Project: Victory conditions.

[Zarax]

At CaesarVincens' request I'm opening a thread to discuss the development of historical victory conditions for each factions.

Here's my proposal:

-Rome: Already set.

-Carthage: imho it needs to be reviewed, I say western mediterranean shores, spain, western gallic shores, southern britain and west africa.

- GCS: More or less ok, might be slightly too expansionistic related to its historical counterpart

- Macedon: Should focus on greece, balkans and maybe italy

- Ptolemies: Eastern Africa, Anatolia and Greece plus everything in the middle

- Seleucids: Consolidation of Anatolia, India and most asiatic regions except the northern ones

- Baktria: India, Parthian lands and eastern part of the seleucid empire

- Parthians, Armenians: bringing back the Achmeneid empire

- Pontus: Anatolia plus the bosphoran sea

- Thrace: Balkans, greece and bosphoran sea

- Scithya: TDB

- Germans: France, Germany and british isles

- Gauls: France, Spain and british isles

- Iberians: Spain, France, Sardinia, Corsica, Balearics and Ireland

- Saba: TBD

Hope I didn't miss any...

[CaesarVincens]

Those sound pretty good to me.

For Saba, I was thinking, consolidate the Arabian Peninsula, maybe take Egypt and the Indian coast.

Anyway, we should take it faction by faction, deciding exactly which settlements should fall to them.

[Zarax]

Suppanut already did some work on this, asking him could save us some extra work.

[LucretiusTC]

Here are some ideas about those victory conditions. I think they should be a combination of historical traditions, that is what was the most common direction of the expansion to certain Factions, and what would be so-called natural borders to defend. Besides it would be logical to go where the money is...

About those Gallic victory conditions should surely include most of the Celtic settlements like northern Italy (Gallia Cisalpina) and some of those regions in Central Europe (e.g. Pannonia and Noricum), but excluding Galatia.

About the Seleucids, I think they need to control besides Asia Minor at least Lower Egypt (Alexandria and Memphis) before they can be sure about their position at the Eastern Mediterranean region.

About the Macedonians, I think they need to controll the whole Aegean Sea region including the coasts of western Asia Minor, and create some kind of easily defensible northern frontier against the Barbarians.

About those Germanic imperial ambitions, I think they should be directed to the west side of Rhine and the south side of Danube (like the Marcomanni later tried against the Romans).

Luc.

[Barend]

What does 'western mediterenean shores' mean in the case of Carthage? Is this just the islands (Balearics, Sardina, Corsica, Sicily) or also the Italian shores?

For Greece you can try to recreate Magna Graeca (Great Greece), the area of Greek colonisation and Greek influence.

[Zarax]

For Carthage it would mean most of Italy as well as southern gaul.

[CaesarVincens]

I think we can safely say that each faction would have its starting territory as part of its win conditions, yes?

I'll get started working on these, and show you what I get.

[CaesarVincens]

Here's what I've got so far. It still need some work, but it's a start.

romans_julii
hold_regions Latium Etruria Umbria Apulia Campania Bruttium Calabria Biturigia Armorica Aulercia Belgica 

Tribus_Nervii Lemovicia Aeduia Sequania Tribus_Volcae Aquitania Narbonensis Arvernia Lugdinensis Rhaetia 

Noricum Pannonia Transalpine_Gaul Cisalpine_Gaul Venetia Liguria Tribus_Trinovantes Tribus_Brigantes 

Illyria Dalmatia Tribus_Scordisci Dacia Getia Scythia_Parva Scythia Taurica Heraclea_Chersonesus 

Regnum_Bosphoranum Maeotis Dardania Thrace Epirus Macedonia Propontis Aetolia Thessalia Attica Achaia 

Arcadia Laconia Bithynia Galatia Cappadocia Amastris Mysia Aeolis Ionia Lydia Caria Phrygia Paphlagonia 

Pamphylia Pontus Cilicia Armenia Armenia_Minor Armenia_Maior Colchis Iberia Albania Sophene Adiabene 

Corsica Sardinia Baliares Crete Thrace_Minor Pontus_Minor Rhodos Cyprus Sicilia_Romanus Sicilia_Poeni 

Sicilia_Graecus Gallaecia Asturia Cantabria Celtiberia Ceretania Lusitania Tartesania Carpetania Beribracia 

Turdetania Bastetania Mauretania_Tingitana Mauretania_Massaesili Mauretania_Salditana Locus_Massyli Numidia 

Zeugitana Byzacium Tripolitania_Minor Tripolitania Cyrenaica Marmarica Nile_Delta Middle_Egypt Thebais 

Sinai Judaea Phoenicia Coele_Syria Syria Assyria Babylonia Characene
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
gauls

greek_cities
hold_regions Laconia Attica Achaia Arcadia Macedonia Thessalia Aetolia Scythia Scythia_Parva 

Heraclea_Chersonesus Regnum_Bosphoranum Epirus Illyria Thrace Dalmatia Dardania Propontis Bithynia Moesia 

Phrygia Pamphylia Pontus Colchis Paphlagonia Mysia Aeolis Ionia Lydia Caria Cyprus Cilicia Syria 

Coele_Syria Assyria Phoenicia Judaea Babylonia Cyrenaica Nile_Delta Bruttium Calabria Sicilia_Graecus 

Sicilia_Romanus Sicilia_Poeni Rhodos Crete Thrace_Minor Ceretania Transalpine_Gaul
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
macedon thrace

macedon
hold_regions Macedonia Thessalia Arcadia Boeotia Thrace_Minor Dardania Propontis Epirus Laconia Attica 

Achaia Aetolia Aeolis Mysia Ionia Caria Rhodos Crete
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
greek_cities thrace

seleucid
hold_regions Syria Coele_Syria Assyria Babylonia Lydia Ionia Elymais Cilicia Media Hyrcania Persis Tabiena 

Carmania Drangiana Aria Margiana Characene Astauene Parthyene Choarene Phrygia Sophene Adiabene Cappadocia 

Amastris Bithynia Galatia Pamphylia Phoenicia Judaea Nile_Delta Cyprus Aeolis Mysia Caria Regnum_Palmyrae 

Rhodos Middle_Egypt Marmarica Sinai Nabataea
take_regions 75
short_campaign outlive_factions
egypt

egypt
hold_regions Nile_Delta Middle_Egypt Thebais Cyprus Judaea Phoenicia Marmarica Nubia Oasis_Magna Pamphylia 

Syria Coele_Syria Cilicia Rhodos Cyrenaica Libya Locus_Blemmye Kush Ethiopia Sinai Nabataea Phrygia
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
seleucid dacia

thrace
hold_regions Thrace Getia Moesia Scythia_Parva Dardania Propontis Tribus_Scordisci Tribus_Eravisci Dacia
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
macedon greek_cities

britons
hold_regions Bactria Paropamisadae Gedrosia Sind Gandhara Arachosia
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
seleucid

carthage
hold_regions Zeugitana Byzacium Numidia Mauretania_Tingitana Mauretania_Massaesili Mauretania_Salditana 

Locus_Massyli Tripolitania_Minor Tripolitania Cyrenaica Marmarica Nile_Delta Judaea Phoenicia Syria Latium 

Etruria Umbria Apulia Campania Bruttium Calabria Biturigia Narbonensis Transalpine_Gaul Cisalpine_Gaul 

Venetia Liguria Illyria Dalmatia Epirus Macedonia Propontis Aetolia Thessalia Attica Achaia Laconia 

Bithynia Mysia Aeolis Ionia Lydia Caria Pamphylia Cilicia Corsica Sardinia Baliares Crete Rhodos Cyprus 

Sicilia_Romanus Sicilia_Poeni Sicilia_Graecus Gallaecia Asturia Cantabria Celtiberia Ceretania Lusitania 

Tartesania Carpetania Beribracia Turdetania Bastetania 
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
romans_julii spain

parthia
hold_regions Tribus_Dahae Chorasmia Sogdiana
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
scythia

pontus
hold_regions Pontus Paphlagonia Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Galatia Pamphylia Ionia Lydia Cilicia Aeolis 

Phrygia Mysia Caria Pontus_Minor
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
armenia thrace

armenia
hold_regions Armenia Armenia_Maior Armenia_Minor Colchis Atropatene Cappadocia Iberia Albania Pontus_Minor
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
pontus scythia

gauls
hold_regions Arvernia Biturigia Lugdinensis Sequania Aquitania Narbonensis Tribus_Nervii Tribus_Trinovantes 

Aeduia Lemovicia Aulercia Celtiberia Armorica Venetia Cisalpine_Gaul Liguria Dardania Transalpine_Gaul 

Belgica Pannonia Noricum Boihaemum Illyria Etruria Umbria
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
romans_julii

germans
hold_regions Tribus_Suebi Tribus_Chauci Tribus_Cherusci Cimbrica Locus_Rugii Tribus_Chattii Tribus_Volcae
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
gauls

scythia
hold_regions Tribus_Roxolani Taurica Maeotis Tribus_Iazyges Tribus_Siracae Tribus_Aorsi
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
thrace macedon

spain
hold_regions Gallaecia Beribracia Lusitania Carpetania Asturia Celtiberia Emporion Bastetania Turdetania 

Cantabria
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
gauls

dacia
hold_regions Saba Qataban Azania Main Hadramaut Locus_Gerraei Maketa Characene Zufar
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
egypt

[LucretiusTC]

I think those victory conditions for Parthians should include these settlements that were the historical capitals of their Empire when they expanded to the west: Nisa, Hecatompylos, Zadracarta (summer residence when Hecatompylos was capital), Ecbatana, Susa, and Seleucia (conqueror can rename it as Ctesiphon that was quite near Seleucia). Ctesiphon was their winter residence in Mesopotamia since 129 BCE, but Parthian army withdrew to the ancient capitals of Susa and Ecbatana for a summer because of the more pleasant weather.

Some interesting maps about the Parthian Empire:
http://americanhistory.si.edu/collec...mes/pargeo.htm

That article also tells how the Empire was ruled: "The Parthian empire included a number of subkingdoms ruled by their own native dynasties. These kingdoms were located on the peripheries of the empire and acted as buffers betwen the areas of direct Parthian control and the rest of the world. The general policy of the Arsacids was to maintain direct control over the Parthian homeland and the main trade routes between the East and West, thus ensuring recruits for their army and income from tolls and tariffs. The subkingdoms were allowed to keep their semi-autonomous status in return for loyalty to the Parthian king of kings, military support when requested, and tribute."


Luc.

[Suppanut]

Suppanut already did some work on this, asking him could save us some extra work.

I would help you but I can't coding and original file for a time being as now I'm at my parent home without any RTW as well as I don't know what file responsible for this but I have my backup on my old proposal as well as backup descr_region.txt with me so I can post my revised proposal as soon as I change settlement name into region name as well as revised some condition.

[CaesarVincens]

Here's the latest update. In addition to adding many, many, regions to most factions, I removed some further regions from the Greek win conditions. Currently Parthia and Armenia have basically the same win conditions as the Seleucid Empire.

romans_julii
hold_regions Latium Etruria Umbria Apulia Campania Bruttium Calabria Biturigia Armorica Aulercia Belgica Tribus_Nervii Lemovicia Aeduia Sequania Tribus_Volcae Aquitania Narbonensis Arvernia Lugdinensis Rhaetia Noricum Pannonia Transalpine_Gaul Cisalpine_Gaul Venetia Liguria Tribus_Trinovantes Tribus_Brigantes Illyria Dalmatia Tribus_Scordisci Dacia Getia Scythia_Parva Scythia Taurica Heraclea_Chersonesus Regnum_Bosphoranum Maeotis Dardania Thrace Epirus Macedonia Propontis Aetolia Thessalia Attica Achaia rcadia Laconia Bithynia Galatia Cappadocia Amastris Mysia Aeolis Ionia Lydia Caria Phrygia Paphlagonia Pamphylia Pontus Cilicia Armenia Armenia_Minor Armenia_Maior Colchis Iberia Albania Sophene Adiabene Corsica Sardinia Baliares Crete Thrace_Minor Pontus_Minor Rhodos Cyprus Sicilia_Romanus Sicilia_Poeni Sicilia_Graecus Gallaecia Asturia Cantabria Celtiberia Ceretania Lusitania Tartesania Carpetania Beribracia Turdetania Bastetania Mauretania_Tingitana Mauretania_Massaesili Mauretania_Salditana Locus_Massyli Numidia Zeugitana Byzacium Tripolitania_Minor Tripolitania Cyrenaica Marmarica Nile_Delta Middle_Egypt Thebais Sinai Judaea Phoenicia Coele_Syria Syria Assyria Babylonia Characene
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
gauls

greek_cities
hold_regions Laconia Attica Achaia Arcadia Macedonia Thessalia Aetolia Scythia_Parva Heraclea_Chersonesus Regnum_Bosphoranum Epirus Illyria Thrace Dalmatia Dardania Propontis Bithynia Moesia Phrygia Pamphylia Pontus Paphlagonia Mysia Aeolis Ionia Lydia Caria Cyprus Cilicia Syria Coele_Syria Assyria Phoenicia Judaea Babylonia Cyrenaica Nile_Delta Bruttium Calabria Sicilia_Graecus Sicilia_Romanus Sicilia_Poeni Rhodos Crete Thrace_Minor
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
macedon thrace

macedon
hold_regions Macedonia Thessalia Arcadia Boeotia Thrace_Minor Dardania Propontis Epirus Laconia Attica Achaia Aetolia Aeolis Mysia Ionia Caria Rhodos Crete Dalmatia Thrace Moesia Bithynia
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
greek_cities thrace

seleucid
hold_regions Syria Coele_Syria Assyria Babylonia Lydia Ionia Elymais Cilicia Media Hyrcania Persis Tabiena Carmania Drangiana Aria Margiana Characene Astauene Parthyene Choarene Phrygia Sophene Adiabene Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Pontus Pontus_Minor Paphlagonia Galatia Pamphylia Phoenicia Judaea Nile_Delta Cyprus Aeolis Mysia Caria Regnum_Palmyrae Rhodos Middle_Egypt Marmarica Sinai Nabataea Colchis Armenia Armenia_Minor Armenia_Maior Iberia Albania Atropatene Gedrosia Arachosia Sind Sattagydia Gandhara Bactria Paropamisadae Tribus_Dahae Chorasmia Sogdiana Chach Tocharia Amyrgia Locus_Gerraei
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
egypt

egypt
hold_regions Nile_Delta Middle_Egypt Thebais Cyprus Judaea Phoenicia Marmarica Nubia Oasis_Magna Pamphylia Syria Coele_Syria Cilicia Rhodos Cyrenaica Libya Locus_Blemmye Kush Ethiopia Sinai Nabataea Regnum_Palmyrae Phrygia Macedonia Thessalia Arcadia Boeotia Thrace_Minor Propontis Epirus Laconia Attica Achaia Aetolia Aeolis Mysia Ionia Caria Crete Bithynia
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
seleucid dacia

thrace
hold_regions Thrace Getia Moesia Scythia_Parva Dardania Propontis Tribus_Scordisci Tribus_Eravisci Dacia Colchis Maeotis Regnum_Bosporanum Heraclea_Chersonesus Taurica Scythia Pontus_Minor Pontus Paphlagonia Amastris Bithynia Mysia Thrace_Minor Tribus_Scordisci
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
macedon greek_cities

britons
hold_regions Bactria Paropamisadae Gedrosia Arachosia Sind Sattagydia Gandhara Bactria Paropamisadae Tribus_Dahae Chorasmia Sogdiana Chach Tocharia Amyrgia Aria Drangiana Margiana Carmania Tribus_Dahae Chorasmia Sogdiana Astauene
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
seleucid

carthage
hold_regions Zeugitana Byzacium Numidia Mauretania_Tingitana Mauretania_Massaesili Mauretania_Salditana Locus_Massyli Tripolitania_Minor Tripolitania Cyrenaica Marmarica Nile_Delta Judaea Phoenicia Syria Latium Etruria Umbria Apulia Campania Bruttium Calabria Biturigia Narbonensis Transalpine_Gaul Cisalpine_Gaul Venetia Liguria Illyria Dalmatia Epirus Macedonia Propontis Aetolia Thessalia Attica Achaia Laconia Bithynia Mysia Aeolis Ionia Lydia Caria Pamphylia Cilicia Corsica Sardinia Baliares Crete Rhodos Cyprus Sicilia_Romanus Sicilia_Poeni Sicilia_Graecus Gallaecia Asturia Cantabria Celtiberia Ceretania Lusitania Tartesania Carpetania Beribracia Turdetania Bastetania 
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
romans_julii spain

parthia
hold_regions Syria Coele_Syria Assyria Babylonia Lydia Ionia Elymais Cilicia Media Hyrcania Persis Tabiena Carmania Drangiana Aria Margiana Characene Astauene Parthyene Choarene Phrygia Sophene Adiabene Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Pontus Pontus_Minor Paphlagonia Galatia Pamphylia Phoenicia Judaea Nile_Delta Cyprus Aeolis Mysia Caria Regnum_Palmyrae Rhodos Middle_Egypt Marmarica Sinai Nabataea Colchis Armenia Armenia_Minor Armenia_Maior Iberia Albania Atropatene Gedrosia Arachosia Sattagydia Gandhara Bactria Paropamisadae Tribus_Dahae Chorasmia Sogdiana Chach Tocharia Amyrgia Locus_Gerraei Cyrenaica
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
scythia

pontus
hold_regions Pontus Paphlagonia Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Galatia Pamphylia Ionia Lydia Cilicia Aeolis Phrygia Mysia Caria Pontus_Minor Armenia_Minor Colchis Maeotis Regnum_Bosporanum Heraclea_Chersonesus Taurica Scythia Scythia_Parva Thrace Propontis
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
armenia thrace

armenia
hold_regions Syria Coele_Syria Assyria Babylonia Lydia Ionia Elymais Cilicia Media Hyrcania Persis Tabiena Carmania Drangiana Aria Margiana Characene Astauene Parthyene Choarene Phrygia Sophene Adiabene Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Pontus Pontus_Minor Paphlagonia Galatia Pamphylia Phoenicia Judaea Nile_Delta Cyprus Aeolis Mysia Caria Regnum_Palmyrae Rhodos Middle_Egypt Marmarica Sinai Nabataea Colchis Armenia Armenia_Minor Armenia_Maior Iberia Albania Atropatene Gedrosia Arachosia Sattagydia Gandhara Bactria Paropamisadae Tribus_Dahae Chorasmia Sogdiana Chach Tocharia Amyrgia Locus_Gerraei Cyrenaica
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
pontus scythia

gauls
hold_regions Arvernia Biturigia Lugdinensis Sequania Aquitania Narbonensis Tribus_Nervii Tribus_Trinovantes Tribus_Brigantes Caledonia Cuinnacht Aeduia Lemovicia Aulercia Celtiberia Armorica Venetia Cisalpine_Gaul Liguria Dardania Transalpine_Gaul Belgica Pannonia Noricum Tribus_Eravisci Tribus_Scordisci Dacia Illyria Dalmatia Etruria Umbria Gallaecia Beribracia Lusitania Carpetania Asturia Emporion Bastetania Turdetania Cantabria Tartesania Rhaetia
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
romans_julii

germans
hold_regions Tribus_Suebi Tribus_Chauci Tribus_Cherusci Cimbrica Locus_Rugii Tribus_Chattii Tribus_Volcae Scandia Tribus_Trinovantes Tribus_Brigantes Caledonia Cuinnacht Arvernia Biturigia Lugdinensis Sequania Aquitania Narbonensis Tribus_Nervii Aeduia Lemovicia Aulercia Armorica Transalpine_Gaul Belgica Boihaemum Locus_Lugii Tribus_Cotini Locus_Venedae Locus_Aestii
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
gauls

scythia
hold_regions Tribus_Roxolani Taurica Maeotis Tribus_Iazyges Tribus_Siracae Tribus_Aorsi Tribus_Legae Tribus Tribus_Iirkai Scythia Tribus_Neuri Tribus_Bastarnae Tribus_Budini Tribus_Tissagetae Regnum_Bosporanum Heraclea_Chersonesus
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
thrace macedon

spain
hold_regions Gallaecia Beribracia Lusitania Carpetania Asturia Celtiberia Emporion Bastetania Tartesania Turdetania Cantabria Cuinnacht Sardinia Corsica Baliares Arvernia Biturigia Lugdinensis Sequania Aquitania Narbonensis Tribus_Nervii Aeduia Lemovicia Aulercia Armorica Transalpine_Gaul Belgica
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
gauls

dacia
hold_regions Saba Qataban Azania Main Hadramaut Locus_Gerraei Maketa Characene Zufar
take_regions 50
short_campaign outlive_factions
egypt

[Suppanut]

Here are victory conditions modified from old victory condition thread.

Pontus:

Historically their ruler were Persian Satrap who take advantage from the fall of Alexander's Empire to declared themselves king and survived by powerplay in Diadochi war. Due to their faction's name "Pontus" originally mean Black sea so short term campaign not only need to secured Anatolia but also should controlled Black sea trade and naval power. Their long term goal would be rational to restore Archemenid glory of the past since their ruler were Persian anyway.

Short campaign(Lord of Pontus)
- Control all Anatolia (region: Paphlagonia Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Galatia Cilicia Lydia Caria Pontus_Minor Phrygia Pamphylia Pontus Aeolis Mysia Ionia)
- Control all Black Sea coast (region: Scythia_Parva Thrace Propontis Regnum_Bosphoranum Taurica Heraclea_Chersonesus Maeotis Tribus_Volcae Colchis)

Long Campaign(Archemenid inheritance of Pontus)
- Control all land of former Archemenid Empire (region: Cyrenaica Nile_Delta Libya Middle_Egypt Thebais Marmarica Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea Paphlagonia Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Galatia Cilicia Lydia Caria Phrygia Pamphylia Pontus Aeolis Mysia Ionia Babylonia Elymais Characene Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea Media Margiana Hyrcania Tabiena Drangiana Persis Carmania Aria Astauene Parthyene Choarene Adiabene Bactria Paropamisadae Getia Scythia_Parva Thrace Dardania Propontis Thrace_Minor Moesia Colchis Atropatene Armenia_Maior Iberia Albania Sophene Armenia_Minor Armenia Gedrosia Taxila Arachosia Chorasmia Sogdiana Tribus_Dahae Chach Regnum_Bosphoranum Taurica Heraclea_Chersonesus Tribus_Volcae Kush Sattagydia)
- Control all Black Sea coast (region: Scythia_Parva Thrace Propontis Regnum_Bosphoranum Taurica Heraclea_Chersonesus Maeotis Tribus_Volcae Colchis)


Armenia:

Historically their leader had Archemenid blood in their vein so they can truely declared rightful ruler of Archemenid made their long term to restore it. Short term goal shold be their historical sphere of influence and eliminated neighbour threat like Pontus and weakening the superpower like Seleucid.

Short Campaign(Lord of Ararat)
- Control Syria (region: Assyria Syria Coele_Syria)
- Control all Anatolia (region: Paphlagonia Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Galatia Cilicia Lydia Caria Pontus_Minor Phrygia Pamphylia Pontus Aeolis Mysia Ionia)
- Control south of Caucasus (region: Colchis Atropatene Armenia_Maior Iberia Albania Sophene Armenia_Minor Armenia)
- Control Media (region: Media)
- Control Mesopotamia (region: Babylonia Elymais Characene)

Long Campaign(Archemenid inheritance of Armenia)
- Control all land of former Archemenid Empire (region: Cyrenaica Nile_Delta Libya Middle_Egypt Thebais Marmarica Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea Paphlagonia Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Galatia Cilicia Lydia Caria Phrygia Pamphylia Pontus Aeolis Mysia Ionia Babylonia Elymais Characene Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea Media Margiana Hyrcania Tabiena Drangiana Persis Carmania Aria Astauene Parthyene Choarene Adiabene Bactria Paropamisadae Getia Scythia_Parva Thrace Dardania Propontis Thrace_Minor Moesia Colchis Atropatene Armenia_Maior Iberia Albania Sophene Armenia_Minor Armenia Gedrosia Taxila Arachosia Chorasmia Sogdiana Tribus_Dahae Chach Regnum_Bosphoranum Taurica Heraclea_Chersonesus Tribus_Volcae Kush Sattagydia)


Parthia:

Historically Parthia just like adopt son of Archemenid due to they never have concrete link with Archemenid although they are persian speaking language. Their expansion of power just made them had right to inherited Archemnid legacy and champion for all Iranian people. Short term goal should be liberated all Persian kin and eliminated the most rightful pretender like Armenia while long term should be retore the former glory of Archemenid.

Short Campaign(Lord under Ahura-Mazda)
- Control Persia (region: Media Margiana Hyrcania Tabiena Drangiana Persis Carmania Aria Astauene Parthyene Choarene Adiabene)
- Control Baktria (region: Bactria Paropamisadae)
- Control Silkroad (settlement; Chorasmia Sogdiana Tocharia Tribus_Yuezhe Wusun Chach Amyrgia)

Long Campaign(Archemenid inheritance of Pahlavan)
- Control all land of former Archemenid Empire (region: Cyrenaica Nile_Delta Libya Middle_Egypt Thebais Marmarica Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea Paphlagonia Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Galatia Cilicia Lydia Caria Phrygia Pamphylia Pontus Aeolis Mysia Ionia Babylonia Elymais Characene Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea Media Margiana Hyrcania Tabiena Drangiana Persis Carmania Aria Astauene Parthyene Choarene Adiabene Bactria Paropamisadae Getia Scythia_Parva Thrace Dardania Propontis Thrace_Minor Moesia Colchis Atropatene Armenia_Maior Iberia Albania Sophene Armenia_Minor Armenia Gedrosia Taxila Arachosia Chorasmia Sogdiana Tribus_Dahae Chach Regnum_Bosphoranum Taurica Heraclea_Chersonesus Tribus_Volcae Kush Sattagydia)
- Control Silkroad (settlement; Chorasmia Sogdiana Tocharia Tribus_Yuezhe Wusun Chach Amyrgia)


Diadochi

Macedon Seleucid Ptolemios all these three hellenistic faction have one thing in common they all claimed to be rightful heir of Alexander the Great with some varient in their domestic goal due to the region of their power based.

Macedon

Short Campaign(Ruler of Aegean)
- Control Greek mainland and near by island of Rhodos and Crete (region: Epirus Macedonia Thessalia Laconia Attica Patras Arcadia Boeotia Aetolia Rhodos Crete)
- Control all Anatolia (region: Paphlagonia Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Galatia Cilicia Lydia Caria Pontus_Minor Phrygia Pamphylia Pontus Aeolis Mysia Ionia)

Long Campaign(Diadochus)
- Control all former Alexander's Empire (region: Cyrenaica Nile_Delta Libya Middle_Egypt Thebais Marmarica Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea Paphlagonia Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Galatia Cilicia Lydia Caria Phrygia Pamphylia Pontus Aeolis Mysia Ionia Babylonia Elymais Characene Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea Media Margiana Hyrcania Tabiena Drangiana Persis Carmania Aria Astauene Parthyene Choarene Adiabene Bactria Paropamisadae Getia Scythia_Parva Thrace Dardania Propontis Thrace_Minor Moesia Armenia_Maior Armenia_Minor Armenia Epirus Macedonia Thessalia Laconia Attica Patras Arcadia Boeotia Aetolia Rhodos Crete Cyprus Gedrosia Taxila Arachosia Sattagydia)
- Control Italy&Sicily&Illyria (region: Illyria Salona Etruria Umbria Latium Calabria Campania Bruttium Apulia Sicilia_Graecus Sicilia_Romanus Sicilia_Poeni)

Seleucid

Short Campaign(Ruler of the East)
- Control south of Caucasus (region: Colchis Atropatene Armenia_Maior Iberia Albania Sophene Armenia_Minor Armenia)
- Control all Anatolia (region: Paphlagonia Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Galatia Cilicia Lydia Caria Pontus_Minor Phrygia Pamphylia Pontus Aeolis Mysia Ionia)
- Control Lavant (region: Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea)
- Control Mesopotamia (region: Babylonia Elymais Characene)
- Control Persia (region: Media Margiana Hyrcania Tabiena Drangiana Persis Carmania Aria Astauene Parthyene Choarene Adiabene)
- Control Baktria (region: Bactria Paropamisadae)

Long Campaign(Diadochus)
- Control Southern Caucasus (region: Colchis Atropatene Armenia_Maior Iberia Albania Sophene Armenia_Minor Armenia)
- Control all former Alexander's Empire (region: Cyrenaica Nile_Delta Libya Middle_Egypt Thebais Marmarica Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea Paphlagonia Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Galatia Cilicia Lydia Caria Phrygia Pamphylia Pontus Aeolis Mysia Ionia Babylonia Elymais Characene Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea Media Margiana Hyrcania Tabiena Drangiana Persis Carmania Aria Astauene Parthyene Choarene Adiabene Bactria Paropamisadae Getia Scythia_Parva Thrace Dardania Propontis Thrace_Minor Moesia Armenia_Maior Armenia_Minor Armenia Epirus Macedonia Thessalia Laconia Attica Patras Arcadia Boeotia Aetolia Rhodos Crete Cyprus Gedrosia Taxila Arachosia Sattagydia)


Ptolemios

Short Campaign(Ruler of the Niles and Red Sea)
- Control Western Arabia (region: Sinai Nabataea Main Saba Qataban Hadramaut)
- Control Eastern Africa (region: Cyrenaica Nile_Delta Libya Middle_Egypt Thebais Marmarica Nubia Locus_Blemmye Kush Oasis_Magna Azania Ethiopia)
- Control Lavant (region: Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea)
- Control all Anatolia (region: Paphlagonia Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Galatia Cilicia Lydia Caria Pontus_Minor Phrygia Pamphylia Pontus Aeolis Mysia Ionia)
- Control Mesopotamia (region: Babylonia Elymais Characene)

Long Campaign(Diadochus)
- Control Western Arabia (region: Sinai Nabataea Main Saba Qataban Hadramaut)
- Control Eastern Africa (region: Cyrenaica Nile_Delta Libya Middle_Egypt Thebais Marmarica Nubia Locus_Blemmye Kush Oasis_Magna Azania Ethiopia)
- Control all former Alexander's Empire (region: Cyrenaica Nile_Delta Libya Middle_Egypt Thebais Marmarica Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea Paphlagonia Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Galatia Cilicia Lydia Caria Phrygia Pamphylia Pontus Aeolis Mysia Ionia Babylonia Elymais Characene Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea Media Margiana Hyrcania Tabiena Drangiana Persis Carmania Aria Astauene Parthyene Choarene Adiabene Bactria Paropamisadae Getia Scythia_Parva Thrace Dardania Propontis Thrace_Minor Moesia Armenia_Maior Armenia_Minor Armenia Epirus Macedonia Thessalia Laconia Attica Patras Arcadia Boeotia Aetolia Rhodos Crete Cyprus Gedrosia Taxila Arachosia Sattagydia)


Baktria

Part Indian part Greek and part Persian. They have spend their time historically conquer eastward into India while hold their western frontier quite firm. Baktrian local know for their loyalty to the Archemenid so control Persia heartland would guranteed that no other persian to claim their loyalty.

Short Campaign(Ruler of the Edge of the World)
- Control Persia (region: Media Margiana Hyrcania Tabiena Drangiana Persis Carmania Aria Astauene Parthyene Choarene Adiabene)
- Control Baktria (region: Bactria Paropamisadae)
- Control India (region: Gedrosia Sind Taxila Arachosia)
- Control Silkroad (settlement; Chorasmia Sogdiana Tocharia Tribus_Yuezhe Wusun Chach Amyrgia)

Long Campaign(Diadochus)
- Control all former Alexander's Empire (region: Cyrenaica Nile_Delta Libya Middle_Egypt Thebais Marmarica Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea Paphlagonia Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Galatia Cilicia Lydia Caria Phrygia Pamphylia Pontus Aeolis Mysia Ionia Babylonia Elymais Characene Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea Media Margiana Hyrcania Tabiena Drangiana Persis Carmania Aria Astauene Parthyene Choarene Adiabene Bactria Paropamisadae Getia Scythia_Parva Thrace Dardania Propontis Thrace_Minor Moesia Armenia_Maior Armenia_Minor Armenia Epirus Macedonia Thessalia Laconia Attica Patras Arcadia Boeotia Aetolia Rhodos Crete Cyprus Gedrosia Taxila Arachosia Sattagydia)
- Control India (region: Gedrosia Sind Taxila Arachosia)
- Control Silkroad (settlement; Chorasmia Sogdiana Tocharia Tribus_Yuezhe Wusun Chach Amyrgia)


Gauls& Indy Gauls

Celts people spent times that they not raid other people by powerplay among themselves. Although spread wide but they lack of unity So their short and long term would be unification than other thing else.

Short Campaign(unification of Gauls)
- Control all Gauls (region: Belgica Tribus_Nervii Aulercia Armorica Sequania Sequania Biturigia Lemovicia Noricum Rhaetia Lugdinensis Arvernia Aquitania Transalpine_Gaul Narbonensis Cisalpine_Gaul Venetia Pannonia Liguria Aeduia)
- Outlast another Gauls faction

Long Campaign(Glory of all celts)
- Control all Gauls (region: Belgica Tribus_Nervii Aulercia Armorica Sequania Sequania Biturigia Lemovicia Noricum Rhaetia Lugdinensis Arvernia Aquitania Transalpine_Gaul Narbonensis Cisalpine_Gaul Venetia Pannonia Liguria Aeduia)
- Control eastern europe celts (region: Locus_Lugii Boihaemum Tribus_Cotini Tribus_Scordisci Tribus_Eravisci)
- Control Britannia (region: Tribus_Brigantes Cuinnacht Tribus_Trinovantes Caledonia)
- Control Iberia (region: Gallaecia Celtiberia Lusitania Bastetania Turdetania Baliares Beribracia Carpetania Cantabria Tartesania Asturia Ceretania)
- Control Amber Route regions (trade route that transport Amber from Baltic to Mediterranean. region: Locus_Aestii Locus_Venedae Locus_Lugii Boihaemum Pannonia Venetia)
- Capture Latium

Germans

They are overran Roman empire and live everywhere in western europe Although this will happen late during post-XGM era but every germans' player would like to make it happen early for sure!

Short Campaign(germanic confederate)
- Control germania and Baltic sea (region: Cimbrica Locus_Aestii Locus_Fenni Locus_Rugii Tribus_Chauci Tribus_Suebi Tribus_Volcae Locus_Venedae Tribus_Tissagetae Tribus_Cherusci Tribus_Chattii Nurthralandan Locus_Careotae)
- Control eastern europe celts (region: Locus_Lugii Boihaemum Tribus_Cotini Tribus_Scordisci Tribus_Eravisci)
- Control Thrace (region: Getia Scythia_Parva Thrace Dardania Propontis Thrace_Minor Moesia Tribus_Bastarnae Dacia)
- Control Illyria (region: Illyria Dalmatia)
- incorperate Bastarnae (region: Tribus_Bastarnae)

Long Campaign(germans are everywhere)
- Control germania and Baltic sea (region: Cimbrica Locus_Aestii Locus_Fenni Locus_Rugii Tribus_Chauci Tribus_Suebi Tribus_Volcae Locus_Venedae Tribus_Tissagetae Tribus_Cherusci Tribus_Chattii Nurthralandan Locus_Careotae)
- Control all Gauls (region: Belgica Tribus_Nervii Aulercia Armorica Sequania Sequania Biturigia Lemovicia Noricum Rhaetia Lugdinensis Arvernia Aquitania Transalpine_Gaul Narbonensis Cisalpine_Gaul Venetia Pannonia Liguria Aeduia)
- Control eastern europe celts (region: Locus_Lugii Boihaemum Tribus_Cotini Tribus_Scordisci Tribus_Eravisci)
- Control Britannia (region: Tribus_Brigantes Cuinnacht Tribus_Trinovantes Caledonia)
- incorperate Bastarnae (region: Tribus_Bastarnae)
- Control Amber Route regions (trade route that transport Amber from Baltic to Mediterranean. region: Locus_Aestii Locus_Venedae Locus_Lugii Boihaemum Pannonia Venetia)
- Control Thrace (region: Getia Scythia_Parva Thrace Dardania Propontis Thrace_Minor Moesia Tribus_Bastarnae Dacia)
- Control Illyria (region: Illyria Dalmatia)
- Capture Rome (region: Latium)

Spain

Although they not an ordinary barbarian they historically lack of ambition and love to be defender of their economic and cultural power house than being outward expansionist. But look like we can't have peaceful condition for them to eliminated their historical threat would be rational choice.

Short Campaign(Throne of the Patriot Debt that the invader must be paid)
- Control all Iberia (region: Gallaecia Celtiberia Lusitania Bastetania Turdetania Beribracia Carpetania Cantabria Tartesania Asturia Ceretania
- Control West Mediterranean native land (region: Sardinia Corsica Baliares Liguria)
- Capture Latium
- Capture Zeugitana

Long Campaign(Replace Latium for their glory We are number one in West Mediterranean)
- Control all Iberia (region: Gallaecia Celtiberia Lusitania Bastetania Turdetania Beribracia Carpetania Cantabria Tartesania Asturia Ceretania
- Control West Mediterranean native land (region: Sardinia Corsica Baliares Liguria)
- Control all Gauls (region: Belgica Tribus_Nervii Aulercia Armorica Sequania Sequania Biturigia Lemovicia Noricum Rhaetia Lugdinensis Arvernia Aquitania Transalpine_Gaul Narbonensis Cisalpine_Gaul Venetia Pannonia Liguria Aeduia)
- Control Italy (region: Etruria Umbria Latium Calabria Campania Bruttium Apulia)
- Control West Africa (region: Mauretania_Tingitana Numidia Zeugitana Byzacium Tripolitania Mauretania_Massaesili Cydamae Locus_Massyli Mauretania_Salditana Tripolitania_Minor)
- Control Sicily (region: Sicilia_Graecus Sicilia_Romanus Sicilia_Poeni)


Scythia

Steppe dweller have one advantage very few that eye for their vast land. So Their short term victory condition would be hard to set since during these era they spent most of their time to tend their herd in steppe than being outward conqueror made them lack of mortal enemies and Latium still to far to be significant for them.

Short Campaign(Rise the Horde)
- Control Western Steppe (region: Tribus_Siracae Tribus_Alanni Tribus_Roxolani Tribus_Neuri Maeotis Tribus_Volcae Tribus_Budinai Tribus_Iazyges Tribus_Legae Tribus_Aorsi Tribus_Iirkai Scythia)
- Control Eastern Steppe (region: Tribus_Massagetae Chorasmia Sogdiana Tribus_Dahae Tocharia Tribus_Yuezhe Wusun Amyrgia Tribus_Sakae Chach)
- Control Crimea (region: Regnum_Bosphoranum Taurica Heraclea_Chersonesus)
- Control at least 30 provinces(6 settlements more)

Long Campaign(Unleashed the Horde)
- Control Western Steppe (region: Tribus_Siracae Tribus_Alanni Tribus_Roxolani Tribus_Neuri Maeotis Tribus_Volcae Tribus_Budinai Tribus_Iazyges Tribus_Legae Tribus_Aorsi Tribus_Iirkai Scythia)
- Control Eastern Steppe (region: Tribus_Massagetae Chorasmia Sogdiana Tribus_Dahae Tocharia Tribus_Yuezhe Wusun Amyrgia Tribus_Sakae Chach)
- Control Crimea (region: Regnum_Bosphoranum Taurica Heraclea_Chersonesus)
- Control at least 50 provinces(26 settlements more)
- Capture Seleucia (region: Babylonia)
- Capture Antioch (region: Syria)
- Capture Taxila (region: Gandhara)
- Capture Pella (region: Macedonia)
- Capture Alexandria (region: Nile_Delta)(optional)
- Capture Rome (region: Latium)(optional)

Saba

Political Hermit in the Desert. Although they are hermit their their political goal were very easy to set. First the Arabia second Red Sea and East Africa and third Fertile Crescent.

Short Campaign(Monopoly of Red Sea Trade)
- Control all Arabia (region: Sinai Nabataea Main Saba Qataban Hadramaut Locus_Gerraei Maketa Zufar)
- Control Eastern Africa (region: Cyrenaica Nile_Delta Libya Middle_Egypt Thebais Marmarica Nubia Locus_Blemmye Kush Oasis_Magna Azania Ethiopia)
- Control at least 25 provinces(4 settlements more)

Long Campaign(New Semetic Empire of Fertile Cresent)
- Control all Arabia (region: Sinai Nabataea Main Saba Qataban Hadramaut Locus_Gerraei Maketa Zufar)
- Control Eastern Africa (region: Cyrenaica Nile_Delta Libya Middle_Egypt Thebais Marmarica Nubia Locus_Blemmye Kush Oasis_Magna Azania Ethiopia)
- Control Lavant (region: Assyria Syria Regnum_Palmyrae Phoenicia Coele_Syria Judaea)
- Control Mesopotamia (region: Babylonia Elymais Characene)
- Control at least 40 provinces(10 settlements more)

Thrace

Another not so ordinary barbarian they had long term tie with Hellenic world and history of settle into Anatolia. Although lack of significant role not hard to set their goal here.

Short Campaign(Greater Thrace)
- Control Thrace (region: Getia Scythia_Parva Thrace Dardania Propontis Thrace_Minor Moesia Tribus_Bastarnae Dacia)
- Control Illyria (region: Illyria Dalmatia)
- Control all Anatolia (region: Paphlagonia Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Galatia Cilicia Lydia Caria Pontus_Minor Phrygia Pamphylia Pontus Aeolis Mysia Ionia)
- Control Cis-Carparthian land (region: Boihaemum Tribus_Cotini Tribus_Scordisci Tribus_Eravisci Pannonia)

Long Campaign(Hostile Hellenic take over)
- Control Thrace (region: Getia Scythia_Parva Thrace Dardania Propontis Thrace_Minor Moesia Tribus_Bastarnae Dacia)
- Control Illyria (region: Illyria Dalmatia)
- Control all Anatolia (region: Paphlagonia Cappadocia Amastris Bithynia Galatia Cilicia Lydia Caria Pontus_Minor Phrygia Pamphylia Pontus Aeolis Mysia Ionia)
- Control Greek mainland and near by island of Rhodos and Crete (region: Epirus Macedonia Thessalia Laconia Attica Patras Arcadia Boeotia Aetolia Rhodos Crete)
- Control Cis-Carparthian land (region: Boihaemum Tribus_Cotini Tribus_Scordisci Tribus_Eravisci Pannonia)
- incorperate Bastarnae (region: Tribus_Bastarnae)
- Control at least 50 provinces(12 settlements more)

Carthage

Dominator of Western Medeterranean and Coast outside Pillar of Herakles. Their main Goal should be Thelassocratic Empire in western part of map and long term goal would be go further east and control all key ports.

Short Campaign(Dominator of Western Mediterranean)
- Control all Iberia (region: Gallaecia Celtiberia Lusitania Bastetania Turdetania Beribracia Carpetania Cantabria Tartesania Asturia Ceretania)
- Control West Mediterranean island (region: Sardinia Corsica Baliares)
- Control Southern Gauls Coast (region: Transalpine_Gaul Narbonensis Liguria)
- Control Italy (region: Etruria Umbria Latium Calabria Campania Bruttium Apulia)
- Control West Africa (region: Mauretania_Tingitana Numidia Zeugitana Byzacium Tripolitania Mauretania_Massaesili Cydamae Locus_Massyli Mauretania_Salditana Tripolitania_Minor)
- Control Sicily (region: Sicilia_Graecus Sicilia_Romanus Sicilia_Poeni)

Long Campaign(Thelassocratic Empire)
- Control all Iberia (region: Gallaecia Celtiberia Lusitania Bastetania Turdetania Beribracia Carpetania Cantabria Tartesania Asturia Ceretania)
- Control West Mediterranean native land (region: Sardinia Corsica Baliares)
- Control South and west coast Gauls (region: Armorica Lemovicia Lugdinensis Arvernia Aquitania Transalpine_Gaul Narbonensis Cisalpine_Gaul Venetia Liguria)
- Control Italy (region: Etruria Umbria Latium Calabria Campania Bruttium Apulia)
- Control West Africa (region: Mauretania_Tingitana Numidia Zeugitana Byzacium Tripolitania Mauretania_Massaesili Cydamae Locus_Massyli Mauretania_Salditana Tripolitania_Minor)
- Control Sicily (region: Sicilia_Graecus Sicilia_Romanus Sicilia_Poeni)
- Control South/West Britannia (region: Cuinnacht Tribus_Trinovantes)
- Control Mediterranean Islands ( region: Cyprus Crete Rhodos)
- Control Important Eastern Mediterranean Ports (region: Syria Phoenicia Cyrenaica Attica Ionia Aeolis Achaia Arcadia Cilicia Pamphylia Propontis Nile_Delta)

[LucretiusTC]

How about if we modifyi those victory conditions for Parthia to be closer to those historical borders at its greatest extent? How many settlements it would make? http://www.parthia.com/map_extent.htm or http://americanhistory.si.edu/collec...ages/pamap.jpg


After all the Parthians made it big, and they became one of the winners who ran a relatively long-term Empire (247 BCE - 226 CE). But they never conquered e.g. Egypt that was part of the Achaemenid Empire from time to time. On the hand Parthia had some serious attempts to capture e.g. Syria, Cilicia, and Cappadocia, and they adopted many of those old Persian methods to govern their Empire.
http://www.persianempire.info/parthia11.htm

Luc.

[DimeBagHo]

I would like to move away from the very longs lists of specific regions used for Rome and the GCS - at least in the victory conditions themselves. With the way the UI works, those long lists look messy. We could use the long list to make the in-game map (i.e. the map displayed in the faction info scroll). But in descr_win_conditions.txt I think we should aim to have a shorter list of key regions, and a number for the total size of the empire. The in-game map will be a guide for the player to aim for, but not an exact requirement.

BTW, if someone could volunteer to make the in-game maps, it would speed things up a lot.

[CaesarVincens]

I was thinking that too, Dime. Perhaps we could just have key cities and maybe the "border" cities, if that's not too long a list.

[Barend]

Well, picking some key cities is always beter than the "capture N regions".

I have some suggestions for the victory conditions.

Prolemaic Empire: Create a east mediteranean empire, capture Syria, the Levant, Anatolia and Mesopotamie. This should break the power of the Seleucids and prevents you from fighting the Seleucids most of the time.

Seleucid Empire: Capture Egypt, Anatolia and defeat Bactria and Parthia to secure your eastern borders.

Greek City States: Recreate Magna Graeca (the region of Greek colonisation and influence)

These goals are a little easier to achive then forging a massive empire, and therefore maybe more fun; you won't have to become an all-powerful empire to achive victory. These goals are based more on regional dominance.

[Sebulba]

Here's my proposal:

-Rome: Already set.

-Carthage:western mediterranean shores, spain, western gallic shores and west africa or Italy.

- GCS: Recreate Magna Graecia + hold Greek Cities in greek penisula

- Macedon: Should focus on greece, balkans and maybe south shores of italy

- Ptolemies: Eastern Africa, Syria, Assyria, Cyrene region

- Seleucids: Consolidation of Anatolia, India and capture regions than create Silk Road(Campus Amyrgicum - Ephesus)

- Baktria: India, Parthia and eastern part of the Seleucid empire

- Parthians, Armenians: bringing back the Achmeneid empire

- Pontus: Anatolia plus the bosphoran region and Cappadocia + Colchis.

- Thrace: Balkans, Greece and Bosphoran region, Bithynia and Byzantium

- Scithya: Good to me

- Germans: France, Germany and british isles

- Gauls: France, East Spain and british isles includes Irleand

- Iberians: Spain, West coast France, Sardinia, Corsica, Balearics

- Saba: create na Arabian Empire include Arabia, Egypt and Syria

[LucretiusTC]

About the victory conditions in generally I like the idea of natural geographical borders that would be easy to defend in the long run. For instance the Roman Empire had the Rhine-Danube line in a continental Europe. Here are some more detailed suggestions for those victory conditions.

In the case of Armenians their victory conditions could include the Seleucid, Pontic and Ptolemaic capitals (Seleucia, Antioch, Amasia, Alexandria). Their northern rontier would be Caucasus Mountains (Kotais - Mtskheta - Albana) that should help them to deal with the Scythians. The westernmost cities would Byzantium, Pergamum and Halicarnasus; the easternmost cities would be Hecatompylos, Gabae and Istakhr (Persepolis) and the southernmost city would be Memphis in Lower Egypt. Capturing those classic Eastern capitals (Ecbatana, Susa, Persepolis plus Seleucia and Antioch) would qualify Armenians as the legal followers of the Achaemenids.

In the case of Parthians they should capture the Backtrian, Seleucid, Armenian and Pontic capitals (Bactra, Seleucia, Thospia, Amasia). Besides they should hold their historical capitals (Nisa, Hecatompylos, Zadracarta, Ecbatana, Susa, Seleucia/Ctesiphon) and capture Isthakhr (Persepolis). Their westernmost cities would be then Antioch, Tarsus, Mazaka, Amasia and Sinope; the southernmost city would be Hierosolyma. Parthians might try to capture India too, but I think Egypt would be more natural goal for Armenians.

In the case the Seleucids maybe there could be two alternative strategies to win. In the eastern strategy the Seleucids would capture the Parthian and Bactrian capitals, and would go all the way to India. Besides they should reach the Caucasus Mountains in the north, control the whole Asia Minor from Trapezus to Halicarnasus,and naturally capture the capitals of Armenia, Pontus and the Ptolemies, and secure their position on the Eastern Mediterranean region. On the other hand in the western strategy the Seleucids would mainly defend the eastern borders (Hecatompylos - Gabae - Isthakr) against the Parthians and Backtria, and would more aggressive in the West. They would also try capture all the 7 wonders of the World and their westernmost cities would be Cyrene, Cydonia, Patras and Ambracia including Macedonian and Thracian capitals. Seleucus I and Antiochus III had some plans for Greece and Macedonia too. Besides Greece proper and Aegean Sea regions were valuable to all Hellenistic Kingdoms because they needed new Greek immigrants for their Empires.

In the case of the Scythians they should capture all those northern steppes and Bosporan Kingdom, and after they could expand to Dacia, Pannonia, and Eastern European parts. Besides they should capture the Thracian, Macedonian and Armenian capitals. I mean so-called the First Scythian Kingdom was quite aggressive in the Near East too.

In the case of the Germanic victory conditions we could use some historical guidelines like the Cimbrian war: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimbrian_War


Luc.

[CaesarVincens]

I'm uploading the (incomplete) reduced, key cities win conditions for anyone to take over. It will go faster if one of our researchers continues, so they don't have to wait for a researcher to give them direction.

Anyway, for those who are unfamiliar with edit win conditions, you use the internal province name, so Aegean Thrace is actually Thrace_Minor. It's not hard.

[Barend]

Took a quick look at the key cities, and it looks pretty good. One thing though; why does every faction have to conquer 50 settlements?
The smaller factions have a more limited region with key cities, so why should they expand beyond that area? It would make sense for the smaller factions (Spain, Thrace, maybe Bactria and other eastern factions) to have a more limited number of regions to take.
For the historical great empires (Rome, Carthage, Ptolemies, Seleucids, Macedon, Greeks) to have this large empires can be a good goal.