Faction - Tsardom of Serbia

[Matthæus]

added horns to Serbian captain.
I saw Lazar Hrebljanovic had them on the helmet, so i decided to add them to gain more unique and cool look. Bosnian captain will have plume instead of horns.



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PS
thanks il_duce for the horns model.

[aleksandar macedonian II]

very nice units,and eagle is perfect.( red or white you cant mistake )

[Obilic]

Matko I love that helmet...a truly unique look...

[Matthæus]

some progress. that is it, except light effects on mail texture, captain is complete. maybe i will add a different, more detailed belt too. screens from game will follow soon. version with plate armour will be used for some other faction.

[Carpathian warrior]

I got a question , where they really wearing these kind of helmets whit horns ? and an offtopic one : I was wondering if the Teutonic Knights actually wear great helms with winged horns ? if somebody could answer good but dont expand the offtopic

[Matthæus]

yup .
Knez Lazar certanly did. there are several sources that show that he wore horned houndskull or kappvisier bascinet.

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[Carpathian warrior]

hmm pretty interesting , why did the Orthodox Church permited this ? ... nice units you are making , continue the good work ... will this add of details on the costum's will affect the mod's rolling in gameplay ? ( i meen would it go just like on EB or StainLess Steal )

[Grof]

wow great stuff matko.
I like.

[NikeBG]

hmm pretty interesting , why did the Orthodox Church permited this ?

Well, remember that the Orthodox church was more or less under the power of the ruler, not the other way around. So if the patriarch was making too many problems - "Bye bye, patri!"*

*Which doesn't necessarily mean "death", it could be simple exile or "demotion".

[Matthæus]

hmm pretty interesting , why did the Orthodox Church permited this ? ... nice units you are making , continue the good work ... will this add of details on the costum's will affect the mod's rolling in gameplay ? ( i meen would it go just like on EB or StainLess Steal )

Serbian orthodox church canonized Lazar and made him a saint after his death.
Why would church be against horns anyway ?

BTW
i saw numerous horned helmets all around the Europe. if coat of arms of some knight had bull or some other horned animals on it, it was often that he decorated his helmet with horns.

now about second part of the sentence, I don't understand you fully. If you are concerned about mod performance I assure it will go smoothly on most computers.

[Carpathian warrior]

Serbian orthodox church canonized Lazar and made him a saint after his death.
Why would church be against horns anyway ?

well in some way i see it , horns symbolize Satan , or maybe in those times people didan't consider that Satan has horns ...

now about second part of the sentence, I don't understand you fully. If you are concerned about mod performance I assure it will go smoothly on most computers.

if you ever played EB , when you end a turn you must wait about 10-15 minutes for your turn again so i asked you if this will happen in Tsardoms

[Sarmatian]

That's not because graphics, that's because heavy scripting in the background...

[The Noble Lord]

Matko, great work as usual. And don't worry about the horns on the helmet. I've seen numerous pics of the Serbian medieval knights with horns on helmets.
When it comes to the Altomanovica family Coat of Arms, still waiting on that and it will be posted as soon as I get it. I don't know why there is so much waiting for it, but it will come as promised.
Everything else is good, there are some new Coats of Arms for other families that it will be released soon.

[Matthæus]

Altomanovic coat of arms remains a mystery . I am intrigued.

[4th Regiment]

Just one idea. If population happiness is above 100% it would be nice to be possible to recruit Dinaric highland clans. Those highland clans of mostly Montenegro, Herzegovina and Albania very often participated in wars in Balkans if they liked the current ruler / authorities. If opposite they often rebelled…so lot of tough light infantry brigands in area if unhappiness rise…

[The Noble Lord]

Altomanovic coat of arms remains a mystery . I am intrigued.

Yes it is, for some reason :hmmm:. You would not believe how many sources and institutions I contacted and that particular family is so hard to come by. Its either they are deliberately ignored by the historians or there is no interest in them which I find strange. But doesn't matter, it will come soon and it will be posted immediately. We waited too long for it anyway to give up now .
Hows everything else with mod, any other assistance required with the mod??

[Sarmatian]

Well, he was the arch rival of prince Lazar, who was later canonized as a saint and was generally very respected. It's no wonder that back then nobody took the trouble to preserve too much about Altomanovic family. In folk lore, Altomanovic is rarely mentioned, and when he is, he's portrayed as an evil man who opposed prince Lazar.

I'll check to see if I can find something...

[Matthæus]

I actually believe that his coat of arms is forgotten or not preserved.

[4th Regiment]

Since my home town is Uzice, Nikola Altomanovic’s capital I think he’s coat of arms are included in official modern city’s symbols. I am not expert but I think it must be flag on the right side of the city coat of arms – blue one with 3 falcons and yellow ribbon

http://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/Слика:Uzice.jpg

In that page there is link towards Serbian heraldic society http://www.beliorao.com/en who made city’s coat of arms - “Coat of Arms have been rendered by the Serbian Heraldic Society the White Eagle. The copyrights lies with us, the images can be used fairly for informational purposes provided the White Eagle receives the credits/links back.” They require registration, so it must be they have explanation.I am at your service for any more help.

[4th Regiment]

Also, they probably had some useful info about other medieval heraldry in the region of southeastern Europe