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    Default Real Recruitment **UPDATE May 29**

    NOTE: THIS IS SAVE-GAME COMPATIBLE (run 1 turn to take effect)

    Latest update May 29th

    ***DOWNLOAD AND NOTES AT END OF POST***

    Real Recruitment 1.0 for SS6.1
    Introduction
    Real Recruitment ('RR') is an attempt to more accurately simulate the dynamics of recruiting, retention and training during the medieval period covered by the M2TW game. It also includes an ERA system that ensures units are available during the approximately correct historical timeframe. It is integrated with Real Combat 1.5 for SS6.1.

    RR divides the units in the game into 9 separate categories, each with different factors that influence unit availability, training time, recruitment cost and upkeep. The 9 categories are: Feudals, Early Professionals, Late Professionals, Urban Professionals, Urban Militias, Locals, Rural Levies, Religious Order and Mercenaries (a list of units by category will be attached).

    Design notes follow. Note that, although they may seem complex, the game can be played in exactly the same manner as normal. The detail is for those who want some background and are interested in what is happening behind the scenes.


    Goals of Real Recruitment
    Realistic Army Composition
    So far there are always one or two unit types that dominate the AI armies and the player is likewise not motivated to use armies, that, at least roughly, resemble those of history, when he can afford an elite army. Typical european armies consisted of a core of knights, ie heavy cavalry with at least the same amount of light cavalry, if not more, a small contigent of heavy infantry (at first mostly noble infantry and it´s amount would increase later on as well) accompanied by conscripted peasants and semi-professional urban militias and, according to the culture, between a fourth and half of the infantry armed with ranged weapons. These armies would be supplemented by a single or two special units (for europeans mounted archers for instance) and an artillery park according to the age, bolstered by some mercenaries. For eastern armies the special units would be the heavy cavalry, while the melee cavalry would be substituted by light and heavy horse archers. In general the amount of cavalry would be higher and the infantry mostly equipped with bows, with only a comparatively small part equipped for melee. RR attempts to create the conditions that encourage realistic army composition.

    Encourage Increased Use of Mercenaries
    In an age where mercenaries played a crucial part in warfare, RR implements a cost and availability structure around most units recruitable by the player such that the use of mercenaries is more desirable, and attempts to make mercenaries useful and necessary without letting them dominate the campaign. The value of mercenaries is closely linked to the availability of the normal unit roster. The more problems we make to recruit regular units of the faction the more valuable mercenaries will become. When military desasters like Crecy left a kindgom with insufficent trained manpower (=reduced replacement rates), when major conflicts exceed the military potential of a state (=balanced pool sizes of recruitable units in settlements) or time is running out (=some units take longer than one turn to train), European rulers frequently relied on bands of mercenaries to wage their wars.

    Historical Accuracy In Regard of the Appearence of Unit Types
    The vanilla recruitment system leads to ahistorical situations, in which units that were quite common at an age are placed at the end of the tech tree or their appearence occurs far before their time. RR attempts to ensure that units appear during the approximately correct historical timeframe.

    Making Military Disasters Have More Impact
    Following on from the above, it can take some time to recruit a capable, large army. If that army is subsequently destroyed it can take some time to recover.

    Trying to Represent the Advantages and Disadvantages of Each Faction's Unit Mix
    Historically, each faction's unit mix had a certain 'flavour'. For example, France relied heavily upon Heavy Cavalry and Nobles and was one of the first to move to a professional force, England her archers, Lithuania had a very 'Early'-style roster with lots of Nobles, Early Professionals and Militia (+ Religious Order), Mongol Forces are largely derived from plains warriors welded into a disciplined force, Middle Eastern factions were less feudal and some had slave units etc. RR attempts to recreate this, and any relevant advantages and disadvantages, by categorising each faction's units appropriately.

    Generally Making the Strategic Part of the Game More Challenging
    Well, I think this is self-explanatory.


    The Categories
    Overview
    Following is an overview of the nine categories in the RR system. Each category is defined by 6 main characteristics.
    Pool Size: The maximum number of available units of this type available for recruitment at any time.
    Replacement Rate: The rate at which new units become available for recruitment and go into the Pool.
    Training Time: Defines when newly-recruited units become available. For most categories, it is the next turn. For Late Professionals and Urban Professionals, it varies by the unit quality and type. Generally, better-quality units, archers and cavalry take longer to train.
    Recruitment Cost: The cost to recruit one unit of this type. Factors influencing Recruitment Cost are:
    • Armor: from Padded to Late Renaissance Plate, more heavily armored units cost more
    • Mount Type: from Pony to Armored Horse, better mounts cost more. Most cavalry units also maintain at least 1 additional fighting mount, though the armor cost is paid for only once
    • Riding Mounts: Mounted and Dismounted versions of those mounted units (eg Dismounted Knights) maintain from 1 to 4 additional cheap riding mounts
    • Weapons: from Spears to Muskets, better and more technologically advanced weapons are more expensive
    • Training Costs: Training costs increase in the following hierarchy: Crossbow < Melee < Javelin < Gun < Archer. Mounted training costs are significantly higher. Training costs for Swords and Polearms are increased. Training costs for 'highly_trained' units are increased.
    Upkeep Cost: The cost to support and pay for this unit for 1 turn. Upkeep costs increase in the following hierarchy: Javelin < Archer < Melee < Crossbow < Gun. One turn's upkeep cost is also paid to the unit during training. Mounted units cost significantly more.
    Special: Any special factors influencing the unit category.
    Recruitment and Upkeep Costs are heavily modified by Real Combat unit class: Peasant < Militia < Average < Superior < Elite.
    Note that all costs are calculated PER MAN and multiplied out by the number of men per unit, to arrive at a final unit cost, eg although it may cost less to recruit an individual spearman than a swordsman, a unit of spearmen may cost more by virtue of being 25% larger.

    Feudals
    Pool Size: Low
    Replacement Rate: Very Low
    Training Time: Next Turn
    Recruitment Cost: Normal
    Upkeep Cost: Doubled
    Special: Limited Free Upkeep in Castles, units often impetuous or of low discipline
    The major and minor nobles, that follow the call to arms by their overlord, the king and bring with them their armed retinues. They serve as part of their tenure agreement and formed the core of the early era´s armies, but will not die out even at the end of the period given by the game. This category includes almost all of the early, high and late era´s european heavy cavalry, a large part of the light cavalry and the noble infantry. The giving of tenured land (fief) to the feudal vassal is simulated by the payment of the one-time Recruitment Cost (which could instead in this case be called a tenure agreement). The ongoing obligation of the vassal is simulated by making it a free upkeep unit at the castle. If the vassal/feudal unit ends the year away from castle, it has clearly been in the lord's service that year/turn for a greater period that its nominal obligation, and an upkeep cost of some variety must then be paid. The upkeep costs for Feudal units in such a case are substantial, and capricious feudal nobles were a constant source of headaches to the crown. Note that these units are recruited by the castle, not the barracks or stables. By recruiting at the castle we are simulating the gathering of nobles/landowners seeking tenure from the castle lord. Because the number of Feudal units will be quite limited, their relative importance rises, and the number of Early Professionals, Locals, Urban Militia and Rural Levies will also rise by comparison. NOTE: In the Late Era, the number of free upkeep Feudal units normally supported (Castle 1, Fortress 2, Citadel 3) falls by 1. The feudal system is gradually disappearing.

    Early Professionals
    Pool Size: Low
    Replacement Rate: Low
    Training Time: Next Turn
    Recruitment Cost: All Training and Equipment/Mounts Discounted
    Upkeep Cost: Increased
    Special: Also in it for the loot, but no way (yet) to simulate this
    This category encompasses all those types of men, who live solely by waging war in the pay of either some noble or the crown on the base of contracts for a specific amount of time or a campaign. Although they are full-time soldiers, their regular pay, while of significant size, is often just complementary to them getting a chance to loot and as they are regularly dismissed, after they served their purpose in a specific campaign, they often invest their money in a second base of fortune or have to look for another mission by another employer. This and the relatively easy going recruitement criteria mean that the numbers of professionals in a kingdom´s service are extremely volatile. They represent hard-bitten individuals or small groups of men, who are trying their best to profit from the ongoing feuds and major campaigns of the medieval world, which leads to a surprising high fighting morale, while their discipline and equipment is generally of good to moderate. The more efficient and better equipped units of this category are supposed to be that part of this class that found a regular employment in a noble´s or the crown´s service. For the first half of the game´s timeline early professionals are the core of the melee infantry part of an army supplemented by militias, while the noble heavy infantry is either used at critical points or kept in reserve. Sergeant spearmen are a stereotype of this category. The poor Replacement Rate of Early Professionals leads to the result that short and properly prepared campaigns would see a good amount of them, but ad-hoc fights and prolonged campaigns will quickly eat up the reserves of trained men. Note that it is recommended, when using Early Professionals, to disband them in the settlement from where they were hired if they are not immediately needed. This keeps upkeep costs down and they will appear in the Recruiting Pool again next turn. This is a reasonably good abstract simulation of what happened historically. If the dividing line between Early Pros and Mercenaries seems somewhat blurred, that's because it is.

    Late Professionals
    Pool Size: Average
    Replacement Rate: High
    Training Time: Varies
    Recruitment Cost: Increased
    Upkeep Cost: Normal
    Special: Training Time varies based on Unit Type and Quality, higher proportion of disciplined units
    Contrary to their early counterparts late professionals have much clearer dependencies, which come along with the development of the stronger central powers of the medieval states. Instead of being assigned for service for a specific campaign the crown now tended to keep a significant amount of those full-time soldiers in regular pay and founded something similar to a standing army, which encompassed the most reliable (which means loyal to the realm´s gouverment, not well behaving) companies of armed men, whose core stayed the same for a considerable amount of time, even as still a good part them had a fluctuating staff. They have a specially trained officer corps (in which, as a novelty, even some minor nobles make career) and the more advanced states even sport regular recruitment institutions (like the military academy). Their equipment is usually among the best available, as the states wanted to profit from their considerable investment they put into their training and more often used the threat of the power, which they represented, to ensure the loyality of the major nobles of the realm, than in actual battles against foreign powers. Going along with this and the technological development the kings of europe made sure that almost every tactical role on the battlefield (especially that of the heavy cavalry) now could be brought to bear by a class, whose primary dependency was to the crown, instead of local nobles. This is represented by units as Lancers, Demi-Lancers, Pikemen and Arquebusiers, which are all part of this category. Due to the infrastructure and training time required to field units in this category, recruiting cost is increased.

    Urban Professionals
    Pool Size: Average
    Replacement Rate: Average
    Training Time: Varies
    Recruitment Cost: Increased
    Upkeep Cost: Normal
    Special: Training Time varies based on Unit Type and Quality
    Similar to Late Professionals, but the units are recruited and trained in a city.

    Urban Militias
    Pool Size: Average
    Replacement Rate: High
    Training Time: Next Turn
    Recruitment Cost: Equipment/Mounts Discounted
    Upkeep Cost: Increased
    Special: Limited Free Upkeep in Cities, expensive and less morale than regular units when away from them in the field
    Lo and behold, urban units are taken from a region´s urban centres and often they are paid by them as well, while they are doing their usual service of guarding and patrolling the towns´ areas of interest, which is represented by being a free upkeep unit, as long as they are garrisoned in a town. If leaving the town´s limits they are supposed to be that urban centre´s contribution to the kingdom´s war efforts and sequentially have to be paid and provisioned by the crown. This also causes economic dislocation in their home town. While some of them, who were raised in towns of secondary importance, are organized militias, those who are recruited by the more influential population centres often have no other job besides soldiery, as we suppose that such big amounts of population can produce enough income for letting a significant amount of the citizens dedicate their live to secure this income. (And their comparatively high independency towards the realm´s leadership.) Their main characteristic is their relatively good equipment (as there are enough specialist craftsmen in a city), much of which they pay for themselves, while their effectivenes and discipline will proportionally increase with the city´s political and economical importance, even when still lacking a bit in comparison to true professionals, who live by war (instead to live by keeping the peace). Italian Militias would be a perfect representative of this category.

    Locals
    Pool Size: Average
    Replacement Rate: Average
    Training Time: Next Turn
    Recruitment Cost: Equipment/Mounts Discounted
    Upkeep Cost: Normal
    Special: Discipline typically lower than for trained units
    This group encompasses members of kingdoms which have either a sophisticated system of implementing the rural population into its armed forces (eg Longbowmen) or who have a considerable amount of more warlike population (eg Woodsmen). Locals serve as part of their duty as subjects of the realm and, mostly, are either receiving less pay than other soldiers or none at all, though the time taken for their training and organisation does cause some economic dislocation. There are, of course, also volunteers among this group, but mainly because there is a multtude of reasons why someone lost his livelihood. Their main characteristic is, that they are never full time soldiers, but all their martial prowess is learned as part of their civil live or during the short training they receive before being organized in companies, given officers of regular units (mostly experienced full-time soldiers and only very seldom one of their own people of higher status like village headmen) and shooed in direction of the battlefield. Their quality mainly depends on how warlike their origin is, while their equipment is commonly of low quality, second hand (which means looted) or provided by themselves, which makes them more readily available than other troop categories.

    Rural Levies
    Pool Size: High
    Replacement Rate: High
    Training Time: Next Turn
    Recruitment Cost: Equipment/Mounts Discounted (usually have none)
    Upkeep Cost: Normal
    Special: Very Low Morale
    As can be expected by the name this category summarizes all units that are recruited from the rural population, mostly by drafting them. These units are mostly peasants and have little to no military skill. Against any substantial opposition, they are likely to run away.

    Religious Order
    Pool Size: Varies, but typically Low
    Replacement Rate: Varies, but typically Low
    Training Time: Next Turn
    Recruitment Cost: Normal
    Upkeep Cost: Reduced
    Special: Typically Good Morale
    Members of religious orders, they are called to their tasks. As such, they are fighting for a cause that does not necessarily place payment for their services in such a high priority, and their upkeep is somewhat reduced.

    Mercenaries
    Pool Size: Varies
    Replacement Rate: Varies
    Training Time: Immediate
    Recruitment Cost: Varies, But Usually Reduced (More experienced Mercenaries cost more however)
    Upkeep Cost: At Least Double
    Special: Often (but not always) slightly reduced morale.
    To recruit a mercenary is in almost all cases a cheaper (and certainly more immediate) option that recruiting and training the corresponding faction unit. However, their upkeep (read: pay) is also typically at least double what a regular soldier would receive. Thus, their long-term employment quickly becomes an expensive proposition. To add to this, they are often somewhat averse to risking their lives in combat. Experienced mercenaries will cost somewhat more to hire.


    ERA System
    Real Recruitment varies the availability of all units depending on the current era: Early, High or Late. Aside from whether the unit is available or not, its level of availability can also vary from era to era. For example, some units that are common in the Early Era will become less available in later eras. Changes will be particularly evident for Feudal units.

    Units also become available as a result of technological advances. The set of conditions that govern this are:

    Heavy Mail: available whenever an Armourer is built. This will typically be late in the Early Era and is approximately the correct timeframe.
    Partial Plate/Mail: Early-Mid High Era, about 1275
    Full Plate: Late Era, about 1380
    Gothic Plate: Mid Late Era, about 1450
    Handgun: about 1310
    Arquebus: about 1466, Spanish Arquebus about 1444
    Musket: about 1502
    Pikes, Polearms, Heavy Crossbows: about 1310

    I am indebted for a significant part of the categorisation work in this mod to Konstantin Alexander and Notger.

    RR 1.0 for SS6.0 Main changes:
    -Update of all stats to SS6.0
    -Reduction in initial mercenary numbers available
    -Mason no longer enables recruitment
    -Increase in crossbow mercenaries available in northern italy
    -Reduction in replacement rate of Late Professionals
    -Most factions can now recruit low numbers of free upkeep militia at castles to act as garrison troops
    -Generals recruitable at fortresses and citadels. Early Generals are Early Pros, Late Generals are Late Pros
    -Sergeant Spearmen and Armored Sergeants available later from lower tiers
    -Some Early Pro swordsmen now available in Early Era from Barracks or better, and available from High Era from Drill Square
    -Some Local category units downgraded to Militia RC quality
    -Reduction in Religious Order replacement rate and availability
    -Increase in recruitment cost of Late and Urban Professionals to reflect training and infrastructure costs

    TO INSTALL Real Recruitment
    Copy the contents of the download's data folder to the Stainless Steel data folder. As always, its safest to back up your current files first!

    Includes:
    -Real Recruitment 1.0 Guide
    -List of units by of Real Recruitment category
    -Real Combat 1.5 Guide
    -List of units by Real Combat category

    Recommended for use with Byg's BGR III mod for an extra challenge

    Please read the included Readme.txt for more detail

    Please check back for regular updates, its fully save-game compatible

    If you are using Chimaeira's excellent SSTC mod, please use the first download below (note, does not include RAJ), otherwise use the second download.

    MAY 29 UPDATE:

    -Assorted bug fixes and corrections to Buildings file
    -All mounted and foot melee units of average quality or below slightly increased in cost, including mercenaries
    -Spear unit shield value -1
    -Halberd, Poleaxe and 2H axe defense value +1
    -For SSTC-compatible version, Spear attack -1 (balances new animations)
    -For SSTC-compatible version, 2H axe units use 2H axe animations again
    -Bombards and Grand Bombards can fire Grapeshot (thx Barser and others)
    -Archontopoulai, Kwarizmian Cavalry, Khassaki, Quapukulu, Imperial Guard and Granadine Lancers now use couched lance (thx Ahiga)
    -Completely re-worked missile system for all missile weapons. A consistent model was created that considered the following factors, also considering further research of modern and historical sources:
    • accuracy vs man-sized targets at various ranges
    • dispersion
    • modification to accuracy for shooting at a formation
    • strike zone size for plunging fire
    • chances for penetration of armor by different missile types at various ranges
    • updated modifications to archer damage based on shooter quality and draw poundages (elite shooters are more dangerous)
    • chance of causing a casualty in M2TW terms
    • effects of shooting at cavalry vs infantry and vulnerability of un-barded horses
    These effects were combined to produce expected casualties figures in different shooting scenarios. Weapon attack values, accuracy and global accuracy values were then adjusted to generate results that fit this model as closely as possible. Now:
    • Long range fire is less accurate/lethal.
    • Direct fire (ie ranges where missile trajectory is less of a factor) is more accurate/lethal.
    • Overall lethality is increased, within limits.
    • Cavalry, especially light cavalry, is at greater risk from missile fire.
    Last edited by Point Blank; May 29, 2008 at 03:05 AM.

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    Excellent work PB. Can't wait to try it

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    wow, exactly a thing i wanted before weekend! Thanks Point Blank!

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    Let me know if you come across anything that looks incorrect, so it can be fixed before its included in the 6.1 patch.

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    Brilliant will download it when i get home

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    Awsome, this is what I've been waiting for.

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    Please check back for regular updates and minor bug-fixes and re-download, its fully save-game compatible.

    Date of the latest update is at the top of the first post.

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    Congratulations on the release PB!
    Could you tell me what calculations you have applied exactly so that making it compatible with my mod is a bit easier.
    Else I would just be copying your stats over. and that would take ages.

    Moved to the appropriate subdorum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chimaeira View Post
    Congratulations on the release PB!
    Could you tell me what calculations you have applied exactly so that making it compatible with my mod is a bit easier.
    Else I would just be copying your stats over. and that would take ages.

    Moved to the appropriate subdorum.
    Which calculations do you mean? There are lots of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Point Blank View Post
    Which calculations do you mean? There are lots of them
    Anything in the EDU. By what factors have you applied your changes?
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    Whats wrong with the SS.6.0 current1 ??? all em changes makes my head hurts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chimaeira View Post
    Anything in the EDU. By what factors have you applied your changes?
    All the changes were applied as defined in the RC 1.5 Guide.pdf included in the download. There were a number of changes to the old 5.1 units, and quite a few changes to the new 6.0 units too. Its not a small number of changes.

    So I think for your mod (if you mean RAJ) you would be best to apply the RAJ EDU changes to the new RR EDU, rather than apply the new RR EDU changes to the RAJ EDU, because the number of changes will be less that way.

    I'm not sure if that is very helpful! Let me know if I can help more.

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    Alright.
    I was talking about SSTC. and I think it is best to apply your changes over that EDU as I had to edit every single unit in that EDU to make officers work.

    Thanks anyway.
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    Excellent work, bit I have a problam. This mod overwrote Chimaera's RAJ mod.
    Will it wrong, if I install the RAJ again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chimaeira View Post
    Alright.
    I was talking about SSTC. and I think it is best to apply your changes over that EDU as I had to edit every single unit in that EDU to make officers work.

    Thanks anyway.
    I think the best way to do that would be to appy the SSTC changes to the RR EDU, not including the stat_cost line if you just want RC without RR. I think the number of changes would be less that way (ie less than 1000, whereas the other way would be more than 1000, at least). Unfortunately I don't think there is an easy way, its going to take a text compare tool

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    Next time u guys should make the mod together ;D will be less trouble

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    would this mod make SSTC incompatible?
    and how'd u change the descr_mount to?
    is cav actually gonna charge infantry or are they gonna stop?
    also i dled a mod that gives more movement,does this mod limit movement in any way?
    and how many turns will it take to train byz lancers?
    sorry for all the q's just want to make sure what i'm getting myself into first
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    SSTC and RR both make changes to the EDU. There is nothing to stop them being made compatible though.

    descr_mount is unchanged I think. Cavalry charges seem fine, in fact many cavalry have reduced charge distance so should charge more easily.

    Movement speed on the battlefield is marginally reduced, strategic movement is unchanged.

    Byzantine Lancers are Superior quality Late Professionals, taking 4 turns to train.

    Tatamer: you will lose aspects of this mod if you re-install RAJ over the top of it, but they can be made compatible if the RAJ EDU aspects are merged into the RR EDU.

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    Default Re: Real Recruitment for SS6.0 released

    ah thanks mate,i'm gonna have to start a new campaign then,so normal armies will have like 4 really good units and the rest will be just militias? that's quite a change from what i seen in the movies where everyone wears chainmail and awesome soldiers,not rally realistic at all the movies that is,what will be the costs of merc cav and that units seeing that they will replace a good deal of what normal players would have used their late proffs for?
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    So will Chimaeria's awesome RAJ and Total Combat ever be merged with this?

    While I have yet to play this, it looks interesting and much more historically accurate, so I kinda want both at once, selfish as I am.

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