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    Only thing is there were only about 48 Jagd Tigers made, and many met their fate in the Ardennes and many were abandoned intact because of mechanical breakdown an lack of fuel.Chris
    With just a very slight correction I think that there was 85 of them produced (like a said not a great difference)

    http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz12.htm

    "In the Summer of 1945, US Army tested captured Jagdtiger, which was able to penetrate frontal armor plate of M26 General Pershing at 2100 meters"

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    That 4.6km shot by the Nashorn against the JSII is most likley BS, unless it was a very, very lucky and rare side, rear or top shot.
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    While I do agree this was nowhere near the norm, though with the severe amount of engagements and shells fired throughout the war, Im not too suprised about some of the things from the very reputable Achtung Panzer website

    http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzerj...sd-kfz-164.htm

    "It is reported that in early March of 1945, Lieutenant Beckmann from sPzJagAbt 88 destroyed Soviet IS-2 at the range of 4600 meters near Marzdorf."

    "Some Nashorn crews reported that they were able to knock out Soviet T-34 tanks at distance as great as 4000 meters. Nashorn crews also reported numerous kills of KV and IS-2 tanks as well as SU-152, ISU-122 and ISU-152 assault guns."

    I highly recomend the Achtung Panzer website for its critically researched website, and their forum if you wish to discuss anything about ww2 tanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christof139 View Post
    As for lucky shots and the one you are speaking of in North Africa, I believe a Stuart with its 37mm knocked out a Tiger I with a lucky shot jamming the Tiger I's turret traverse, and then the Stuart maneuvered around to the rear of the Tiger I and blasted the rear engine compartment plate and knocked out the engine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FarKenal View Post
    With just a very slight correction I think that there was 85 of them produced (like a said not a great difference)

    http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz12.htm
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    Totals range from about 77 to 88 produced from July 1944 to May of 1945. Approximately 48 from July 1944 to the end of December 1944; 36 from January to April 1945,

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    Quote Originally Posted by christof139 View Post
    That 4.6km shot by the Nashorn against the JSII is most likley BS, unless it was a very, very lucky and rare side, rear or top shot.

    Chris
    The Soviets actually tested the JSII against a captured german 7,5cm gun and found out that it was able to penetrate the tank from any side from as far as 600m away. Which is what led to the sloped armor on the JSIII.

    The 88 mm Pak 43/1 L/71 used in the Nashorn was one of the most powerful german guns, so I don't think it's that unrealistic. Lucky yes, but not unrealistic.


    As for Jagdtiger production numbers. Good source tells me that it's 77, Chassis numbers 305001-305077.
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    According to the book Jagdtiger: operational history 88 Jagdtigers were build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknight_1990 View Post
    According to the book Jagdtiger: operational history 88 Jagdtigers were build.
    I have the same book

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    I don't. I went by "Encyclopedia of German Tanks of World War Two" which is pretty accurate on facts.

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    Yes, I have seen varying figures on the number of Jagd Tigers produced, so 48 to 88, not much difference, still very low and inconsequential. The Flak 98 also had superior penetrative capability than the JT's 128mm gun, and I think the Flak 98 was supposed to be used in some future German tanks along with the good old L/71 88mm.

    Sloped armor was used before the T-34/76 on USA Christie tanks (the few made) and Soviet BT tanks, but the armor was of course thin for these light tanks.

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    Still question remains, Jagdtiger, yes or no as a tank?

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    Tank destroyer. The name gives it away.
    The Jagdpanzer IV was a tank destroyer developed against the wishes of Heinz Guderian. Its large gun and heavy frontal armor led to poor mobility and made them difficult to operate in rough terrain, leading their crews to nickname them Guderian Ente; Guderian's Duck.

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    So that leaves King Tiger as teh most powerful tank I guess...

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    Maybe JSIII since it may have been used in Berlin and in manchuria, but the KT's gun was better and it may very well be that the armor of the JSIII was better than the KT's armor. Then there are some of the USA heavy tanks that were produced and tested OK that never were put into mass produciotn, and they were very powerfully armed and armored.

    So, say 'Most powerful mass produced tank seeing combat' for the title of the thread to clarify, then it is a toss-up between the KT and JSIII. Disregarding the JSIII's elusive combat record, then it is the KT.

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    I wonder where would most useful tank debate lead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by czePowerslave View Post
    I wonder where would most useful tank debate lead?
    Yes. This topic is droll. Who cares how powerful a tank is. I would rather have a more useful tank. Like the lighter German tanks outmaneuvering the much heavier British tanks and shelling them from behind...

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    The "funnies" were very useful

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    well, in that case, you can't really beat the sherman (in terms of usefulness) for its adaptability, reliability, and it's ability to be produced in far greater numbers than Germany's tanks - it was used as a basis for many of Hobart's "Funnies" - flamethrowers, mineclearers, DD tanks all spring to mind - wasn't there a version of the sherman fitted with a 105 mm Howitzer?
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    Who cares about the gun or the armor. It's the looks that count:


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    Quote Originally Posted by rory o'kane View Post
    well, in that case, you can't really beat the sherman (in terms of usefulness) for its adaptability, reliability, and it's ability to be produced in far greater numbers than Germany's tanks - it was used as a basis for many of Hobart's "Funnies" - flamethrowers, mineclearers, DD tanks all spring to mind - wasn't there a version of the sherman fitted with a 105 mm Howitzer?
    In that respect, the Churchill would kick it's ass; Oke, Crocodile, AVRE, Toad, ARV, Ark, Goat, Great Eastern, Kangaroo, Bobbin, Fascine.

    The reason why the British and Canadian beaches were taken easily relative to the American beaches, where there were no such specialised tanks, relying instead upon US Sherman DD's - the majority of which sank.
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    how do you suggest a battleship fire directly at tanks...?
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    I don't suggest it. Battleships were, believe it or not, not anti-tank weapons.

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    Like a tank could swim lol.
    My vote goes to Panzer IV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus the Irish View Post
    In that respect, the Churchill would kick it's ass; Oke, Crocodile, AVRE, Toad, ARV, Ark, Goat, Great Eastern, Kangaroo, Bobbin, Fascine.

    The reason why the British and Canadian beaches were taken easily relative to the American beaches, where there were no such specialised tanks, relying instead upon US Sherman DD's - the majority of which sank.
    The Shermans at Omaha on D-Day sank because of the very rough seas, not because they couldn't wim. They were also used successfully in small numbers during the Rhine River crossings.

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