The Hagia Sofia is truly wonderful. Thers something about it that attracts me, draws me in.
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The Hagia Sofia is truly wonderful. Thers something about it that attracts me, draws me in.
lol
Praeses
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doN't worry men they are being looked after well...my problem is the growing population though. I mean if I were the governer I'd buld even extra walls to fit these beauties to make the old soul more alive.Originally Posted by AnthoniusII
Guys the photos are great...
To all our Turkish friends...Please guys help to save those bauties!
They belong to you now and it is part of your history too...
Don't let some people to destroy them just becouse your people didn't build them....Save them!!!!!After all the valour of the defeated determines the valour of the winner!
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Domesticus
Re: the defences of istanbul!
Excellent photos, I know some part of the Thedosian wall have undergone some form of restoration. We should poke Unesco to help in their restoration cause with the current crisis I doupt the goverment of turkey has money to spare for these.
I for one am worried more for nature, as I keep reading how a major earthquacke is expected in the region sometime in the near future.
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One of the greatest cities in the world Istanbul. Glad the Ottomans kept it intact.
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Praeses
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Ottomans loved the city and contributed as much as they could....not to mention they also declared themselves Roman(which is sort of a fashion back then)
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So did the Russian Czar who married a princess from Constantinople. Doesnt make it true though.
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Praeses
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well my point was that Ottomans loved Istanbul and contributed to it as if they were Romans.
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Re: the defences of istanbul!
It's part of your culture and if anything it would only attract a load of tourist to Istanbul if that wall (or just sections of it) was fully restored.
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Sorry, I got your point and I agree with you completely.
I hope they do restore the walls and other historical sections of the city. Sea walls, towers, barracks, I certainly cant wait until I can see the city myself.
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nice
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Centenarius
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I've been there 2 years ago, I clearly remember the lower picture, that's the way I got inHey.....I was there too(well I live in Istanbul)
but not for touristic reasons...there was a basketball match
Funny I live in this city for 18 years and I love history...yet I haven't travelled well enough for looking at historical stuff.
and as for extra contirbution. Hagia Sofia
And beside it stands another wonder
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It looks like much of the walls and fortfications overall are in a quite bad condition, that's really sad, i really hope that Constantinopel will be restored to it's former shape, just like the crusader fortress on the island of Rhodes.
Carl
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I get you there, but with modern society cheap 5-star hotels with thousands of Rooms are better to invest in.
@Carl von döbeln
Theres a lot of Cars and Traffic in Istanbul and this makes it hard for such old walls, atleast some parts are restored, even in colour.
Praeses
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that Crusader castle is pretty damn well restored.
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Cool and normal
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yeah the restoration has to be balanced with the needs of the many millions of people who live there.. if the walls are restored completely, they would act as complete traffic bottlenecks, so some parts are destined to be removed simply for the sake of the residents.
i have to admit though as well, i enjoyed the fact that when i walked along the walls, they were not just a tourist hotspot. in fact, we were the only tourists out there at all.. they are a living part of the city. the restored parts give you a good idea of what they looked like until a couple of hundred years ago, but the rest of the walls are used to shelter gardens, to act as walkways and are a part of the living city. this would be lost if the walls were all restored cheaply for tourists.
istanbul is not and shouldnt become a theme park dedicated to its own history.
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Miles
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Actually why people want to visit Istanbul is that it is the intersection of two major cultures as Roman/Greek and Turkic/Arap culture.
Just consider the Sultanahmet square (if you know). At the same square there is the Hagia Sophia and Blue Mosque. That makes Istanbul a great place
P.S: We do not like Constantinople name for İstanbul since it was changed during Ottoman period
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Actually why people want to visit Istanbul is that it is the intersection of two major cultures as Roman/Greek and Turkic/Arap culture.
Just consider the Sultanahmet square (if you know). At the same square there is the Hagia Sophia and Blue Mosque. That makes Istanbul a great place
P.S: We do not like Constantinople name for İstanbul since it was changed during Ottoman period
But myself is a found of Greek culture and the combination of Greek and Turkish Islam culture
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Re: the defences of istanbul!
It was changed to Istanbul from Konstantiniyye AFTER the ottoman empire fell...Actually why people want to visit Istanbul is that it is the intersection of two major cultures as Roman/Greek and Turkic/Arap culture.
Just consider the Sultanahmet square (if you know). At the same square there is the Hagia Sophia and Blue Mosque. That makes Istanbul a great place
P.S: We do not like Constantinople name for İstanbul since it was changed during Ottoman period
But myself is a found of Greek culture and the combination of Greek and Turkish Islam culture
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Re: the defences of istanbul!
No doubt about that but still Hagia Sophia and the Walls are like trademarksActually why people want to visit Istanbul is that it is the intersection of two major cultures as Roman/Greek and Turkic/Arap culture.
Just consider the Sultanahmet square (if you know). At the same square there is the Hagia Sophia and Blue Mosque. That makes Istanbul a great place
P.S: We do not like Constantinople name for İstanbul since it was changed during Ottoman period
But myself is a found of Greek culture and the combination of Greek and Turkish Islam culture
Quem faz injúria vil e sem razão,Com forças e poder em que está posto,Não vence; que a vitória verdadeira É saber ter justiça nua e inteira-He who, solely to oppress,Employs or martial force, or power, achieves No victory; but a true victory Is gained,when justice triumphs and prevails.
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Praeses
Re: the defences of istanbul!
Well palaces of Ottomans have built and bosphorus as well as Istiklal avenue also attracts loads of tourists.No doubt about that but still Hagia Sophia and the Walls are like trademarks
And the grand bazaar even though it'splace.
"Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner. On the contrary, we must try to help the dogmatists to clarify their propositions for themselves. Thus, communism, in particular, is a dogmatic abstraction; in which connection, however, I am not thinking of some imaginary and possible communism, but actually existing communism as taught by Cabet, Dézamy, Weitling, etc. This communism is itself only a special expression of the humanistic principle, an expression which is still infected by its antithesis – the private system. Hence the abolition of private property and communism are by no means identical, and it is not accidental but inevitable that communism has seen other socialist doctrines – such as those of Fourier, Proudhon, etc. – arising to confront it because it is itself only a special, one-sided realisation of the socialist principle."
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