Loyalty

[Ahlerich]

first of all - awesome mod

the units, how to recruit the guild thing, costs&upkeep, the loading screens, map, ai...all really great!

the only thing i really hate in this mod and before in deus lo vult is the loyalty thing. i was playing for hours and had fun big time but all of a sudden a general becomes disloyal and in the following 2 or 3 turns 5 or six generals became disloyal too.

now i have a bunch of morons on the map that i cant disband, assasinate nor move. i guess its a matter of taste like everything but i plain dont like that.

so i really would like to know how i can get rid of the loyalty thing. if its a big deal to get rid of it becaue its tied to the trait system i would like to know what to do to not get generals without loyalty.

oh and if anybody removed this feature i d be glad if he could email the files to me so i can disable it too.

i hope nobody takes offense in my opinion. i am sure there are people who like this feature but plz accept that i dont and dont take personal offense in it.

[Socal_infidel]

first of all - awesome mod

the units, how to recruit the guild thing, costs&upkeep, the loading screens, map, ai...all really great!

Why thanks you! Thanks you very much!

the only thing i really hate in this mod and before in deus lo vult is the loyalty thing. i was playing for hours and had fun big time but all of a sudden a general becomes disloyal and in the following 2 or 3 turns 5 or six generals became disloyal too.

now i have a bunch of morons on the map that i cant disband, assasinate nor move. i guess its a matter of taste like everything but i plain dont like that.

so i really would like to know how i can get rid of the loyalty thing. if its a big deal to get rid of it becaue its tied to the trait system i would like to know what to do to not get generals without loyalty.

oh and if anybody removed this feature i d be glad if he could email the files to me so i can disable it too.

i hope nobody takes offense in my opinion. i am sure there are people who like this feature but plz accept that i dont and dont take personal offense in it.

No offense taken.

Open up the export_descr_character_traits.txt file in the PDER/data folder.

Now find these lines:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

;*********  LOYALTY SYSTEM TRIGGERS  *********

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Loyalstarta
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles >= 1
    and IsGeneral
    and Trait Disobedient = 0   ;as this is the initial step- no returning back...
    and Trait Obedient = 0
    and Attribute Loyalty >= 6
    and not IsFactionLeader
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Obedient 1 Chance 25   ;tended this way

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Rebelstarta
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles >= 1
    and IsGeneral
    and Attribute Loyalty <= 5
    and Trait Disobedient = 0
    and Trait Obedient = 0
    and not IsFactionLeader
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Disobedient 1 Chance 25   ;tended this way

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Rebelstart
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles >= 1
    and IsGeneral
    and Trait Disobedient = 0
    and Trait Obedient = 0
    and not IsFactionLeader
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Disobedient 1 Chance 33   ;about a third of the rest of the nobility goes down this path

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Rebelend
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles >= 2
    and IsGeneral
    and Trait Disobedient = 1
    and not Trait Obedient >= 1
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Disobedient 1 Chance 33    ;eventually you WILL gain it it's just a matter of time...

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Loyalstart
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles >= 1
    and IsGeneral
    and Trait Disobedient = 0   ;as this is the initial step- no returning back...
    and Trait Obedient = 0
    and not IsFactionLeader
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Obedient 1 Chance 66   ;about two-thirds of the rest of the nobility goes down this path

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Loyalend
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles >= 2
    and IsGeneral
    and Trait Obedient = 1
    and not Trait Disobedient >= 1
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Obedient 1 Chance 33    ;eventually you WILL gain it it's just a matter of time...

;------------------------------------------
Trigger civil_war_or_not1
    WhenToTest BecomesFactionLeader

    Condition Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 0
    and SettlementsTaken >= 5
        and FactionIsLocal


    Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance  1

;------------------------------------------
Trigger civil_war_or_not2
    WhenToTest BecomesFactionLeader

    Condition Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 0
    and SettlementsTaken >= 10
        and FactionIsLocal


    Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance  2

;------------------------------------------
Trigger civil_war_or_not3
    WhenToTest BecomesFactionLeader

    Condition Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 0
    and SettlementsTaken >= 20
    and FactionIsLocal    ;If the ai gets this big it deserves to STAY this big.


    Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance  3

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Usurper1   ;usurper or asserting newly blue hued blood.
    WhenToTest BecomesFactionLeader

    Condition Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 0
    and SettlementsTaken >= 5
    and Trait SonofKingPrince <= 0
    and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance  3

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Usurper1ai   ;usurper or asserting newly blue hued blood.
    WhenToTest BecomesFactionLeader

    Condition Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 0
    and SettlementsTaken >= 8
    and Trait SonofKingPrince <= 0
    and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance  1

;------------------------------------------
Trigger civil_war_or_not_progress
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsFactionLeader
    and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 1
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance  2

;------------------------------------------

Trigger civil_war_or_not_progress_expedite  ;since the king isn't around... let's check again...
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsFactionLeader
    and DistanceCapital >= 50
    and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 1
    and FactionIsLocal    ;not for the AI

    Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance  3

;------------------------------------------
Trigger civil_war_or_not_progress_expedite_1  ;The King is a Bad Fink!
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsFactionLeader
    and Attribute Chivalry < -5
    and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 1
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance  2

;------------------------------------------
Trigger civil_war_or_not_progress_expedite_2  ;The King is a Fink, sorta...
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsFactionLeader
    and Attribute Chivalry < 0
    and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 1
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance  1

;------------------------------------------
Trigger civil_war_or_not_progress_stop  ;The King is a Truly, truly nice guy; reverse the possibility of war if it's not too late...
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsFactionLeader
    and Attribute Chivalry > 4
    and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 1
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Offensive_To_Nobles -1 Chance  4

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Authority_Loss_Over_Time
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsFactionLeader
    and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles > 1
    and Attribute Authority > 0
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Loseauthority 1 Chance  33

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Disgust_with_King's_Unreasonable_Finances  ;Despite his burdensome taxes to support war and other strange notions and we are still in debt!
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsFactionLeader
    and Treasury < 0
    and Attribute Authority <= 5
        and FactionIsLocal


    Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance  5

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Disgust_with_King's_Religiona   ;The King is not looking out for the salvation of our souls
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition FactionExcommunicated
    and IsFactionLeader
    and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 0
    and CharacterReligion catholic
    and Attribute Piety <= 4    ;so it isn't just a political thing the Pope is perpetrating but truly, disgustingly, a deserved Excommunication!
    and FactionIsLocal    ;AI has a lesser chance

    Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance  5

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Disgust_with_King's_Religionb_ai   ;The King is not looking out for the salvation of our souls
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition FactionExcommunicated
    and IsFactionLeader
    and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 0
    and CharacterReligion catholic
    and Attribute Piety <= 4    ;so it isn't just a political thing the Pope is perpetrating but truly, disgustingly, a deserved Excommunication!
    and FactionIsLocal    ;strictly AI

    Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance  2

;------------------------------------------
Trigger cleanup_the_king1
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsFactionLeader
    and Trait Obedient >= 1
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Disobedient 1 Chance  100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger cleanup_the_king2
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsFactionLeader
    and Trait Disobedient >= 1
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Obedient 1 Chance  100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger cleanup_the_king3
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsFactionLeader
    and Trait Loves_Father > 0
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Hates_Father 1 Chance  100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger cleanup_the_king4
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsFactionLeader
    and Trait Hates_Father > 0
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Loves_Father 1 Chance  100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger cleanup_the_nobility1
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsGeneral
    and Trait Disobedient >= 1
    and FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles < 1
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Obedient 1 Chance  100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger cleanup_the_nobility2
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsGeneral
    and Trait Obedient >= 1
    and FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles < 1
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Disobedient 1 Chance  100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger cleanup_the_nobility_that_went_gray
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsGeneral
    and Trait Disobedient >= 1
    and FactionType Slave

    Affects Obedient 1 Chance  100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger cleanup_the_nobility3
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsGeneral
    and Trait Locked >= 1
    and FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles < 1
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Locked -1 Chance  100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger lock_up_self_in_town
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsGeneral
    and EndedInSettlement
    and Trait Disobedient >= 2  ;must be full blown traitor... not just disobedient. Disob. is the warning level.
    and not Trait Locked > 0
        and FactionIsLocal

    Affects Locked 1 Chance  100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Near_Loyalty_trigger    ;AI OK for this one
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsGeneral
        and not IsFactionHeir
        and not IsFactionLeader
        and DistanceCapital < 10
        and not Trait Near_Loyalty >= 4
        and not FactionType mongols
        and not FactionType timurids
            and FactionIsLocal

Affects Near_Loyalty  1  Chance  20

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Far_Loyalty_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsGeneral
        and not IsOnCrusade
        and not IsOnJihad
        and not IsFactionHeir    ;so send your King or his son on Crusade- not some nameless noble!  Once the crusade ends if you want to hold the region... need someone loyal.
        and not IsFactionLeader
        and DistanceCapital > 40
        and not Trait Far_Loyalty >= 10
        and not FactionType mongols
        and not FactionType timurids
            and FactionIsLocal


Affects Far_Loyalty  1  Chance  15

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Titled_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition HasAncType dearmad_her
        and not IsFactionHeir
        and not IsFactionLeader
        and Trait Untitled >= 1
            and FactionIsLocal

Affects Titled 2  Chance  100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Titled_trigger2
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition HasAncType dearmad_her
        and not IsFactionHeir
        and not IsFactionLeader
        and not Trait Titled >= 1
            and FactionIsLocal

Affects Titled 1  Chance  100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Stripped_of_title
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition not HasAncType dearmad_her
        and Trait Titled >= 1  ;so assume at one point he had it.
        and not IsFactionLeader
            and FactionIsLocal

Affects Stripped 1  Chance  100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Untitled_trigger
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition not HasAncType dearmad_her
        and not IsFactionHeir
        and not IsFactionLeader
        and not Trait Untitled >= 1
            and FactionIsLocal

Affects Untitled 2  Chance  100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger loyalty_check_bad_odds_penalty
    WhenToTest PostBattle

    Condition IsGeneral
          and not WonBattle
          and not WasAttacker
          and BattleSuccess >= average
          and I_ConflictType Normal
          and BattleOdds < 0.5

    Affects DiscontentGeneral  1  Chance  100 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger loyalty_check2_good_odds_bonus
    WhenToTest PostBattle

    Condition IsGeneral
          and WonBattle
          and I_ConflictType Normal
          and BattleOdds >= 1.5

    Affects ContentGeneral  1  Chance  100 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger loyalty_check3
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition FactionExcommunicated
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and IsGeneral
          and Attribute Piety > 4
          and FactionIsLocal

    Affects DiscontentGeneral  1  Chance  20 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger loyalty_check5
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and not GovernorBuildingExists >= stone_wall
          and not GovernorBuildingExists >= castle
          and Attribute Command > 4
          and DistanceCapital > 50
          and FactionIsLocal

    Affects DiscontentGeneral  1  Chance  10 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger loyalty_check6
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and GovernorBuildingExists >= large_stone_wall
          and Attribute Command < 6
          and FactionIsLocal

    Affects ContentGeneral  1  Chance  10 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger loyalty_check7
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and GovernorBuildingExists >= fortress
          and Attribute Command < 6
          and FactionIsLocal

    Affects ContentGeneral  1  Chance  10 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger loyalty_check8
    WhenToTest GeneralPrisonersRansomedCaptor

    Condition RansomType execute
          and NumCapturedSoldiers > 80
          and Attribute Chivalry >= 4

    Affects DiscontentGeneral  1  Chance  33 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger loyalty_check8_extermination
    WhenToTest ExterminatePopulation

    Condition Attribute Chivalry >= 4

    Affects DiscontentGeneral  1  Chance  33 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger loyalty_check9
    WhenToTest BrotherAdopted

    Condition not IsFactionHeir

    Affects DiscontentGeneral  1  Chance  33 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger loyalty_check10_mutually_chivalrous
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Chivalry >= 3
          and FactionLeaderAttribute Chivalry >= 3
          and FactionIsLocal

    Affects ContentGeneral  1  Chance  10 

;------------------------------------------
Trigger loyalty_check11_mutually_chivalrous
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition IsGeneral
          and not IsFactionLeader
          and Attribute Chivalry >= 3
          and FactionLeaderAttribute Chivalry <= -3
          and FactionIsLocal

    Affects DiscontentGeneral  1  Chance  10

Either delete them. Or comment them out by placing ; in front of them...

Should be save-game compatible. But not sure what's going to happen to dudes already locked up and rebelling.

Cheers! Thanks for trying out my mod!

S_I

[Ahlerich]

sweet, thats good news!
thanks a lot for the quick reply.
i ll try that out tomorrow and start from scratch.