Middle-earth's Population at the end of Third Age

[Varjon]

Ok, first of all I know that there were already thread called population, but it was about concerning quite different subject. I post here some numbers of population of Middle-Earth at the end of Third Age. I have got my informations from finnish LotR forum which was about same subject: http://keskustelu.kontu.info/viewtop...er=asc&start=0 I already posted some numbers in other thread about Eriador's population but now I give you total population of all areas, hope this helps the team members.

Btw, sorry for that this list doesn't include orcs and goblins (Isengard, Mordor, Misty Mts). I would throw as my own guess probably even few millions.

First some human regions.

Gondor
500 000- 1 000 000

Rohan
50 000-100 000, might be even little bigger

Minas Tirith
15 000,
15 000-25 000,
20 000-50 000

Umbar
at least 100 000

Esgaroth
before Smaug 10000
after Smaug with surrounding areas 1000-5000

Dunland
20000-50000

Rhovanion
10 000-20 000, I always thought only couple hundreds

Brii
1000-1500 (human), this has been counted from the number of houses in Bree (Tolkien talked about 100 stonehouses), there have probably lived twice as much in surrounding areas of Bree

Harad
200000-500000, if you count Umbar

Rhun
200000-500000, pretty much same as Harad

Then some hobbit numbers.

Shire
50000-100000, Heh, I wonder who came up with this , but maybe it's good guess cause hobbits didn't really die in conflicts and they had lots of children in most of families.

Hobbits of Bree
500-1000

Let's take a look at dwarves.

In the communities of known Middle-Earth (Erebor, Iron Mts, Ered Luin)
10000-20000

And as the last but not the least elves!

Rivendell
Some hundreds

Grey Havens, Harlond, Forlond
Some thousands

Lothlórien
Some thousands

Thranduil's halls
Some thousands, probably biggest population, as much as in Rivendell, Grey Havens, Harlond, Forlond and Lothlórien together or even more.

Sorry for bad accuracy in elven populations, but it's a bit harder because Tolkien didn't speak too much about the sizes of elven armies at the end of Third Age.

EDIT: I'm also glad to receive guesses and knowledge about population of Middle-Earth at the end of Third Age.

[< Shved >]

Interesting! Thx for informations

[Varjon]

@ < Shved >

No problem . But some numbers don't maybe fit to this mod and Total War. For example it isn't even possible to set Michel Delving's population 100000, even there might have been lived that much hobbits at the end of Thrid Age.

But luckily some of them fit to this mod . Such as Rohan, Gondor, Dwarves and Elves can have same total population as in my previous message.

[ccllnply]

Very interesting. Although the population of Bree seems a bit small. And 20,000 plus Dunlanders(of whatever they're called) seems big especially after the end of the War of the Ring. And for Umbar, is that the area or just the city?

[< Shved >]

2 small regions and 2 city - Umbar & South Umbar

[Varjon]

@ ccllnply

Yea, I thought same about the Bree also in the beginning. The total population is probably 3000-5000 but in the town of Bree was 1000-1500 (human) . Let me explain: Tolkien mentioned in LotR that there were 100 stonehouses in Bree. These were big houses and there were average about 10-15 residents per house. So even a dummy can count 100x10 or 100x15 is 1000 or 1500.

Then about Dunlendings, these numbers have been count from the beginning of the War of the Ring so probably there were some thousands lesser people after WotR but I have always had this feeling that dunlendings breeded like rats so I'm pretty confident that there were even 20000-50000 people in the beginning of WotR.

And for Umbar, I think there has been counted people of the coastals near umbar and the city itself. :hmmm:

[Varjon]

I think many people are amazed about that population of Shire so I think I should explain more.

Size of area is 25 mil = 50000 km˛ and that's over twice as big area as Israel so Shire is quite big place. Israel's population is over 7 millions so does it sound impossible that in Shire - which is more fruitful area than Israel - would have population of 100000-200000 ? Not to me.

[Lü Bu]

Maths,i just hate it.

[Varjon]

@ karlost123456789

Well my maths is 7 (american grade = C), so this doesn't need too much brains.

[ccllnply]

Even at that its a big ask for Karlost

[Deckster]

I think Bree's population is small because that is just Bree town, but I believe there were three or four other towns in the Bree area with mostly human populations. I can't remember their names, but I'm sure other towns around Bree were mentioned in FotR.

[Lü Bu]

we wont be rude to ech other dont we!!

[Varjon]

@ Deckster

Yea, there were couple other smaller towns and that's why I said that there was probably twice as much around the Bree Mountain as in Bree town

[Antiochos VII Sidetes]

Interesting...Really a million people in Gondor? The full muster was only 7000-some, at the battle of the Black Gate. What happened to the rest of them?

[Code_Knight]

Even at that its a big ask for Karlost

don't be rude.....

anyway, where was this info found?

[King Ardumanish]

i don't think gondorian pop is that impossible..... they have quite a big army..... ca 10000 soldiers in minas tirith during battle of pelennor fields...... many other soldier in pelargir..... there are also soldiers in dol amroth and other parts of gondor left...... all in all they have maybe ca 20-30.000 soldiers..... and for this big army they have have a big population.... at least i think of 400.000

[Varjon]

@ Code_Knight

I posted already a link where these informations are in my first message. These have been researched from Tolkien's production and from HoME.

[Mithrandir]

I think Bree's population is small because that is just Bree town, but I believe there were three or four other towns in the Bree area with mostly human populations. I can't remember their names, but I'm sure other towns around Bree were mentioned in FotR.

Do you mean Combe, Staddle and Archet?

[Ben2441]

The population of Middle Earth was very sparse towards the end of the Third Age. Depleated numbers of Elves and Dwarves were becoming apparent. I do not believe tha there would have been so many inhabitants of Middle Earth. Minas Tirth is not a big as it appears. A population of maybe only about 6000-10000 if that.

[Presbiter]

agreed, gondor have seen better days