1st Crusade?

[Basil 11]

Is there a way to script the game so that the First Crusade happened as it did in reality? Also - I have just had a thought - will it be possible for the KoJ to be able to be able to accept Byzantium's sovereignty when it emerges? In other words, they could maybe provide Byzantium with unlimited tribute and military access in exchange for military support?

I was just wondering if this would be possible, as this would be both historically accurate, and would add depth to the campaign's politics.

[Brammius]

I also wonder if it would be possible to stop deserting after a very short period of not moving towards target. Sometimes I think its stupid that in a crusade you can only capture one city/castle because of the deserting . In reality the crusades captured more places than just Jerusalem. So I hope it would be possible to extend time time before soldiers desert but to maintain ballance the time between crusades being called should be increased.(ofcourse this is just a sugestion )

[OdinX]

agree. but might have something to do with hard-coding.

[Basil 11]

I also wonder if it would be possible to stop deserting after a very short period of not moving towards target. Sometimes I think its stupid that in a crusade you can only capture one city/castle because of the deserting . In reality the crusades captured more places than just Jerusalem. So I hope it would be possible to extend time time before soldiers desert but to maintain ballance the time between crusades being called should be increased.(ofcourse this is just a sugestion )

This would be pretty good also... :hmmm:

[Kthullu]

I usually capture cities along the way, just move with siege equipment and some spies

[Azim]

Is there a way to script the game so that the First Crusade happened as it did in reality?

What exactly do you mean?

Also - I have just had a thought - will it be possible for the KoJ to be able to be able to accept Byzantium's sovereignty when it emerges? In other words, they could maybe provide Byzantium with unlimited tribute and military access in exchange for military support?

That's an interesting idea. We're considering similar connections between other factions. I'll run this past the researchers.

I also wonder if it would be possible to stop deserting after a very short period of not moving towards target.

I'm pretty sure that's hard coded, but I'll double check.

[Basil 11]

I mean, will it be joined by the factions that it did in real history, and start at the date it did etc...

[Azim]

With historical events, we are using conditions rather than dates. We haven't added the first crusade yet, but if we do, it will probably fire when a muslim faction takes Jerusalem, or when the Byzantines loose a town to the Turks rather than triggering at a specific date.

[Basil 11]

With historical events, we are using conditions rather than dates. We haven't added the first crusade yet, but if we do, it will probably fire when a muslim faction takes Jerusalem, or when the Byzantines loose a town to the Turks rather than triggering at a specific date.

This is a good idea.
But, I have just had a thought - how about enabling the Byzantine player to ask for the crusade?? :hmmm:

[Azim]

That's a good idea. I'll add that in if/when we make a crusade script.

[Basil 11]

That's a good idea. I'll add that in if/when we make a crusade script.

yay! I hope it is implemented - I would be proud to have contributed to this brilliant mod (even if only a tiny bit )

[OdinX]

I'm pretty sure that's hard coded, but I'll double check.

Have you figured out if the time for deserting is hard coded?

[Azim]

I'm sorry for forgetting to answer your question. Thank you for reminding me. Now I have a nagging feeling that I told someone else that I would answer a question for them too...

Anyway I looked for some disband modifiers, and I found them in descr_campaign_db.xml

<crusades>
<required_jihad_piety int="4" />
<max_disband_progress float="20.0" />
<near_target_no_disband_distance float="4.0" />
<disband_progress_window float="3" />
<crusade_called_start_turn float="20" />
<jihad_called_start_turn float="20" />
<movement_points_modifier float="2.0" />
</crusades>

That give's us crusade.max_disband_progress, crusade.disband_progress_window, and crusade.near_target_no_disband_distance to work with. I'll have to mess around with these for a bit to see exactly what they do, but they look pretty promising.

[OdinX]

thanks for replying, and no problems.

[aduellist]

I'm sorry for forgetting to answer your question. Thank you for reminding me. Now I have a nagging feeling that I told someone else that I would answer a question for them too...

Anyway i looked for some disband modifiers, and I found them in descr_campaign_db.xml


That give's us crusade.max_disband_progress, crusade.disband_progress_window, and crusade.near_target_no_disband_distance to work with. I'll have to mess around with these for a bit to see exactly what they do, but they look pretty promising.

Most are pretty self-explanatory, a few are not.

<required_jihad_piety int="4" /> = minimum piety to join a Jihad
<max_disband_progress float="20.0" /> = ? not sure, but I think lower means less desertion
<near_target_no_disband_distance float="4.0" /> = distance in tiles from target at which desertion stops
<disband_progress_window float="3" /> = ? not sure of exact meaning, but IIRC setting to 0 stops desertion
<crusade_called_start_turn float="20" /> = number of turns after one crusade before another can be called
<jihad_called_start_turn float="20" /> = same as above for jihads
<movement_points_modifier float="2.0" /> = movement modifier for crusades, in this case a crusade army gets twice its normal movement points

Setting <near_target_no_disband_distance float="400.0" />, for example, means that once your 400 tiles from target (a looong ways away), desertion stops. Playing with that value can give the ability to essentially say "Once my Crusading army reaches the Holy Land it can pretty much do whatever it wants".

Edit: According to several threads in the Mod Workshop, setting <max_disband_progress float="0" /> also disables desertion.

[The Cobra]

I think that all 8 crusades should be as events, no more asking the pope for a crusade. it would be very sweet

[Walkman810i]

I have to agree with Mr. thecobra007 aka T3h Pirate. That would be indeed pretty aswell as historically accurate.

[The Cobra]

Arrr.

[Azim]

Thanks for the info aduellist.

Walkman: we haven't yet started work on crusade mechanics, but replacing the built in crusades is an option.

[Walkman810i]

Ok, at least you guys can think about it. It would be much more interesting.

Although I'm not rly sure if it would work well even with your 2 turns per year system since the Crusades took place "quite often" and lasted 1-4 years max and some were complete failtures.