yes afaik he is absent at the moment, but was something planned anyway
yes, we miss him
So, do you think the curia is dying? Or this is just a phase? I do not think there has never been such a low stage, but I'm not a veteran here.
Days ago I was wondering what would happen without a single candidate for the censor or the curator (indispensable for the curia) role.
I think that the bitterness of some debates refrains, in general, the activity. When you are curator you are even more exposed to the criticism. The will to participate in that election process and the role of the office depends on the perception we have of the benefits of it in comparition to other activities. In CDC times the curator was the leader of a "select" group, so it had a higher glamour level. Now maybe it is seen as the guy for all. Maybe the doge of Venice before and now the chairman of the congress.
The Curator is merely a janitor, there isn't much to criticize. The problem is lack of time and interest. The whole site is in state a complete apathy and while certain areas have people who's job is to motivate and convince other people to participate the Curia has no such role.
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The Doge? Maybe we can restore some glamour by an adequately pompous voting procedure as used in Venice:
Go out and pick a random Peregrinus to draw thirty lots from a pool of all Citizens.
These thirty are then reduced by lot to nine,
the nine elect forty and the forty are reduced by lot to twelve,
the twelve elect twenty-five, reduced by lot to nine,
the nine elect forty-five, reduced by lot to eleven and
the eleven elect forty-one that elect the Curator.
Over the years the administrative tasks of the Curator has increased. While the Curator can hire assistance, you still need to find them. If I am not mistaken, Shanks had few assistants who disappeared on him. The Censors performs an unenviable task. Most people do not like judging their peers. There is also little fanfare in the position since the proceedings are all behind close doors. There are certainly more worth while roles to do on the forum than the Censor. Moreover, members do not like to be "moderated" and citizens hate to be called out even more.
I said this a 1000 times it seems, but the Curia draw isn't what it once were. It survived under the misguided notion that it is something more than it is now. You throw in the pettiness, over exhaustive debates, and a change in the type of users on the forum and it is not surprising the Curia is a virtual ghost town.
I personally think the modern user is less concern with award given than in years past. They are ore concern about the areas of the forum they are most interested. In these areas, they may be interested in recognizing contribution, but not site wide. Any attempt to convince these users of the utility of a Curia is an exercise in futility. The internet evolves. The site must be flexible enough to meet the demands or it will be cast aside as irrelevant.
Maybe we could start projects that add something new to the site and valuable in terms of real life. For example, in relation to the "actual" refugees crisis we could start a permanent project to link TWC members to the hundreds of aid possibilities that are out there.
Gathering information, colaborating with different organizations....
Total Aid Center, or something like.
Another thing I see there is no symbol of the CVRIA, or a seal that can be stamped to initiatives or projects supported by the CVRIA. You have different citizens badges, but they talk about the user not about the group.
I think if you're a citizen it should be mandated you are active in the CVRIA. I don't know what the point of being a Citizen is if you're not at least a BIT active. Also, if we really need people for roles within the CVRIA, hand out rep. If the rep flows the users will come; I guarantee it. I also think giving out service awards like the CdeC use to do would attract a few more people to come to the CVRIA.
I'm going to hunting for users that look like they'd be active in the CVRIA and sponsor them, at this stage if I see someone in their app. say I want to be apart of the CVRIA I am basically going to vote yes without any question; unless they've moderation history.
In fact we recently considered adding a rep-function to the posts announcing an election (and thus also an expiring term). The "On behalf of the Curia we thank him/her for his/her service" bit would be a link to the rep page. Not sure whether one should make this more public, though.
(Unfortunately for you we only got this idea after the recent Censor election was already done, so I'm just repping your above post for it now )
In my opinion I wouldnt like to see the curia full of rep lovers or badges or medals lovers (that kind of people ).
Personally I think the curia is going to hell, and maybe we just have to accept it. (Of course TWC will survive)
I don't recall there being any announcement or promotion when the CdeC was replaced and citizens given autonomy over citizen awards, all awards. Rather than worrying about whether the curia can feign looking busy in affecting change around the rest of the site, maybe a bit of focus on what we have.
And yes I have said that already, give a few months and maybe some of the doom spreaders will start to take notice.
We should also recognize the fact that if one wants to contribute to TWC, there's plenty to do with Content, Gaming, Moderation, etc etc., which have nothing to do with the Curia.