this again lol.
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    I'll move this to the historical section. Let's keep things friendly here gents by the by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosLondon View Post

    But Bosnia and Albania in the 1700s? Man, I can't wait!
    Bosnia/Albania Total War! That's going to rock big socks!
    I'll toast a glass of orme and a kabuni for that day!
    Last edited by General A. Skywalker; August 05, 2008 at 06:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiorgioIII View Post
    I found a battle in wikipedia with unbelievable numbers. take a look:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gravia

    i think empires should also have in an expansion or something the Greek war of independance since it resembles much the American war of independance

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_of_Independence

    This numbers are totally lie writed by greek fasicts to wikipedi.
    Wiki isnt a good source for history

    But no, the Greek War of Independence is something I really wouldn't count on.
    There is no war of indepence for greeks.
    England france and russia said ottomans if you dont give aoutonmy we will support the rebels and attack.
    Ottomas decline and three of them attacked the ottoman empire.
    We lose the battle and accept the thier demand of giving autonomy to greeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by balabanpasa View Post
    This numbers are totally lie writed by greek fasicts to wikipedi.
    Wiki isnt a good source for history

    But no, the Greek War of Independence is something I really wouldn't count on.
    There is no war of indepence for greeks.
    England france and russia said ottomans if you dont give aoutonmy we will support the rebels and attack.
    Ottomas decline and three of them attacked the ottoman empire.
    We lose the battle and accept the thier demand of giving autonomy to greeks.
    So all those battles were ment nothing?
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    Well,the ottoman military reforms werent yet ready,so they army wasnt a very good one,tough with help of the egyptians they won some battles...But of course,you cant deny the fact that the greek rebels had some great victories against the ottomans,the european support came latter,after the greeks many greek victories (And some ottoman victories too).

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