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    Welcome all!!

    This is from now on the main Historians quarters!! Where we post historical information, maps, research, and more things as such.

    It is better being one centralised location then spread throughout the main thread. Here is the map of the mod:



    Now starts from around 1070-1090 to 1492. The factions are:

    The factions :
    1- Leinster
    2- Aragon
    3- Hre
    4- England
    5- France
    6- Venice
    7- Denmark
    8- Sweden
    9- Norway
    10- Teutonic Order (emerging faction)
    11- Spain
    12- Portugal
    13- Ottoman Empire (Replaced Caliphate of Cordoue)
    14- Poland
    15- Serbia
    16- Hungary
    17- Bulgaria
    18- Sicilia
    19- The Brabant
    20- Croatia
    21- Scotland
    22- Kiev (Kieven Rus Good work sinople on thinking on the same wave-length)
    23- Papal States
    24- Lithuania
    25- Byzance
    26- Duchy of Guyenne/ Aquitania
    27- Swiss Conf. (emerging faction > 1291)
    28- Clippings/Friesland
    29- Wales
    30- Duchy of Bohemia
    31- Rebels


    And thus as opened Lets enjoy it, but do it accurately Wikipedia should be avoided at all costs if possible, but it is always good to have some of it. Remember if you do (like my basic historical paragraphs on some of my research) include References to primary resources as well


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    I think The regions of Hungary should be in 1100

    Pannonia(Dunántúl): Fehérvár
    The Hungarian town was founded in 972 by High Prince Géza on four islands in the moors of the streams Gaja and Sárvíz. He also had a small stone castle built. Székesfehérvár was first mentioned in a document by the Bishopric of Veszprém, 1009, as Alba Civitas.

    Contrary to popular belief, Géza's son St. Stephen was not crowned here, because the basilica was completed only in 1039, one year after his death. Stephen granted town rights to the settlement, surrounded the town with a plank wall, had a provosty and a school built and under his rule the construction of the basilica began (it was built between 1003 and 1038). The settlement had about 3500 inhabitants at this time and was the royal seat for hundreds of years. 43 kings were crowned in Székesfehérvár (the last one in 1526) and 15 kings were buried here (the last one in 1540).

    In the 12th century the town prospered, churches, monasteries and houses were built. It was an important station on the pilgrim road to the Holy Land. Andrew II issued the Golden Bull here in 1222. The Bull included the rights of nobles and the duties of the king, and the Constitution of Hungary was based on it until 1848. It is often compared to England's Magna Charta, which predates it by just seven years.

    During the Mongol Invasion of Hungary (1241–1242) the invaders could not get close to the castle: they could not get through the surrounding marshes because of flooding caused by melting snow. In the 13th–15th centuries the town prospered, several palaces were built. In the 14th century Székesfehérvár was surrounded by city walls.


    Felvidék (now it's slovakia): Pozsony
    In the 10th century, the territory of Bratislava became part of Hungary (called "the Kingdom of Hungary" from 1000) and became a key economic and administrative centre on the kingdom's frontier.[27] This strategic position destined the city to be the site of frequent attacks and battles, but also brought it economic development and high political status.

    Alföld: Várad
    Oradea dates back to a small 10th century castle, while its bishopric was founded during the 11th century by King Ladislaus I of Hungary. The first documented mention of its name was in 1113 under the Latin name Varadinum.

    Erdély (Transylvania): Gyulafehérvár
    In the 9th century, the city was mentioned under the name of Belgrad / Belograd ("White Castle" in Slavic languages), the Hungarian Gestas mention a ruler named Geula/Gyula/Jula that had discovered the city and made it the capital of his dukedom during 10th century. Following the establishment of the Catholic Transylvanian episcopacy after Stephen I of Hungary adopted Catholicism, the first cathedral was built in the 11th century. The present (Catholic) cathedral was built in the 12th or 13th centuries. In 1442, John Hunyadi, Voivod of Transylvania, used the citadel to make his preparations for a major battle against the Ottoman Turks. The cathedral was enlarged during his reign and served as his place of entombment after his death.

    Salvonia(Szlavónia): Zagreb (or other settlement)
    The history of Zagreb dates as far back as 1094 when the Hungarian King Ladislaus founded a diocese. Alongside the bishop's see the canonical settlement Kaptol developed north of the Cathedral, as did the fortified settlement Gradec on the neighbouring hill. Today the latter is Zagreb's Upper Town (Gornji Grad) and is one of the best preserved urban nuclei in Croatia. Both settlements came under Tatar attack in 1242. As a sign of gratitude for offering him a safe haven from the Tatar the Croatian and Hungarian King Bela IV bestowed Gradec with a Golden Bull, which offered its citizens exemption from county rule and autonomy, as well as its own judicial system



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    Székesfehérvár (Not from wiki it's from hungarian webpage):
    One of Hungary's oldest and most historical cities, in medieval times Székesfehérvár was a coronation and burial place of the Hungarian kings. It is the cultural and economic centre of Fejér County.
    Székesfehérvár is one of the largest settlements in Transdanubia. It is the county seat and the cultural and economic centre of Fejér County. Approximately 40% of the county's inhabitants live here.

    Reaching back to the Hungarian Settlement, the history of the city is preserved in the town centre heritage buildings. Székesfehérvár was the encampment of the tribe of the ruling Chief Árpád and Prince Géza subsequently made the settlement his reigning seat.

    Built in 1018 during the reign of King St Stephen I, the Basilica dedicated to the Assumption of Our Lady housed the regalia and the country's archives. A national memorial site in the present day, the remains of the basilica tell of those times gone by. Although Buda, Esztergom and Visegrád also competed for the status of capital city from the 14th century onward, coronations and royal burials were held here until the mid 16th century. 32 Hungarian kings were crowned within the city walls.

    The expanding Ottoman Empire occupied the ancient city of Alba from 1543 and shaped it to its own image, translating its name to Istolni Belgrade. During the 150 years of Turkish occupation life became oriental inside the city walls. The 500 year old cultural heritage almost completely disintegrated in the Turkish times leaving only a medieval lapidarium and some Latin chronicles to tell its history.

    At the end of the 18th century the city became an episcopal seat on the orders of Queen Maria Theresa, thus converting it into one of the centres of Roman Catholicism. The Jesuit order founded a school and a pharmacy here. The present aspect of the historic town centre was achieved during those times.

    Built on medieval foundations, the houses of the Baroque centre were preserved as heritage sites, but new housing estates have also been built. The city and its surroundings were the most dynamically growing regions of Hungary in the 1990's.

    Milestones of the history of Pozsony
    10th-11th century - the castle becomes border fortress of Hungarian Kingdom

    1000-1038 - Coins with "Breslava Civitas" (City Bratislava) were minted.

    1052 - German king Henrich III took the city and the castle.

    1189 - Meeting place of the third crusade led by Friedrich I. Barbarossa

    1291 - City got the privileges from king Andrew III.

    1302 - Rudolf, Austrian ally of Karl Robert, took the city.
    - The first appearance of city seal.

    1376 - Guilds got their statues from the city.

    1405 - Zigmund the Luxembourg gives the rights of free royal city to Bratislava,
    in 1430 also the minting privilege and in 1436 the coat-of-arms.

    1432 - Husites attempt to take the city; conspiracy was disclosed.

    1464 - Mathias Corvinius confirms the city rights; in 1465 he founds
    Academia Istropolitana - the first university in Slovak area.

    1468 - Mathias Corvinius gives the city the right of sword.

    1526 - After the Mohacs battle Hungarian parliament appoints in 1536 Bratislava
    the capital of Hungarian Kingdom and the residence of the parliament.
    Ferdinand I. Habsbourg was appointed the king.

    From year 1000 Pozsony is a part of Hungary. In 1291 Bratislava receives town priviliges and in 1405 Bratislava becomes "free royal town". During years 1467-1490 Bratislava becomes a seat of important university Academia Istropolitana (Universitas Istropolitana) founded by Matthias Corvinus. Between years 1536-1784 Bratislava is the capital of Hungary.


    Nagyvárad History
    XIth century: King Ladislas the First (1077 – 1095) built a fortified monastery with Virgin Saint Mary as patron. Later, he lays the foundations of the Roman-Catholic Bishopric of Oradea within the Fortress.

    June 27, 1192: Celestinus Pope the Third issued a document which sanctified King Ladislas the First, the founder of Oradea Fortress. This act and the very occasion made the fortress a continuously prestigious pilgrimage place.

    XIth – XIIth centuries: The Fortress was a fortification (castrum), made from earthen walls and stockade, some stone walls and several wooden watch towers at the gates and the corners of the inner fortress. Year of 1241: In the famous poem Carmen miserabile, Master Ruggero di Puglia describes the conquest and setting on fire of Oradea Fortress, during the Tartar-Mongolian invasion.

    February 1245: Sequel to the Lyon Council – where the draft of a coherent policy of Catholic states against the Tartar threat is put forward – a wide reconstruction process starts in Oradea as well, thanks to a series of facilities given to the city.

    Around 1290: Roland, son of Toma - from the ruling family known as Borşa of Transylvania – has a family conflict with the royalty, to which the bishops of Bihor were loyal. As a result, he attacks the Fortress under reconstruction and causes great damages.

    XIVth century: The new mediaeval fortress, in heptagonal shape, is erected; the precinct is irregularly towered and embattled. The gate is protected with two solid towers; to the south, a Gothic Bishopric Palace is erected, whose outer wall is also a siding. On the south-western side of the wall we can find the second entrance to the Fortress.

    1342 – 1370: An impressive Gothic cathedral is erected, with three aisles and an octagonal altar, a facade with two towers and massive abutments; ample decoration work is done inside and various altars are built.

    1360 – 1370: Brothers Martin and George from Cluj build the statues of the three Canonized Hungarian kings: Stephen I, Ladislas I and Emerick. They will remain inside the Fortress.
    May 20, 1390: The same sculptors uncover the equestrian statue of King Ladislas the First, in natural size and entirely gilded, erected at the order of King Sigismund of Luxembourg (1387 – 1437).

    August 25, 1401: Pope Bonifacius the IXth confers a privilege to the Fortress cathedral, bringing it to the same rank as San Marco church of Venice and Santa Maria Portiuncula of Assisi. Thus, the cathedral becomes a pilgrimage place for Christians from all over Europe.

    1427: The Oradea Fortress Bishopric had its own corps of troops (banderia), which consisted of 500 riders and as much infantry, recruited especially from among Romanian kings of Bihor County. The bishops Giovanni de Dominis da Arbe, leader of Varna Crusade (1444) and Perenyi Ferenc (Mohacs Battle, 1526) fell on the battlefield leading this corps.

    March 31, 1412: For two weeks, around Easter, King Vladislav Jagello of Poland, accompanied by King Sigismund of Luxembourg, arrive to the Fortress. Their close relationship was also facilitated by Mircea cel Batran, king of the Romanian Country.

    XIIth – XVth centuries: 7 royalties are buried inside the cathedral or in its churchyard: King Ladislas the 1st, Andrew the 2nd, Stephen the 2nd, Ladislas the Cuman the 4th, Queen Beatrix and Queen Mary and Sigismund of Luxembourg - Hungarian king and German emperor. In 1367 follows Elisabeth, wife of Duke Ladislas of Opulia, the Paladin of Hungary, daughter of Nicholas Alexander Basarab.

    XIVth – XVth centuries: The bishops of Oradea fulfill diplomatic assignments for Hungarian kings at various European courts, such as: Andrew Bathori (1329 – 1245) for King Charles Robert of Anjou in Italy, at the Naples court (1333); Demetrius (1345 – 1372) for King Louis the Great at the Romanian Country kingly court - Nicholas Alexander Basarab and in Italy at the Naples court; John Filipecz Pruis for King Mattew Corvin in Italy, at Naples (1476), Urbino and Rome (1482), Milan (1487).

    XVth century: The „Golden Age” of the fortress, as it becomes an important center of Humanism and Renaissance in Central and Eastern Europe. The most important bishops of the time are Andrea Scolari, also known as „The Florentine” (1409 – 1426), John Vitez of Zredna (1444 – 1465) and Sigismund Thurzo (1506 – 1512).

    XVth century: The illustrious physicist of Vienna university, Georg Peuerbach (1423 - 1461), builds an astronomic observatory in Oradea and, establishing the zero meridian here, calculates the sun and moon eclipses in his work, “Tabulas Varadienses”.

    1439 – 1440: The Canonical lecturer Vepi Peter reorganizes the Capitular School of Oradea and creates a foundation for its students.

    February 7, 1474: The Pasha of Simendria, Ali Oglu Malcovici, perform a rapid attack on Oradea Fortress in the winter, robbing it without notice.

    Zagreb
    Zagreb was founded in 1094 by the Hungarian king Ladislaus I along the left bank of the Medvescak. A fortified town began it's development about the same time on the neighbouring hill, later united with Zagreb. The meaning of Zagreb is "behind the hill". Both parts were devastated in 1242 by the Tatar invasion, which led to further fortification. In the centuries of Turkish expansion, the new system of walls surrounded the whole city.

    Zagreb received the privileges of a free royal town early in the medieval, and gradually became an administrative and political centre of the region, the headquarter of the Croatian viceroy in the 17th century, and the seat of the Croatian Royal Council in the 18th century. The University of Zagreb was founded in 1669, being one of the oldest and largest is Southern-Europe. National, economic, political and cultural development became more intense in the 19th century, the first railroad and a horse tram were introduced, the gasworks and waterworks began operation, and the surrounding industry was in a boom.

    After the First World War the Croatian Diet decided for the independence from the Austro-Hungarian Empire in Zagreb. In the brief period of the independent state of Croatia during the Second World War Zagreb became the official centre, and the centre of resistance as well. The post-war communist government caused overall stagnation in the economy, but the population of the city was rising, and the high-rise suburbs developed. During the war of independence Zagreb saw little fighting. Since 1995, as the capital of Croatia the city is on the way to becoming a Central European metropolis.

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    Hail!!

    Good work man! I'll compile it in my research notes that will hand into Sinople and the team. I'll upload it for pple to download It'll be from me and you.

    I've found Poland will have 5;

    Duchy of Krakow
    Mosavia
    Pomerania
    Silesia
    Greater Poland

    Some of it wasn't part of them but at 1100 most of the regions were under the Polish Crown. The capital was in Krakow.

    It should be pleasing then once its all finished, then we can just spam on histories

    Until next time all the best;


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    Hey Vladimir thanks
    yes i think that's right.

    So Hungary(Fehérvár, Pozsony, Várad, Gyulafehérvár, Zágráb(zagreb)) and Poland(Duchy of Krakow Mosavia Pomerania Silesia Greater Poland) will have 5-5 that's correct

    Krakkow
    The Middle Ages
    Kazimierz WielkiCertain facts and dates from the city's history can only be given after the year 1000. A castle and a borough which existed at that time on Wawel Hill were fortified with a palisade and an earth wall. In the 10th and 11th centuries the first brick edifices were built (the castle and Romanesque churches), the cathedral and a basilica, as well as the St. Feliks and Adaukt Church. In the year 1000 a bishopric was established in Krakow. In 1150 a cathedral school, the best educational establishment in Poland before the foundation of the university, was set up at the castle church. The regalia (the crown and sceptre of Boleslaw the Brave) were kept in the cathedral treasury. A rich library, which had 28 books, included classic literature along with religious works, comedies by Terence, elegies by Ovid, and historical monographs by Sallust. Certain facts and dates from the city's history can only be given as being 'after the year 1000'. A castle and a borough which existed at that time on Wawel Hill were fortified with a palisade and an earth wall. In the 10th and 11th centuries the first brick edifices were built (the castle and Romanesque churches), the cathedral and a basilica, as well as the St. Felix and Adaukt Church. In the year 1000 a bishopric was established in Krakow. In 1150 a cathedral school, the best educational establishment in Poland before the foundation of the university, was set up at the castle church. The regalia (the crown and sceptre of Boleslaus the Brave) were kept in the cathedral treasury. It had a rich library, with 28 books, including classic literature along with religious works, comedies by Terence, elegies by Ovid, and historical monographs by Sallust. In 1142, Bishop Robert consecrated the "second" Wawel cathedral, which had been built to replace the destroyed Romanesque church. The body of St. Stanislas, after it had been moved from the church at Skałka, and the relicts of St. Florian, were solemnly laid to rest at the new cathedral. The feudal division of Poland and continuous fighting between regional dukes did not interrupt the city's rapid development. In 1138, Krakow Castle became more important as the official home of the highest duke and, to some degree, the capital of Poland, according to the last will of Boleslaus the Wry-Mouthed. The buildings destroyed during the invasion of the Tatars in 1241 were replaced by new ones built in Gothic style. The location of the city according to the Magdeburg law in 1257 gave it a new layout with a centrally situated marketplace. In the 13th century the city was provided with a new fortification system of city walls, towers and fortified city gates. This system was gradually added to and modernised over the next few centuries. January 20, 1320 was the date of the first coronation; others followed over the next five centuries. The cathedral also became the Royal burial site. The reign of Casimir the Great (Casimir III 1310-1370), patron of the arts and sciences, proved to be of great importance for the city. The king founded two new cities, Kazimierz and Kleparz, which were closely connected with Krakow. Gothic, Franciscan and Dominican churches were built. St. Mary's Church, as well as the Corpus Christi Church and St. Catherine's Church were built in Kazimierz. Renovation of the cathedral and castle on Wawel Hill, and the Cloth Hall, Town Hall and other public buildings were continued. In 1364, Kazimierz the Great founded Krakow Academy, which was the origin of the later Jagiellonian University.

    Jagiellonian epoch
    Sarkofag króla Kazimierza JagiellonczykaSepulchral sculpture on the sarcophagus of King Kazimierz Jagiellonczyk in Wawel Cathedral - masterpiece of Veit Stoss Sepulchral sculpture on the sarcophagus of King Casimir Jagiellonczyk in Wawel Cathedral - masterpiece of Veit Stoss

    Ladislaus Jagiello, Grand Duke of Lithuania, was crowned King of Poland in 1386 and started the greatest Polish dynasty, which ruled Poland for over 200 years. Krakow became the capital of a monarchy spreading over genuinely Polish territories as well as vast Lithuanian-Russian areas. The royal court played an important role in supporting artistic and cultural life. Outstanding humanists, scientists and artists came here from Italy, Germany and other countries. Famous sculptor Veit Stoss came from Nurnberg in 1477 to carve a large altar for St. Mary's Church by order of the citizens. After further rebuilding between 1499 and 1536, Wawel Castle was a pearl of Renaissance architecture, boasting the "Zygmuntowska" Chapel - the most beautiful sepulchral chapel in Poland. The castle was decorated with a collection of Arras tapestries ordered from Flanders. It proudly played the role of the royal seat of a powerful country: well up in the fashionable world of its time.

    Cathedral seal (13th century) representing the Romanesque cathedral founded by Ladislaus Herman
    Pieczęć katedralna (13th century)Cathedral seal (13th century) representing the Romanesque cathedral founded by Wladyslaw Herman At the end of the 16th century Warsaw became the capital of Poland. Krakow lost its importance although it preserved its formal role as the site for royal coronations and burials.

    Silesia
    Early documents mention a number of tribes believed to have lived in Lower Silesia. A Bavarian geographer (ca. 845) reported the Slenzanie (from which it is believed Silesia takes its name) and Dziadoshanie tribes, while a document of the bishopric of Prague (1086) listed the Zlasane, Trebovane, Poborane, and Dedositze tribes. At the same time Upper Silesia was inhabited by the Opolanie, Lupiglaa, and Golen*****e tribes. In the 9th and 10th centuries the territory was subject to the Moravian and then Bohemian rulers of the neighbouring area covered by today's Czech Republic. In 990 Silesia was incorporated into Poland by Mieszko I.

    Silesia was split into Lower and Upper parts in 1172 during the period of Poland's feudal fragmentation, when the land was divided between two sons of Ladislaus the Exile (W?adys?aw Wygnaniec): Boles?aw the Tall ruling over the Lower Silesia with the capital in Wroc?aw and Mieszko Pl?tonogi ruling over Upper Silesia with the capital in Opole.

    Later Silesia was divided into as many as 17 duchies.

    Pomerania
    Polish Pomorze, German Pommern (from Slavic po, �along�; morze, �sea�) historic region of northeastern Europe lying along the Baltic coastal plain between the Oder and the Vistula rivers. Politically, the name also came to include the area west of the Oder as far as Stralsund, including the island of Rügen (Rugia). Most of Pomerania is now part of Poland, but its westernmost section is in eastern Germany, as reflected in the name of Mecklenburg-West Pomerania Land (state). The region is generally flat, and there are numerous small rivers and, along the east coast, many lakes.

    Pomerania was inhabited successively by Celts, Germanic tribes, and, by the 5th century AD, the Slavic Pomeranians (Pomorzanie) and Polabs. Mieszko I, prince of Poland (d. 992), mastered it, and in 1000 his successor, Boleslaw I the Brave, organized a diocese in Pomerania with its seat at Kolobrzeg. A local dynasty then ruled Pomerania and also the region to the west, later called Mecklenburg. On the death of Duke Swiatobor in 1107, his three sons each inherited a district: Boguslaw I received the eastern area, later called Hinterpommern (Pomerania Ulterior, or Eastern Pomerania), including Gdansk (Danzig); Warcislaw I received the western area, Vorpommern (West Pomerania) including Wologoszcz (Wolgast); and Ratibor obtained the central area including Szczecin (Stettin). German immigration into the western and central regions of Pomerania began in the late 12th century. This resulted in the Germanization of the towns and later of the nobility and the countryside.

    Until the 17th century, Polish dukes ruled western and central Pomerania (the duchies of Wolgast and Stettin) under the suzerainty of the Holy Roman Empire. The elector of Brandenburg acquired these duchies in 1637, when the last Polish duke, Boguslaw XIV, who had united them, died without issue. Sweden received Western Pomerania by the Peace of Westphalia (1648); part of it was returned to Brandenburg-Prussia in 1720, and the remainder (Stralsund and Rügen) was recovered by Prussia in 1815. Prussia united western and central Pomerania into one province called Pommern.

    Eastern Pomerania was held by the Teutonic Knights from 1308 to 1454, when it was reconquered by Poland. In 1772 it was annexed by Prussia and made into the province of West Prussia. Part of it was restored to Poland after World War I; and the remainder, together with central Pomerania, became Polish in 1945. The German population of eastern and central Pomerania was expelled westward and replaced by Poles. Western Pomerania was incorporated into the German Democratic Republic.

    GREATER POLAND (WIELKOPOLSKA)

    Greater Poland (Wielkopolska) is a historical region in western and central Poland, occupying the basins of the Warta, part of the middle Oder and the lower Vistula.

    It is the country's oldest province, dotted with monuments from the formative years of the Polish state.

    The region's capital is Poznan, a historic city which attracts the biggest crowds of tourists (as well as visitors to the international trade fairs). This is where the Piast Route begins, which covers the places that were the political and ecclesiastical centres of Poland under its first royal dynasty a thousand years ago. Other towns worth seeing are Kórnik near Poznan, with a splendid castle and grounds; Gniezno, Poland's first capital; and Biskupin.

    The name "Wielkopolska" (Greater Poland) appeared only in the 14th-15th century as a Polonised form of the Latin Polonia Maior meaning the most ancient part of the Polish state. Before that, the area, inhabited by the Polanie, was simply known as "the land of the Polanian tribe". The fortified settlements of Kruszwica and Gniezno were built between the 7th and 10th century AD, soon followed by Poznań and Kalisz. Greater Poland was the central part of the principality ruled from Gniezno by Duke Mieszko I and King Boleslaus the Brave (Boleslaw Chrobry). Political ascendancy came to an end for Greater Poland in the mid-11th century, when Casimir the Restorer (Kazimierz Odnowiciel) moved the capital to Cracow.

    The subsequent centuries saw both spells of fortune and misfortune. Situated on important trading routes, Poznan flourished and grew into one of Europe's major cities.



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    Hungarian History
    Stephen died in 1038 and was canonized in 1083. Despite pagan revolts and a series of succession struggles after his death, Hungary grew stronger and expanded (see fig. 2). Transylvania was conquered and colonized with Magyars, Szekels (a tribe related to the Magyars), and German Saxons in the eleventh and twelfth centuries. In 1090 Laszlo I (1077-95) occupied Slavonia, and in 1103 Kalman I (1095-1116) assumed the title of king of Croatia. Croatia was never assimilated into Hungary; rather, it became an associate kingdom administered by a ban, or civil governor.

    The eleventh and twelfth centuries were relatively peaceful, and Hungary slowly developed a feudal economy. Crop production gradually supplemented stock breeding, but until the twelfth century planting methods remained crude because tillers farmed each plot until it was exhausted, then moved on to fresh land. Gold, silver, and salt mining boosted the king's revenues. Despite the minting of coins, cattle remained the principal medium of exchange. Towns began developing when an improvement in agricultural methods and the clearing of additional land produced enough surplus to support a class of full-time craftsmen. By the reign of Bela III (1173-96), Hungary was one of the leading powers in southeastern Europe, and in the thirteenth century Hungary's nobles were trading gold, silver, copper, and iron with western Europe for luxury goods.

    Until the end of the twelfth century, the king's power remained paramount in Hungary. He was the largest landowner, and income from the crown lands nearly equaled the revenues generated from mines, customs, tolls, and the mint. In the thirteenth century, however, the social structure changed, and the crown's absolute power began to wane. As the crown lands became a less important source of royal revenues, the king found it expedient to make land grants to nobles to ensure their loyalty. King Andrew II (1205-35), a profligate spender on foreign military adventures and domestic luxury, made huge land grants to nobles who fought for him. These nobles, many of whom were foreign knights, soon made up a class of magnates whose wealth and power far outstripped that of the more numerous, and predominantly Magyar, lesser nobles. When Andrew tried to meet burgeoning expenses by raising the serfs' taxes, thereby indirectly slashing the lesser nobles' incomes, the lesser nobles rebelled. In 1222 they forced Andrew to sign the Golden Bull, which limited the king's power, declared the lesser nobles (all free men not included among the great Barons or magnates) legally equal to the magnates and gave them the right to resist the king's illegal acts. The lesser nobles also began to present Andrew with grievances, a practice that evolved into the institution of the parliament, or Diet.

    Andrew II's son Bela IV (1235-79) tried with little success to reestablish royal preeminence by reacquiring lost crown lands. His efforts, however, created a deep rift between the crown and the magnates just as the Mongols were sweeping westward across Russia toward Europe. Aware of the danger, Bela ordered the magnates and lesser nobles to mobilize. Few responded, and the Mongols routed Bela's army at Mohi on April 11, 1241. Bela fled first to Austria, where Duke Frederick of Babenberg held him for ransom, then to Dalmatia. The Mongols reduced Hungary's towns and villages to ashes and slaughtered half the population before news arrived in 1242 that the Great Khan Ogotai had died in Karakorum. The Mongols withdrew, sparing Bela and what remained of his kingdom.

    Bela realized that reconstruction would require the magnates' support, so he abandoned his attempts to recover former crown lands. Instead, he granted crown lands to his supporters, reorganized the army by replacing light archers with heavy cavalry, and granted the magnates concessions to redevelop their lands and construct stone-and-mortar castles that would withstand enemy sieges. Bela repopulated the country with a wave of immigrants, transforming royal castles into towns and populating them with Germans, Italians, and Jews. Mining began anew, farming methods improved, and crafts and commerce developed in the towns. After Bela's reconstruction program, the magnates, with their new fortifications, emerged as Hungary's most powerful political force. However, by the end of the thirteenth century, they were fighting each other and carving out petty principalities.

    King Bela IV died in 1270, and the Árpad line expired in 1301 when Andrew III, who strove with some success to limit the magnates' power, unexpectedly died without a male heir. Anarchy characterized Hungary as factions of magnates vied for control.

    After the Árpad Dynasty ended, Hungary's nobles chose a series of foreign kings who reestablished strong royal authority. Hungary and the adjacent countries prospered for several centuries as Central Europe experienced an era of peace interrupted only by succession struggles. But over time, the onslaughts of the Turks and the strife of the Reformation weakened Hungary, and the country was eventually partitioned by the Turks and the Habsburgs.

    Golden Era

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    Hungary's first two foreign kings, Charles Robert and Louis I of the House of Anjou, ruled during one of the most glorious periods in the country's history. Central Europe was at peace, and Hungary and its neighbors prospered. Charles Robert (1308-42) won the protracted succession struggle after Andrew III's death. An Árpad descendant in the female line, Charles Robert was crowned as a child and raised in Hungary. He reestablished the crown's authority by ousting disloyal magnates and distributing their estates to his supporters. Charles Robert then ordered the magnates to recruit and equip small private armies called banderia. Charles Robert ruled by decree and convened the Diet only to announce his decisions. Dynastic marriages linked his family with the ruling families of Naples and Poland and heightened Hungary's standing abroad. Under Charles Robert, the crown regained control of Hungary's mines, and in the next two centuries the mines produced more than a third of Europe's gold and a quarter of its silver. Charles Robert also introduced tax reforms and a stable currency. Charles Robert's son and successor Louis I (1342-82) maintained the strong central authority Charles Robert had amassed. In 1351 Louis issued a decree that reconfirmed the Golden Bull, erased all legal distinctions between the lesser nobles and the magnates, standardized the serfs' obligations, and barred the serfs from leaving the lesser nobles' farms to seek better opportunities on the magnates' estates. The decree also established the entail system (see Glossary). Hungary's economy continued to flourish during Louis's reign. Gold and other precious metals poured from the country's mines and enriched the royal treasury, foreign trade increased, new towns and villages arose, and craftsmen formed guilds. The prosperity fueled a surge in cultural activity, and Louis promoted the illumination of manuscripts and in 1367 founded Hungary's first university. Abroad, however, Louis fought several costly wars and wasted time, funds, and lives in failed attempts to gain for his nephew the throne of Naples. While Louis was engaged in these activates, the Turks made their initial inroads into the Balkans. Louis became king of Poland in 1370 and ruled the two countries for twelve years.

    Sigismund (1387-37), Louis's son-in-law, won a bitter struggle for the throne after Louis died in 1382. Under Sigismund, Hungary's fortunes began to decline. Many Hungarian nobles despised Sigismund for his cruelty during the succession struggle, his long absences, and his costly foreign wars. In 1401 disgruntled nobles temporarily imprisoned the king. In 1403 another group crowned an anti-king, who failed to solidify his power but succeeded in selling Dalmatia to Venice. Sigismund failed to reclaim the territory. Sigismund became the Holy Roman Emperor in 1410 and king of Bohemia in 1419, thus requiring him to spend long periods abroad and enabling Hungary's magnates to acquire unprecedented power. In response, Sigismund created the office of palatine (see Glossary) to rule the country in his stead. Like earlier Hungarian kings, Sigismund elevated his supporters to magnate status and sold off crown lands to meet burgeoning expenses. Although Hungary's economy continued to flourish, Sigismund's expenses outstripped his income. He bolstered royal revenues by increasing the serfs' taxes and requiring cash payment. Social turmoil erupted late in Sigismund's reign as a result of the heavier taxes and renewed magnate pressure on the lesser nobles. Hungary's first peasant revolt erupted when a Transylvanian bishop ordered peasants to pay tithes in coin rather than in kind. The revolt was quickly checked, but it prompted Transylvania's Szekel, Magyar, and German nobles to form the Union of Three Nations, which was an effort to defend their privileges against any power except that of the king.

    Additional turmoil erupted when the Ottoman Turks expanded their empire into the Balkans. They crossed the Bosporus Straits in 1352, subdued Bulgaria in 1388, and defeated the Serbs at Kosovo Polje in 1389. Sigismund led a crusade against them in 1396, but the Ottomans routed his forces at Nicopolis, and he barely escaped with his life. Tamerlane's invasion of Anatolia in 1402-03 slowed the Turks' progress for several decades, but in 1437 Sultan Murad prepared to invade Hungary. Sigismund died the same year, and Hungary's next two kings, Albrecht V of Austria (1437-39) and Wladyslaw III of Poland (1439-44), who was known in Hungary as Ulaszlo I, both died during campaigns against the Turks.

    After Ulaszlo, Hungary's nobles chose an infant king, Laszlo V, and a regent, Janos Hunyadi, to rule the country until Laszlo V came of age. The son of a lesser nobleman of the Vlach tribe, Hunyadi rose to become a general, Transylvania's military governor, one of Hungary's largest landowners, and a war hero. He used his personal wealth and the support of the lesser nobles to win the regency and overcome the opposition of the magnates. Hunyadi then established a mercenary army funded by the first tax ever imposed on Hungary's nobles. He defeated the Ottoman forces in Transylvania in 1442 and broke their hold on Serbia in 1443, only to be routed at Varna (where Laszlo V himself perished) a year later. In 1456, when the Turkish army besieged Belgrade, Hunyadi defeated it in his greatest and final victory. Hunyadi died of the plague soon after.

    Some magnates resented Hunyadi for his popularity as well as for the taxes he imposed, and they feared that his sons might seize the throne from Laszlo. They coaxed the sons to return to Laszlo's court, where Hunyadi's elder son was beheaded. His younger son, Matyas, was imprisoned in Bohemia. However, lesser nobles loyal to Matyas soon expelled Laszlo. After Laszlo's death abroad, they paid ransom for Matyas, met him on the frozen Danube River, and proclaimed him king. Known as Matyas Corvinus (1458-90), he was, with one possible exception (Janos Zapolyai), the last Hungarian king to rule the country.

    Although Matyas regularly convened the Diet and expanded the lesser nobles' powers in the counties, he exercised absolute rule over Hungary by means of a secular bureaucracy. Matyas enlisted 30,000 foreign mercenaries in his standing army and built a network of fortresses along Hungary's southern frontier, but he did not pursue his father's aggressive anti-Turkish policy. Instead, Matyas launched unpopular attacks on Bohemia, Poland, and Austria, pursuing an ambition to become Holy Roman Emperor and arguing that he was trying to forge a unified Western alliance strong enough to expel the Turks from Europe. He eliminated tax exemptions and raised the serfs' obligations to the crown to fund his court and the military. The magnates complained that these measures reduced their incomes, but despite the stiffer obligations, the serfs considered Matyas a just ruler because he protected them from excessive demands and other abuses by the magnates. He also reformed Hungary's legal system and promoted the growth of Hungary's towns. Matyas was a true renaissance man and made his court a center of humanist culture; under his rule, Hungary's first books were printed and its second university was established. Matyas' library, the Corvina, was famous throughout Europe. In his quest for the imperial throne, Matyas eventually moved to Vienna, where he died in 1490.

    HISTORY OF POLAND

    INTRODUCTION

    While Poles trace their roots to prehistoric times, as a nation, present-day Poland dates its real origins to the year 966, when the foundation of Polish statehood was laid. That was the year when Mieszko I, the first historical representative of the old Polish Piast dynasty, accepted Christianity from the south. He is the first member of the gallery of Polish Kings in spite of the fact that only his son, Boleslaw Chrobry - Boleslaw the Brave - was the first ruler to be actually crowned. In Poland's lengthy and tumultuous history, its Golden Age, which flourished under the last two kings of the Jagiellonian dynasty, deserves special attention. This was a time rich in art, poetry, religious experience, scientific advances and economic prosperity. It inspired astronomer Nicholas Copernicus to assign Earth a new place in the solar system and moved Wit Stwosz to create his unsurpassed altarpiece, which can still be admired in Krakow's St. Mary's Church to this very day. In Krakow, the Royal Castle on Wawel Hill was converted into a splendid Renaissance residence, while a handsome fortress city went up in Zamosc.

    Between 1795 and 1918, Poland disappeared from Europe's maps, to re-emerge once more independent and proud at the end of World War I. The Nazi conquest of 1939, another war and four decades of Communist rule could not vanquish the indomitable and tenacious Polish spirit.

    Living and prospering alongside their Polish neighbors, a sizable Jewish community has called the country home since the 11th century. It was all but wiped out during the nightmarish years of the Holocaust during World War II. Monuments to the millions killed have been erected throughout Poland at such sites as Auschwitz, Majdanek and Treblinka.

    THE ORIGINS, ACCEPTANCE OF CHRISTIANITY -966

    The true origins of Poland have been lost in the mists of time, but a number of popular legends tell of the country's beginnings. Among them is the tale of three brothers, Lech, Czech and Rus, each of whom set in a different direction to make his own way in the world. Lech went to the west. As he came to a clearing in a forest, he noticed a nest of a white eagle. Lech decided to settle there with his people. He named the place Gniezno (nest) while his people became known as Polanie, which means "field dwellers". The eagle became a symbol of his tribe. To this day a white eagle against a red background is the official emblem of Poland.

    In the beginning of the 10th century the borders of the Holy Roman Empire reached the Odra river . Here the Empire's eastward colonization encountered a powerful obstacle, the well organized state of Polanie who, unknown to Christian Europe, had been developing an autonomous Slavic culture for about 200 years. For several generations the Polanie, under the leadership of the Piast dynasty, withstood armies of the Empire. Rather than succumb to the Empire's eastward expansion, in 966 prince Mieszko accepted Christianity from the Czech royal court and married a Czech princess, Dobrawa. This act had tremendous political consequences. Succeeding generations of Poles recognized this date as the birth of Poland. Once liberated from the darkness of paganism, Poland officially appeared on the map of Christian Europe.

    CORONATION OF BOLESLAW THE BRAVE - 1025

    In 997 Brother Adalbert, sent by Mieszko's son and successor Boleslaw the Brave to convert the pagan Prussian tribe, was murdered by the Prussians in a place near present day city of Gdansk. According to a legend, Prince Boleslaw purchased the martyr's body for its weight in gold and brought it back to Gniezno for burial. Upon Adalbert's subsequent canonization, his grave became a holy site. In the year 1000, Holy Roman Emperor Otto III made a pilgrimage to Gniezno. In his presence, a Gniezno archdiocese was established, responsible directly to Rome and not to the German archbishops across the Odra River. Otto also proclaimed Boleslaw as "a brother and aide in the Empire", implying no subordinate relationship. Unfortunately, Otto's ideal of peaceful eastern borders of the Empire came to an end with his premature death.

    Facing the encroachments of German feudal lords and the new German Emperor on Poland's western frontiers, Boleslaw attempted to unite the Poles, Czechs, and Slovaks into one large state to meet the threat to the western Slavic tribes. However, the Czech and Slovak lands came only briefly under his rule. Boleslaw also warred in the east, and managed to assist in installing a friendly ruler in Kievan Rus. It is said that the great coronation sword of the Polish kings, Szczerbiec ("notched sword"), was then given its name. To attest to his victory, Boleslaw repeatedly struck his sword against the bars of the Golden Gate of Kiev.

    Throughout his life, Boleslaw implored Rome for a royal crown. In 1025, near the end of his life, Boleslaw was crowned King of Poland, with the Pope's blessing but without the German Emperor's approval. This was an important step towards the recognition of Poland as a true kingdom within Latin Christendom.

    BATTLE OF LEGNICA - 1241

    After the death of Boleslaw the Brave, Poland faced a time of chaos, despite the occasional energetic leaders like the controversial Boleslaw II the Bold (ruled 1058-1079), and Boleslaw III the Wrymouthed (ruled 1102-1138), renowned for fighting off German invasions and injecting strong leadership into national life. In a development characteristic of feudalism, the earlier stronger monarchy disintegrated into a number of regional states, ruled by local Piast princes. During this period, the city of Cracow became increasingly important, and possession of that city was deemed necessary for assuming rule over the whole country.

    Another possible center for the reunification of Poland was the region of Silesia, under their local Piast branch. Unfortunately, Henry II the Pious (ruled 1238-1241) died with virtually all of his knights at the fateful baffle of Legnica facing the Mongol (Tartar) incursion into Europe. Virtually all of Poland was savagely devastated, and the Ruthenian principalities fell under Tartar bondage.

    This period also saw one of the most fateful events in Polish history in 1226, when a regional Prince, Conrad of Masovia, invited the German Crusading Order of Teutonic Knights to Poland. He gave them a small area in the north-east in exchange for protection from raids by pagan Prussians. By 1288, the Teutonic Knights had conquered the Prussians and had installed themselves in the area, posing a permanent threat to all of Poland.

    REUNIFIED KINGDOM - 1320

    The regional fragmentation of Poland could not have gone on much longer without severe detriment to the country as a whole. Faced by powerful enemies from many sides, king Wladyslaw Lokietek (the Elbow-High), through an incredible effort and persistence, managed to bring the core of the state together with Krakow as its new capital. The cost of this success was loss of Silesia and Pomerania, which had slipped from Polish rule.

    Lokietek's major achievement was undoubtedly obtaining the Pope's approval for his appointment as monarch of the reunited realm. Lokietek received the full royal title of Rex Poloniae, with the kingdom named Corona Regni Poloniae, a concept that would achieve a rich tradition and judicial history.

    Lokietek's second greatest achievement was the direction of Teutonic conquest. With the support of the German Empire and the Papacy, the Teutonic Order had conquered lands from Gdansk (renamed Danzig), all the way to the northern country of Estonia. When their attention turned to the south, Lokietek's forces dealt them a defeat in the Battle of Plowce in 1331, bringing the conflict to a standstill. The Teutonic Knights then menaced Lithuania, one of the last pagan countries in Europe and, in defense, Lithuanians turned to the east, bringing virtually all of present day Belarus and Ukraine into the Polish sphere of influence.

    GREAT DAYS OF KRAKOW -1364

    Lokietek's son, Casimir III, was born in 1310 and was the only Polish king distinguished as "Great." His reign laid the foundation for future Polish grandeur. Casimir was a king of all the people, called "King of the Peasants" for his attempt to secure the authority of royal courts over aristocratic abuses and to codify Polish law. It is said that "he found Poland built of wood and left her built of stone." His ambitious projects ringed the country with fortifications. He stimulated trade and welcomed Jews to Poland at a time when they were persecuted in virtually all other European countries. This is when the Jewish quarter of Krakow was founded and named Kazimierz to honor the king. On the diplomatic front, he concluded treaties with the Teutonic Order and Bohemia. Even though this meant abandoning Pomerania and Silesia, at least for a time, Casimir added large areas to the Polish Kingdom, pushing the country's borders south-east. He re-founded the Ruthenian settlement named after Prince Lew, calling it by its modern name, Lwow.

    The years 1363-1364, known as "The Great Days of Krakow," saw the founding of Poland's first university, called the Cracow Academy, and Casimir presiding over the marriage of his granddaughter to a future German Emperor. At this occasion kings and princes from all over Europe, including the Emperor himself, visited the city and discussed matters of international politics. The wedding banquet, recorded by French poet Guillaume de Marchaud, took place at the Market Square home of merchant Mikolaj Wierzynek. Today, visitors to Krakow can visit that same house and dine in one of Poland's finest and, most likely, oldest restaurants.

    To Poland's sorrow, Casimir died without producing a legitimate heir and his death effectively ended the Piast dynasty.

    CROWNING OF WLADYSLAW JAGIELLO -1386

    The war over Casimir's succession broke up even before his death in 1370. Finally, in exchange for a set of privileges, the warring parties agreed to crown his nephew, Louis the Hungarian of the d'Anjou dynasty. The privileges, known as Kosice Statutes, limited the obligations imposed on the Polish nobility.

    Although Louis' rule was brief, it had tremendous consequences for the subsequent character of the Polish state. The political power was given to the nobility at the time when in the west a reverse process was taking place. During his reign, Louis amassed one of the largest dynastic regimes of his time. Since at the time of his death, he left only two young daughters as heirs, the war of succession erupted again.

    The younger daughter, Jadwiga, was finally proclaimed Queen of Poland in 1385, at the age of 11 years. A marriage with Jogaila, the Lithuanian ruler was proposed to cement an alliance with Poland's powerful eastern neighbor. At the Union of Krewo in 1385, Jogaila agreed that in exchange for Jadwiga's hand he would convert to Christianity, coordinate operations against the Teutonic Knights and associate Lithuania (which then included most of present day Belarus and Ukraine) with the kingdom of Poland in a permanent union. Jogaila, known as Jagiello, was crowned as King of Poland in February of 1386 at an assembly of Polish barons and nobility and adopted the name of Wladyslaw II.

    For Jadwiga, the marriage came at the cost of personal happiness. She had been betrothed in infancy to a Hapsburg prince, with whom she was deeply in love, while Jagiello was much older and uncivilized. For reasons of state, however, she agreed to the marriage, and for personal satisfaction, she turned to a life of charitable works. During her reign, she gave all her jewelry and regalia to rescue the financially troubled Krakow Academy and, according to a legend, used a wooden gold-painted scepter for official functions. She died in 1399, at the age of 24. Soon after her death, Jadwiga was declared a saint. In 19th century, to honor its benefactor, tha Krakow Academy was renamed the Jagiellonian University.

    BATTLE OF GRUNWALD - 1410

    With the dynastic union of Poland and Lithuania assuming a more permanent nature, as well as the conversion of Lithuania to Christianity, the Teutonic Order was faced by a powerful new coalition. Nevertheless, the Order continued to command enormous resources and prestige. The situation continued to ferment until 1409, when an open conflict erupted.

    On July 15, 1410 a decisive battle, one of the biggest in the history of Middle Ages, permanently weakened the Teutonic Order. The two opposing armies met outside the village of Grunwald (also known as Tannenberg). On one side were the Teutonic Knights, with Western European mercenaries, supported by infantry and cannon, about 27,000 men in total commanded by Grand Master Ulrich von Jungingen. On the other was a larger Polish-Lithuanian-Ruthenian army, supported by Czech and vassal Tartar contingents, of about 39,000 men, commanded by king Wladyslaw Jagiello himself.

    The battle lasted for several hours. King Jagiello, unlike his opponent, did not lead the army to battle, but coordinated the efforts from the nearby hill. The Polish and Lithuanian forces were instead led by king's brother Witold, Grand Duke of Lithuania. By the end of the day, eight thousand Teutonic Knights were slain, including the Grand Master of the Order, and fourteen thousand prisoners were taken for ransom.

    Despite this staggering defeat, the Teutonic Order showed an incredible resilience, falling back on the impregnable fortifications of the Marienburg (Malbork) in the north. Jagiello, lacking proper siege equipment, could not carry the war to complete victory. The First Treaty of Torun in 1411 actually restored the territorial status quo.

    The situation remained unresolved until the Thirteen Years War of 1454-1466. Using professional mercenaries and new siege methods, the Poles and Lithuanians finally managed to humble the Teutonic Order. The area known as Royal Prussia (the land along the Vistula up to Gdansk) was incorporated into the kingdom of Poland. The land that eventually became East Prussia remained in the possession of the Order as a vassal state of Poland.

    The Battle of Grunwald remains one of the most glorious days in Polish history. The period of struggle in the early 1400s was immortalized by Henryk Sienkiewicz in his historical novel "The Teutonic Knights."

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    Hey All!!

    It was heaps helpful man I did my research but that went over mine. Its good together with mine it is a very comprehensive detailed histories of the regions, settlements and histories of the countries. I've come up with alot of resources so we can go back and check it.

    I've decided instead of wasting space posting the snippets I have done I'll just keep working until a finished product.

    Just thinking though, if you look at the map at the moment we got for Kieven Rus the Principality of Novgorod, Polotsk and Kiev. Thats only 3 regions. Its historically accurate but should we give them 2 more so they have 5? In which case not sure but I think some more if Novgorod gains its independence in the 12th century.

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    Thanks Vladimir

    Kieven Rus....hmmm i think 3 is enough. It's historically accurate and Russians weren't superpower in the Middle ages the real powers of middle-eastern europe was The Kingdom of Hungary and the Kingdom of Poland. Hungarians and Polish intervened a lot of times in the russian civil wars. In my opinion Novgorod, Polotsk and Kiev should be enough



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    Thats quite true

    But I'm adding another one anyways: Principality of Galicia. That was under the Kieven Rus at that time so in fact they'll have 4

    Yes and the HRE were a potent force. Not to mention the Franks and the Eastern Roman Empire and the coming Ottoman Onslaught
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    yes galicia was under russian control I agree with you



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    Indeed So that should be good. Getting there; just want sinople to tell if those small factions whats happening with them which are historically inaccurate:

    Bulgaria
    The Brabant


    Flanders is also part of HRE, whereas though Friesland is independent but the Brabant as well is under the HRE. So he has to decide those things. Also Lithuania but it'll all be sorted I sent him a pm.

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    Oh yeah I understand.

    Bulgaria appeared for only a short time for few years. What if they would be a rebel faction?



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    That is another oppurtunity. I told a similar idea to that for Novgorod which would be out of the picture unless one civilisation is taken out. Novgorod Rebels I told sinople could be done.

    But for the Croatian Province of "Hrvatska Panonia" or Croatian Pannonia, or "Littoral Croatia" I will change to Slavonia.

    It was not until the death of king Dmitar Zvonimir that Hungary took Slavonia, as showed in the picture in the proper post. If there is more information needed we'll post it

    But nevertheless its going good WE just await Sinople to come up with alot of the information which is required to proceed
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    Yes I think we should wait to the decision about the start date it's important beause of the staring regions, faction list and so on..



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    In regards also to Bohemia, it supposebly isn't completely independent; it is a vassal of the Holy Roman Empire.

    Bohemia had become a vassal of the Roman Kings respectively Emperors. In 1085 prince VRATISLAV II. and in 1158 VLADISLAV II. were granted the title KING OF BOHEMIA, by the respective Emperors. From PRZEMYSL OTTOKAR I. onward (since 1198) this would be a hereditary title.
    Within the Holy Roman Empire, Bohemia was the largest territory and the only one the ruler of which had wore a royal crown. The kings of Bohemia were among the ELECTORS who were to cast their vote when a new Roman King was to be elected. Bohemia also enjoyed a high degree of political autonomy, as it formed a church province of it's own - the ARCHDIOCESIS OF PRAGUE, which extended also over MORAVIA.

    PRAGUE established itself as the political center, the PRZEMYSLID DYNASTY as the royal family. Yet, in the early 11th century dukes frequently were deposed, showing that their rule was not absolute.
    Therefore it must be a vassal under HRE in maybe the player can abdicate?
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    Yes it's ttue it was a vassal of HRE and it should be vassal in the game too

    hmm it's a good idea the player could abdicate..but how?



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    Well all the pressure is on them by the HRE. They only have one territory and if Sinople makes it so Bohemia has to pay royalties to HRE in order to survive for X amount of turns. Then when Bohemia has enough power they should just tell HRE off by refusing to pay and I think doing that can start a war and thats how they'll abdicate Or damage relations.

    Same on the normal game if some1 asks you for money or they will attack and you say no most likely outcome is war...
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    Hey Vladimir that's a very good idea!!!



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    Cheers man I think thats the most simplest and greatest solution for Bohemia
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    Yeah that is true

    And what about the starting diplomacy relations?



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