I am watchingAlthough I in 77BC he is a bit younger than historically, as he had the tendency to die after 4 years of campaign. But, please, do not tell Bucellarii about that
I must confess that I am quite happy with that epithet for Mithradates. After all, he is said to have slaughtered (IIRC) 20.000 Italic in Asia
Indeed, I think it is very appropriate.
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thats exactly my point. but who in the west mentions it nowadays, a scholar or two?
as far as im concerned they are all butchers to bigger or lesser degree. it isnt fair singling out Mithridates. i think we still view history through stereotypes created by Roman propaganda like sources.
when it comes to Ceasar he is a glorious hero. books written, movies shot...
but when it comes to Mithridates, king, who pushed Pontus to its greatest glory and strength (just like the other oriental "tyran", Tigran, btw) he is oriental pomp and a tyran
they are ALL self-centered, sinful politicians and killers, no goods and bads there. everyone seeked and defended his own agenda. can you blame them for that?
Doubtless Mithradates and Tigranes have both been unfairly treated by Roman historians and I would prefer to see the title Mithradates VI Eupator Dionysos on the unit unit card
Interestingly as later recounted by Valerius Maximus, the orator Helvius Mancia witheringly describes Cn Pompeius Magnus as an Adulescentulus Carnifex or boy butcher:
I saw Gnaeus Domitius Ahenobarbus dripping with blood...I saw...Marcus Brutus lacerated by the sword...I saw Gnaeus Carbo...bound by the chains you had ordered thrown upon him, testifying that, when he held the highest command, he had, contrary to all that is holy and unholy, been slaughtered by you, a Roman knight. I saw Perpenna cursing your savagery, and all of them screaming with one angry voice, because without trial they had died at the hands of the likes of you, a teenage butcher.
Val. Max 6.2.8
Well, curiously (or not) enough, Pompey also gets the "butcher trait" quite easily in 77 BC.
Sarkiss, I see your point. But just consider that we are trying to portray history according to our existing sources, i.e. the winners. So it is quite logical that part of their biased vision sometimes slips -even subconciously- in our (this time, my) work.
So, as soon as I can, I will give Mithradates the epiteth "VI Eupator Dionysos".
Now that we are on it, should Tigran get some sort of epiteth too?
Tigran II Artaxiad would be the best bet imo.
Salvor, beside other things calling a historical figure just a butcher is quite frankly kind of primitive. it would suffice for vanilla (along with war dogs) but not something so extensively worked on, in regard to both, research and modding. this mod we all come to love, deserves better!
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Yup or something more Hellenized as seen on some coins of the period - Tigran/Tigranes II Megas Basileus.Tigran II Artaxiad would be the best bet imo
Of course if we want to completely Hellenize the name (which I don't!) it should read Tigranou Megas Basileus
man, you rock! where do you get all those quotes!?
Decent books with good footnotes
For example the extract from Valerius Maximus is footnoted in both CAH Vol IX and Pompey The Great by Robin Seager.
The opening line of the faction description I drafted many moons agoTigranes II Megas Basileus has forged a new empire and now represents a threat to both Parthia and Rome
Needless to say I also believe Tigranes II Megas Basileus sounds pretty good
Salvor?
Funnily enough I also noted this down as a possiblity. Of course not speaking a word of Armenian I wasn't sure my spelling was entirely accurate.Tigran II Metz Artashesian
A lucky guess I suppose
good idea man!!
and Ambiorix? (if he's in?)
He is in. Although I do not know if there are any portraits of him :hmmm: . Anyway, I second both suggestions
Here's Ambiorix..... Not historical though but a quiet a heroic recreation according to the Belgians.... atleast there's a reference....