mod is very good but a few there is the deficiency
in the game Seljuks soldiers sword is very bad, this wrong
Turks sword is better building owner. for instance
swords is belong to Turks but Ottoman sword is gradually becomes thick
helmet is Ghulam Cavalry
ıron head armor came from central asia
shield is Ottoman or Seljuks Because this species metal long year healthy stay difficult. For this reason I put it looks like goods
Last edited by Hunnic; June 26, 2008 at 09:51 AM.
From what I know, the sabre originated somewhere in Central Asia as early as the 6th-7th century AD, so obviously it has its place in the mod and the Seljuks certainly used it. However, the pictures in this thread are of swords dating from the 16th to the 19th century, and therefore do not quite fit in the timeframe of the mod.
It would be nice to see some real Seljuk sabres, as I am sure they differed from the Ottoman and Persian sword of the 16th century onwards.
Ottoman sword with Seljuks sword between very little difference and 12-13. century belong to weapon find more difficult work
Anatolian Seljuks sword (Janissary inf and Timariot lancers) quite good but Great Seljuks sword is very bad, basic Two, only state!
swords this much differen, become a lot of wrong
Very cool pics. Thanks. When it comes to the issue of swords, according to my research both Seljuks and Ottomans used straight and curved swords or scimitars.
And Ghulam helmets were more used by the Seljuks, later Ottomans used them just for Sipahi cavalry up until the late 1300s. Then the Sipahi heavy cavalry wore turbans.
أسد العراق Asad al-Iraq
KOSOVO IS SERBIA!!!
Under the proud patronage of the magnificent Tzar
The Seljuks would have had a straighter saber at first--those Ottoman blades were very much a different type of saber than the earlier Seljuk ones, and were Persian-derived, taking influence from the Safavid shamshir style.
The first pic attached is an early Turkic saber (like 9th century early I think) , then a museum photo of a medieval Turkic warrior's equipment, either of which would be more accurate to Seljuk weapons depending on the century.
The earliest yataghans known date as late as the early 16th century, and they are in essence a long, heavily decorated knife (see the one in the Met, which belonged to Suleyman the Great). I think they have no place in the mod.
ShayanMirza, all the evidence suggests that it was actually the Persians, who acquired the sabre from the Turks, not the other way around. Even Persian-centric writers on the subject as Mr. Khorasani agree with this. Before the Seljuks the Persian swords were straight, and only later we tend to see sabres in the Persian miniatures, obviously brought there by invading Turks.
As for the typical Ottoman hilt, I think what is attributed to the Ottomans might actually have been a Mameluke creation. For a pure Ottoman sword, I think one needs to look at earlier examples and my favorite is the sword of Mehmet II Fatih, the conqueror of Constantinople. My feeling is that it is much closer to earlier Seljuk swords in blade and hilt shape than the 19th century swords people insist on posting in this thread.
Last edited by Kavhan Isbul; June 27, 2008 at 12:43 PM.