Extended Cultures Discussion

[Pinkie Pie]

Nothing is interesting unless it is packed with Silver Ninja Wizards

Seleucid Ninja Wizards will rule the world some day. It is known.

[Zarax]

Either you guys lay down that Sarmatian Haoma and Punic hemp or pass it up

[Pinkie Pie]

Woah, I need no hemp to get going. I is naturally hyperactive

[Gotenus]

Clicking on the Massilia, Cyrenica, Bactria, Bosphoran, and Pergamum campaigns sends me back to the provincial campaign list.

[Zarax]

Which build are you using and with which options?

[Predator1994]

Sorry for continuing with this ,but you must solv the following stuff:
1)descriptions for:Getae Elite Phalanx; German Spear Throwers; German Speutas Phalanx; Iberian Auxilia.
2) UI in campain for African Elephants.

These might be minor glitches, but their importance must not be neglected and must be fixed for a better gameplay experience eaven for the test versions.

[Zarax]

And fixed they shall be, just have a little patience.

[Predator1994]

And patient i shall be as i really expect the finel release of XC4.I just sayd that as i had to make them noticed.
I know how much hard work you guys put in this mod and want to wish you good luck with this awsome mod.

[Pinkie Pie]

Did you not make them noticed enough then?

[The_Blacksmith]

Yo dawg, herd u leik elite phalangites


newest test version, they have around 2 of those in every town on E/E

[Zarax]

You have the brains, Seleucids gets the brawns

That said, from the looks of your map the Seleucids are getting gang-raped so you can't really say they are overpowered...
Unless of course you'd like the old thorakitai back, those would be way nastier to face though.

[Pinkie Pie]

I am sorry to say this but based on that picture it seems like the opposite is happening Zarax. They have not lost any l;ands to Armenbia, Pontus, Egypt, Eastern Kingdoms or the Indipendant Greeks.. Unless of course their borders have been changed

[GeoHitmanGR]

You think that Seleucids are overpowered now?
wait for the silver ninja wizards to arrive.

Jokes aside, SE is not overpowered, it's just pretty damn lucky.
most of the time the Ptolemies do not apply enough pressure on them early on which gives them enough time to evolve into a juggernaut.

[The_Blacksmith]

You have the brains, Seleucids gets the brawns

but its not realistic, i would like some REALISM god dammit

Allso the reason why it seems like they are getting their arse filled is that TSE are putting all efford into killing me... and its darn hard to keep playing a mod the doesent reward you for doing good...

Kinda feel like the md is telling me this

[Pinkie Pie]

You get honours for having survived the Silver Death
Although it is not that difficult, I myself have managed it as Pergamum, Pontus, Armenia, Baktria, Parthia, Scythia, Macedonia, Greece, Ptolemaics and Saba.

[Spike]

but its not realistic, i would like some REALISM god dammit

Allso the reason why it seems like they are getting their arse filled is that TSE are putting all efford into killing me... and its darn hard to keep playing a mod the doesent reward you for doing good...

Kinda feel like the md is telling me this

you play on easy/easy and still complain about difficulty?

can't you even grasp the basis of "how to kill elite soldiers with lower quality one" ?

can't you just hold that Silver Shields with steppe infantry (I said hold, don't expect them to win alone by this), and then simply shot at their back with HA? or if you are poor, look for foot archers/slingers (they are even better to do it, just more vulnerable and slower to reach the destination)

if you complain you lost soo many steppe infantry, then you must read that those guys are slaves that literally whipped to battle, meatshields FTW, that was realism - eastern infantry, while not too bad, are best used for meat shields

[Zarax]

but its not realistic, i would like some REALISM god dammit

Allso the reason why it seems like they are getting their arse filled is that TSE are putting all efford into killing me... and its darn hard to keep playing a mod the doesent reward you for doing good...

Kinda feel like the md is telling me this

You want realism yet you want to unrealistically pull an Alexander on them?

Historically the Parthians spent the first fifty years of the game avoiding the Seleucid armies and slowly nibbling what they could when major satrapal rebellions or war with Egypt happened while spending most of their time engaging border conflicts with the satrap of Baktria and the Massagetae.
Whenever a half decent Seleucid emperor was in power and sent an army there they fled and cowered in submission until the Seleucids were crippled by Rome and even then they couldn't take alone on the full might of the empire until Antiochius VII Sidetes.

The Armenians were submitted (although a pretty independent satrapy) to the Seleucids and staid so until the battle of Magnesia.
Even then they had to wait another half century and Tigranes the great before serious expansion.

Pontus was another Seleucid satrapy, actually one in which they happily married in the Seleucid royal family to keep peace and we don't see anything major done by them until Mithradates VI.

The only actual power that had a chance to take on the Seleucids was the Ptolemaic kingdom, with which they had several wars and a pretty even military score until massive Roman intervention.
Yet most of their history was spent with the two powers fighting over Phoenicia and Judaea, but even at its top performance they couldn't maintain any gain due to internal rebellions.
Later on (especially after the battle of Panium) even the Ptolemies could survive mostly thanks to roman support.

History lessons aside, try using subterfuge rather than raw military strength as a power bordering the Seleucids.
Get alliances with the other satraps, incite rebellion in cities near you and sabotage their order buildings (especially the government and temples).

Unlike EB AI doesn't have unlimited money so TSE won't be able to churn elites on long and sustain multiple fronts, making them very vulnerable in the long run.

[Gotenus]

Which build are you using and with which options?

Im using the newest test build. I have all options enabled except for Carthaginian Senate and Loyalty. BI EXE may be the problem. Good luck, Hope you can fix it.

[Zarax]

A new build is available: http://www.wmwiki.com/hosted/cv/xcfi...st23112011.exe

- Several bug fixes
- New Carthaginian and eastern speeches

Enjoy!

[Predator1994]

Hey guys by the way, when do you think the official final release of XC 4 will be?I'm just curious .
Oh and a thought:that Eastern Kingdoms faction has no point in the game in my opinion and should be replaced by something else like
Indian Kingdom or Dacia as or a new German or Gallic country like The Boii or the Belgae.These are just my oppinions and i had to make them known as you may use them if you wish.