Cvria Ivlia, Consulate of Lepidvs/Caesar(II)

[Born To Folk]

ooc: the save been going round the proconsuls they must of missed me out. i haven't had the save

[Snowball]

Unless i am terribly mistaken, we already voted and agreed on the current plan. Changing it now, while our consul is out working with the previous plan would be, i think, most destructive...

[chaplain118]

nihil est malior quam inimicus invictus. Nonne Anchises dicit: "parcere subiectis et debellare superbos." Graeci, mei senatores, sunt populi superbi. Ne foedera petivimus! Aut Graeci victi, aut nihil!

ooc: And can we stop using senatore as an address now? The vocative is still senator, sorry, it's just that bad Latin makes me cringe.

[Pontifex Maximus]

I understand abouthalf of what you said, but either way, I think we should stick to good 'ol english here because I don't want to use a translator..

[chaplain118]

Alrighty then

There is nothing worse than an unconquered enemy. Did Anchises not tell us that we spare those having been conquered and to war down the arrogant. My senators, the Greeks are an arrogant people. We do not seek a treaty (of moderation in our conquest). Either the Greeks are conquered, or nothing!

[Gaius Julius Civilis]

Senators,

Too often have we been lulled into a false sense of security by alliances or formal peace treaties. Too often has the Greek king Archidamus the Insane broken treaties and vows before his and our Gods! He will not rest until either Rome burns and the senate bows before him or before he is utterly conquered and we can take him to Rome in chains.

As no-one here could possibly want the shame of having to pass under the Greek yoke, I suggest we destroy the Greek nation completely and utterly. Let "Sparta must be destroyed" be our rallying cry and let us never more be caught off-guard by Greek treachery!

DELENDA EST SPARTA!

[KoS]

My fellow Romans,

I second the motion proposed by Senator Falco. The Greeks have done nothing else but repeatedly and maliciously offending us; and that king of theirs, Archidamus or whatever that madman calls himself, would not know a Roman blade pointed toward him from one of his own. As works best with all attacks, we should strike quickly and with the element of surprise. May we make it so that not one of those trecherous Greeks will even dare to set foot in Roman lands until five hundred years after the last of our great-grand children have died, for fear of himself being killed!

Yes, alas, my mother was a Greek. But understand that her father was a true Roman, and this excludes the likes of her kind from my contempt. But she was born in Athens, to a good, tradition-minded Greek family - not to a kinsman of the Spartan lunatic that has wronged us on this day.

And now, with the moment of decision upon us, I shall utter the declaration of my undying hate toward all those who would serve that crazed fool, who at this very moment sits upon his throne in Sparta, unaware that the great state of Latium now collectively rises to arms to seal his doom: DELENDA EST SPARTA!

[Snowball]

I agree with senator falco, the greeks must fall completely!

Destroy their armies! burn their cities and enslave their people!!


DELENDA EST SPARTA!!

[apple]

Why, why hunt down an enemy who already lies injured in the grass.
This is not the Rome as I once know,
we did not fought the first greek war because we wanted to
conquer there lands,
we did it to help the suppressed population.

I will not give you my suport in this question.
Conquer the city of Sparta, kill the king and realise the people.

[Winter]

ooc: To answer your questions, I will begin the offensive as soon as someone decides to send the the save.

Also, you cant pass a motion telling me how to deal with Sparta or the king as it would be a challenge to my imperium.

[Gaius Julius Civilis]

My friend, we did not ask for this second war, nor did we ask for the first one. They were both the result of Greek megalomania. They attacked us twice, without proper cause or prior warning. We had done them no harm, we were even allied with them, and how did they reward us for our trust? They betrayed us!

They are not lying injured in the grass, they are waiting for our moment of weakness, our extended hand, so they can bite us once more. Do not be lulled into a false sense of security again, Marcus, we may not survive it!

Therefore I conclude that there is only one solution: The Hellenic League must be wiped from the face of this earth! Delenda est Sparta!

ooc: Just venting my opinion as to what should happen after the cities mentioned in your imperium are conquered, it is no motion.

[Caesar Rex]

Greece will feel the full wrath of the gladius.
There will be no peace or ceasefires.
The Hellenic war will end with the downfall of an empire.

[RVFVS]

Senators!

I for this time agree with Senator Falco and Senator Tarquinius! Greece is not the place to be left alone. If we take only Macedonia the Greeks still hvae Sparta...their capital. And with their insane king at the helm the Greek Empire will no no bounds when it come to treachery. When they have rebuilt they will simply attack us again...that said I do not know if their Germanic lands are worth taking...maybe just taking them and gifteing them to...the Germans so thta they be our protectorate would be the best course of action. A good counter balance to the Gauls...

Caesar sits...

[Snowball]

Kindness and peace has not worked with the greeks thus far, none can say we have not tried to be friendly.
The time for that has passed though, they will feel the wrath of our soldiers, and the scorn of defeat!
Greece must never rise again, DELENDA EST SPARTA!

[Marcus Licinus Crassus117]

Senators it is our duty to destroy the Greeks...I agree with Caesar's plan. We should take everything and gift the high northern lands to the germans to counter the Gallic, and I hate to say it, Empire. It is our duty to the plebs!

[Xavier Dragnesi]

I think it can be confirmed that everyone wants the Greeks fully destroyed. Plus, looking from the tactical side of things, taking just Macedonia makes it harder to hold it. As if the Greeks attack, then they can hit us from both north and south and we will be hard pressed to defend against that.

[Philos Sophos]

"I agree with the plan that we must destroy Greece and conquer sparta,but we can't go too far.Conquering the lands in the North from Greece wouldn't be good for us because of the Gallic threat there.I suggest me take Greece and Macedonia first.

Delenda Est Sparta!"

[RVFVS]

Once again I suggest that we take the northern lands and give them to the Germans...it would be a good counterbalance to the Gauls.

[Snowball]

What then, if the germans grow strong?

We would essentially be replacing one barbarian menace with another!

[Xavier Dragnesi]

But Senators, look at it this way. If we conquer enough of Northern Greece, it is true that we reach the Gallic threat once more, but if you look from the other side of the argument,it also allows us to hit Gaul from two sides. True, we don't want to expand too far north before the Gauls are conquered, and that extra land can be given to the Germans or something, but we must use that bit of northern land to launch further offensives on Gaul.