Marius reform

[DashSia]

1. when does Marius reforms exactly take happen?

2. How to avoid Marius reforms to take happen?

3. Which file we can edit to change these reform date?

( i know the legionaries are super soldiers but i love the combination of hastati, traria, principles and equits. lol, isnt it?)

[Selifator]

1. Marius reforms happens when an Imperial Palace is built in the Italian Peninsula. I believe these contain all the starting cities of the Roman factions in Italy.
2. Don't let an Imperial palace be built, conquer fast enough so that you can start the civil war. And use huge scale since it takes more population from the cities.
3. I don't know.

[Xavier Dragnesi]

Well I suppose you could just delay the Marian reforms indefinitely. Because basically, you only need to build the palace when you upgrade your city, and you only do that when your population gets too high. So if you just build heaps of peasants and send them out to be killed whenever your population rises too much, you should be able to delay it for most of your game.

[Selifator]

But as your city grows larger the amount of people that is added grows, at a certain moment the amount is bigger than the amount you can take by training peasants.

[DashSia]

no way to edit the files, ha?

[candle_86]

i still dont understand why you'd do this, the Hasiti are weaker than the late games barbrians, i found my troops loosing in Macadon towards late game, because i hadn't built the palace yet, i built it and started sending cohorts in and my war continued unopposed. Those funny little hoplites

[pwijnands]

But as your city grows larger the amount of people that is added grows, at a certain moment the amount is bigger than the amount you can take by training peasants.

You can give peasants a recruitment time of zero turns which lets you take 9 x 240 people from the settlement each turn.

[Selifator]

Yeah, but that would be cheating. And cheating isn't that much fun.

[Ciaran S]

Besides, the Marius reforms are also triggered if an AI faction builds their first Imperial Palace on the Italian peninsula. So there´s not all that much you can do - except conquer them first.

In 1.2 the Marius Reform couldn´t occur before 220 BC, this changed with 1.5, by the way.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Stop the reforms? Are you mad?!

[Phillieas_Caesar]

You can give peasants a recruitment time of zero turns which lets you take 9 x 240 people from the settlement each turn.

that would work to a degree. but eventully you want the legions to appear. or you can us the crappy hastidi.

Yeah, but that would be cheating. And cheating isn't that much fun.

cheating... NO! realistic... Yes! come on it dosnt take 6 months to train a single unit. modern day boot camp is 6-12 weeks not six months. i personlly use Zero Turn Recruitment. but i dont play vanilla anymore so i guess i'm bias.

[Xavier Dragnesi]

I enjoy 0 turn recruitment as well, but I don't mind playing with 1 turn.

[Korlon]

I absolutely abhor 0 turn recruitment, just for the very reason that playing battles is fun, but too many in one turn just isn't. Also, I don't think the Hastati/Principes/Triarii/Equites even had much training. Pretty sure they were expected to have experience in such things and the money for their armor comes from their own pockets.

There are probably mods that can alter the date of the Marius Reforms. I'm playing EB right now. I doubt many players of that mod even get to the Marius Reforms. It happens at least 400 turns after the beginning of the campaign. Plenty of Hastati/Principes/Triarii fun there.

[NobleNick]

... 3. Which file we can edit to change these reform date? ...

As was said, you can play a mod, cheat, or jack around your game play to stave off the reforms as long as possible. But, if you want a simple fix that leaves vanilla totally intact, except move the reforms date out 200 turns, then you can probably get a quick and accurate answer by re-asking question #3 in the modding forums.

[DashSia]

i still dont understand why you'd do this, the Hasiti are weaker than the late games barbrians, i found my troops loosing in Macadon towards late game, because i hadn't built the palace yet, i built it and started sending cohorts in and my war continued unopposed. Those funny little hoplites

just for a little change and challenge. i dont want that professional armies. even vh/vh will not hard the game as i want.

Stop the reforms? Are you mad?!

you dont know how much i am mad. in GTA vice city. i got 100000 money without any cheat. bought guns with that money. go to my garrage and made the police 6 star. i stole one tank(all without any cheat) and took it to ny garrage and saved. you know why? because i hate typing PANZER to get a tank.

As was said, you can play a mod, cheat, or jack around your game play to stave off the reforms as long as possible. But, if you want a simple fix that leaves vanilla totally intact, except move the reforms date out 200 turns, then you can probably get a quick and accurate answer by re-asking question #3 in the modding forums.

thanks. i repeat my question there.

anyway, i play as carthagian now (and France in medieval 2). but it will be usefull for later.

[Master_Templar]

1. I don't really know. I went on avoiding Imp. Palaces, but as soon as I took a huge Macedonian City, the Reform happened.

2. Again, I don't know.

3. IDK.

It is still good to have the reforms though, because the later game enemy units are a lot more powerful than Pre Marian units. But when it does happen, you better finish off those campaigns with Pre Marians, because those men are going to decline, and you can't bring them back.

[Augustus Octavius]

Wait, so you can't retrain Hastati/Principes/Triarii after the reforms?

[Selifator]

Definite no. Unless you want to mess with the data files, but that might prove difficult.

[Augustus Octavius]

That is definately good to know. I guess I better be ready when I make the reforms happen and wrap up any campaigns I have going at the time in order to build up the post-marius armies. It is interesting that my pre-marius units will be just like mercs, not being able to be retrained. I'll probably send them to a smaller town and disband for the pop increase.

I want the reforms as soon as possible to get the better cavalry. Equites SUCK!!!! Also the Eagles look really good and I bet they are fun to battle with.

[atraps]

u can only recruit eagle units in rome (after the reform)