The merging of order factions and KOJ

[cherryfunk]

First Add Malta as settlement on map and give it to KOJ with a Hospitaler HQ in it (may not be total historical for time line but should satisfy the hospitalar fans)

This is an interesting idea; although if it was done, I would suggest Malta belong to the KOJ only in the Late Campaign -- by that time the KOJ was much reduced in power. In the Early Campaign, the KOJ will be at the height of their power.

Also if for early the KoJ and the Templars were merged then they would need to be in control of jerusalem (to be historically correct) and to make them fun to play no more then 1 more settlement so that means bibi KoJ in the first few turns.

Of course they would have Jerusalem, since it was the center of the Kingdom of Jerusalem. The current Early Campaign is total fantasy -- the Templars didn't even exist at that time. The first Crusade had not yet happened. There was no Christian military presence in the Holy Land.

By merging the two factions and pushing the Early Campaign start date back just a few years, we get to recreate this new kingdom -- a powerful nation that won't quickly succumb like the weak Templar faction does. It's a more historical, more fun, and more balanced solution -- and it opens up a faction slot.

[Logik]

@ Whitewolfmxc that is exactly what i have been saying all along. I am glad someone else brung it up. Why not make a knights order faction with the abilities to recruit all units from every Knight order.So what if it is not historically accurate. Does everything in a pc game have to be accurate historically wise to be enjoyable?. I don't think so.And i am willing to bet that if such a faction is created it will kick all the other factions in the game butts and not even bother with names! Good idea...

[s0meguy]

The Templars are the main reason KK created SS so I don't see him removing them any time soon.

Where the hell did you get that from?

Actually i was surpized no one crazy enough to come up with an idea like :

Knights order faction !

All the knights orders (including Templar / St john / Teutonic / Meltisa / Santiago and ones that i dont remember) all join into ONE faction LOL

but each unit is area restricted , like santiago only in iberia , Teutonic on north europe etc etc XD

This idea will be urber XD

No it sucks, and I think that many of those orders didn't work together well historically speaking.....

Here is an idea. Just make the installer of the next SS have a few options to install whatever order you want. Leaving up a faction slot that can be used for your stupid georgia or something lol

BTW Abassid > georgia crap. I think that Georgia would just be destroyed easily like Ireland. I mean they're not exactly known for their uber armies and generals.

STILL I do not want Ireland out cuz well.. I like Irish people and their funny voices

So how about this: don't add any more faction. Either that or add a faction that is worthy of the faction slot. Not some insignificant country like georgia or some eastern european country.

I think that KK prefered Abassid btw.

[s0meguy]

. sry plz delete

[s0meguy]

same story

[CtrlAltDe1337]

@ topic starter,

I really like the idea of merging the orders with the KoJ. I guess the other factions could keep their chapter houses, but KK could customize it a little more for the KoJ. What about using the Lituania temple thing for Chapter houses? So you could build either a Templar or Hospitaller building in a settlment and get some unique units from there. Since the Knightly Orders outlived the KoJ, most of their late units could be from the Orders, especially their knights and infantry.

I think that Georgia would just be destroyed easily like Ireland. I mean they're not exactly known for their uber armies and generals.

Do you make this stuff up on your own, or do you hear it from someone else?

[cherryfunk]

but KK could customize it a little more for the KoJ. What about using the Lituania temple thing for Chapter houses? So you could build either a Templar or Hospitaller building in a settlment and get some unique units from there. Since the Knightly Orders outlived the KoJ, most of their late units could be from the Orders, especially their knights and infantry.

That's a pretty good idea; I believe the two major orders tended to steer clear of each other and were given separate areas of responsibility, if I recall my history correctly.

[whitewolfmxc]

IF its to make into buildings at every settlement , that makes no use of the chapter houses LOL such a waste , and making too much order knights for KOJ at the same time is not historical nor fun , its too easy to play LOL

made the micro managing and deployment of order knights not important at all LOL this might upset some KOJ fans XD

[CtrlAltDe1337]

IF its to make into buildings at every settlement , that makes no use of the chapter houses LOL such a waste , and making too much order knights for KOJ at the same time is not historical nor fun , its too easy to play LOL

made the micro managing and deployment of order knights not important at all LOL this might upset some KOJ fans XD

You would obviously have to make it balanced but I think it would work great.

[Tetsu]

I think the OP is going a bit far in thinking that KK is gonna merge the two... sounds like he's trying to force his wishes.

Also, with the 'pleasing of all the fans', it won't happen, they'll always be people who disagree with the changes. I for one would probably not get the next stainless steel if the templars were merged with something else, atleast until a decent mini-mod correcting this misjudgement was released.

The OP has also demonstrated a degree of ignorance by saying that 'most people prefer late' when it has been proven that the majority actucally prefers early. I suspect that this is less about what the fans want, and more about what he wants. Course, I'm also a suspicious bastard.

Anyway, no merging. My two cents. Flame at will

[Fenix_120]

People have been asking that the KOJ and Templars be merged for a long, long time...

This will fix alot of the unit problems(mostly a lack of units) that both factions have.

[whitewolfmxc]

I think the OP is going a bit far in thinking that KK is gonna merge the two... sounds like he's trying to force his wishes.

Also, with the 'pleasing of all the fans', it won't happen, they'll always be people who disagree with the changes. I for one would probably not get the next stainless steel if the templars were merged with something else, atleast until a decent mini-mod correcting this misjudgement was released.

The OP has also demonstrated a degree of ignorance by saying that 'most people prefer late' when it has been proven that the majority actucally prefers early. I suspect that this is less about what the fans want, and more about what he wants. Course, I'm also a suspicious bastard.

Anyway, no merging. My two cents. Flame at will

Wow , the only thing i can see in your post is the last line of the third paragraph XD

but really when did i "demonstrate" my ignorance when i say I THINK blah blah , oh so saying something like that makes you ingorent humm.....interesting ....try telling that to politicians mate , oh did you learn to think like that from pre school ?

So your saying YOU CAN prove that what people think , oh ok im listening

And of course my suggestion's are what I WANT ! its called self expression ! But does that mean i didnt consider others wants when i think of the ideas ? I dont think you can prove any thing you said above XD

are you some where disabled or something ? so your saying "pleasing" all fans is a wrong idea at all ? oh ok , then why are you winning about ? what ? i didnt please you ? but you said .......

Anyway im just paying my 2 cents too , cause im just a optimistic friendly Aussie like anyone else here XD Cheers mate

Im not flaming you either just like your last post did with me XD

PS: now get back to topic XD

[Tetsu]

Nah I'm saying pleasing all fans is impossible. No soloution will make 100% of people happy

[whitewolfmxc]

XD ok please be on topic now XD

[Caesar Clivus]

Actually i was surpized no one crazy enough to come up with an idea like :

Knights order faction !

All the knights orders (including Templar / St john / Teutonic / Meltisa / Santiago and ones that i dont remember) all join into ONE faction LOL

but each unit is area restricted , like santiago only in iberia , Teutonic on north europe etc etc XD

This idea will be urber XD

I can't say that I would support this idea.

[Tetsu]

XD ok please be on topic now XD

Ok.
I do not support the removal of the Knights Templar, the merging of it into the KoJ, or the creation of a 'Knights Order' faction.
Done

[Golo_1]

Adding the Templars characters to an early KOJ, great idea, and with that open slot, add the Abbasids! like s0meguy says. The holy land lacks of arabs to fight, make the KOJ still an emergent faction at the year 1099-1100, that way when they appear, the Fatimids have already expand and present some challenge, otherwise the begining with Jerusalem for KOJ, blocks any expansion for the Fatimids.

[\Vazul's Ghost/]

At last some one opened a thread about this!!! I have been asking various modders for a week now if this is possible and I haven't gotten a reply. Hopefully this will peak King Kong's attention or something. Although i couldn't blame him if he didn't whant to remove the faction he made from the ground up that started this mod.

[whitewolfmxc]

I can't say that I would support this idea.

It was a joke mate XD look at the tune i was saying in XD

[Caesar Clivus]

It was a joke mate XD look at the tune i was saying in XD

Sorry was a bit hard to tell. But only 5% of human communication is the words we use. That's why there are so many arguments on internet forums