Lore and War

**Code_Knight** · May 27, 2008, 06:28 PM

this thread has turned into spam, but it's too funny to delete

**Antiochos VII Sidetes** · May 27, 2008, 07:04 PM

I know...

**Fenix_120** · May 27, 2008, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by The Sixth Wizard

But yeah, elves would never aid orcs.

I seem to recall a part from the hobbit about Legolas's father telling the Dwarves that he even shows his mercy to Orcs, and that the only creatures that they slay without pity are Dragons and the giant demon Spiders of mirkwood.

**Mithrandir** · May 28, 2008, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by The Sixth Wizard

Orcs would NEVER ally with elves.

They have consistently hated each other since the birth of their very races. The one is only in existence through an act of pure hatred for the other!

N.E.V.E.R. Men, maybe. Elves, no way.

I could see Gondor's or Rohan's people being corrupted (Gondor even suspects Rohan of sending horses to Sauron in the books). The Haradrim might ally against Sauron if persuaded, and dwarves may aid Sauron likewise.

But yeah, elves would never aid orcs.

We're not forcing you to ally elves with orcs, we're just giving you the option. Just becuase it CAN be done doesn't mean it HAS to be done, and if you think it's wrong, then have it your way. Just don't meddle with other people's campaigns - this is Total War, not Restricted War...

**Varjon** · May 28, 2008, 11:43 AM

I think that people are worried that in their campaign AI elves and AI orcs ally with each other.

**The Big Red 1** · May 28, 2008, 07:20 PM

Is there a way to keep AI from allying with each other?

**Mithrandir** · May 29, 2008, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Varjon

I think that people are worried that in their campaign AI elves and AI orcs ally with each other.

Originally Posted by The Big Red 1

Is there a way to keep AI from allying with each other?

Make them start with the highest possible level of antagonism. That way, they won't ally unless you're controlling one of them, and even if you are, it would be hard. Also, they should start out as enemies, making it even less likely for an AI alliance between the two.

**Gampie** · May 29, 2008, 10:16 AM

Yes, give them "abysmal relations" and let them start at war with each other. Besides that, you can still edit the diplomacy AI and make it harder to make an alliance.

Or... you can delete all diplomats or their ability to propose an alliance. That'll keep them hostile.

**whitewolfmxc** · May 29, 2008, 10:18 AM

a script should be manually trigger by player to chose with the whole game is on blinded alliances or free play with you dont trigger it

(So you can trigger it any time you load a game , so after defeating all the bad guys you can stop trigger it ? XD)

**Varjon** · May 29, 2008, 10:21 AM

Those things are insagly what I've been thinking

but didn't Code_Knight say that factions begin with mixed/neutral relations to every faction

? I'm not sure did he say that but I think that he did.

**aesthete** · May 29, 2008, 05:12 PM

@ Varjon: No, he didn't. That was a suggestion that someone threw out there, but not one that he's confirmed

BTW, anyone else notice that this thread's pretty much come full circle, with all the ideas I suggested at the beginning of the thread having been posted recently? Just sayin'.