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    Default Re: FACTION DEVELOPMENT: Tsardom of Bulgaria

    i ment that turnovo should be as a castle. due to the fact it was fortified. Becuase in the game its a big difference between city and castle.
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    Default Re: FACTION DEVELOPMENT: Tsardom of Bulgaria

    That's why I said Tarnovo can fit well for both town and fortress (because it was heavily defended (fortifications and natural barriers), but also a large town). However, considering most settlements in the Balkans (or at least Bulgaria) had some kind of fortifications (even quite a lot of villages) and also considering Constantinople is still the prime example of heavy fortifications, I don't think their simple presence should denote a castle. In my opinion, the difference between castle and town would be the size of the population, the ratio between population and fortifications and simple game balance.

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    true true
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    Default Re: FACTION DEVELOPMENT: Tsardom of Bulgaria

    I just want to ask for Mesembria ,which is in the bulgarian preview, but I think I didn't see it here.So for Mesemria:in or out?

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    Is this some city on the coast of the black sea?? Is it important to the Bulgaria??
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    Default Re: FACTION DEVELOPMENT: Tsardom of Bulgaria

    It's a coastal town, yes. Not the most important one, but generally important enough (in history, don't know for the mod).

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    ok but will be Mesembria in the mode or not(it's in the description together with Plovdiv ) ?

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    Default Re: FACTION DEVELOPMENT: Tsardom of Bulgaria

    Quote Originally Posted by NikeBG View Post
    It's a coastal town, yes. Not the most important one, but generally important enough (in history, don't know for the mod).
    Mesembria (Nesebar) is just as important as Apolonia (Sozopol). Add Varna and you get the 3 major coastal trade hubs of the Bulgarian Empire.

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    Yes, but I don't think there's enough room for three coastal cities on the map.

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    Hmm, just remembered you can actually use this too. It's a mostly finished WIP part of one of my current projects, more specifically a list of titles, ranks, offices, classes etc. of the SBE. As I said, it's not fully finished yet, but it's close enough to completion.

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    In 1185-1186 the Bulgarian state was restored after around 167 years of a lack of its independent existence. However, most of the old institutions, ranks and titles from the times of the First Bulgarian Empire were not restored. Only a few of them survived – tsar, zhupan, bolyars.
    Almost all institutions were rebuilt by the Roman model and a number of titles, ranks and offices were respectively borrowed from the Romans.

    The Roman terminology is dominant even among the provincial official structures. In the course of time, however, as a result of the independent existence of the Bulgarian state, new Bulgarian terms started appearing as well, while many of the Greek ones were translated to Bulgarian. Sometimes a certain Serbian influence can also be noticed.

    I. State hierarchy

    1. The tsar (tsyasar) is an imperial title, derived from the Latin "caesar" (like the German "kaiser"). The tsar was the head of state, holder of the supreme power, granted to him by God and usually transmitted by birth-right. He has the supreme military, legislative, judicial, executive and diplomatic authority, which also exerts itself over the church matters. The tsar autocratically rules over the whole territory of the tsardom. He appoints from the ranks of the bolyars all organs of the centralized government of Tarnovo, including most of the ones listed below. Some of those appointed people probably take part in the Bolyar's Council (Bolyarski Savet). The tsars also styled themselves as "samodrazhets", the Bulgarian word for "autocrat". The full title was "v Hrista Boga veren tsar i samodrazhets vsem Blugarom i Grakom" ("in Christ the Lord a pious tsar and autocrat of all Bulgarians and Greeks"). The wife of the tsar was called tsaritsa.
    - The tsar's sons could be made co-rulers of their father as a form of ensuring their rights and be called "mlad tsar", meaning "young tsar". The ones born in the purple (during the reign of their father) would be called "bagrenoroden", the Bulgarian version of the Greek "porphyrogennetos".
    2. Sevastokrator was the highest notable honorary title. It was given to close relatives of the tsar – brothers, cousins. The sevastokrators usually received the rights to rule certain regions of the state, where they possessed large landed estates. They thus combined the administrative-governmental functions with the functions of feudal lords. After the XII c. it was displaced to the second place by the title of despot.
    3. Despot as a title appeared in the XII c. and displaced the sevastokrator from the prime position. The despots also ruled over certain regions as semi-independent rulers and sometimes even split from the central authorities and declared themselves fully independent. The wife of a despot was called despotitsa or despina.
    4. Bolyar's Council (Bolyarski savet, Sinklit). It most probably included the so-called great bolyars and the patriarch. The sinklit would gather in relation with discussions over important matters of the internal and foreign policy of the state. Unlike the Christian period of the First Bulgarian Empire, the bolyar's council had a considerably bigger authority, to the point that sometimes even the supreme power of the tsar was only nominal.

    II. State administration

    5. The velik logotet (grand logothete) was the prime minister and councillor of the tsar. He was a leading figure of the diplomacy, tsar's chancellery and state administration.
    - Besides the velik logotet, there was also a number of other logotets - high councillors of the tsar on different subjects. In Byzantium there were separate logothetes responsible for treasury and tax lists, for the postal services and diplomatic affairs, for the emperor's estates, for the pay and supplies of the army, for the prisons etc.
    6. The protovestiariy played the role of a financial minister or chief treasurer.
    7. The taynik (secret-holder) is probably a translation of the Greek mystikos, who was the emperor's personal secretary.
    8. The gramatiks are members of the chancellery.

    III. Courtiers

    9. The kuropalat was a high honorary office with the responsibility of the palace maintenance and security. An alternative name is "pazitel na palata" (guardian of the palace).
    10. The velik primikyur was a high official, responsible for the palace protocol and acting as chief of ceremonies.
    11. The velik chashnik (epikerniy, pinkernis, velik vinocherpets, velik paharnik, kerasmat) was the tsar's cup-bearer and responsible for the organization of the feasts in the palace. The office of the royal cup-bearer was initially held by eunuchs, but since the XIII c. it became an honorary palace office. The velik stolnik was close to the duties of the velik chashnik. He was responsible for the ruler's kitchen, during the official feasts he had to see to the serving of the dishes and had to taste all meals before they're served.
    - Besides the velik chashnik and velik stolnik, there were also common chashniks and stolniks, serving respectively the drinks and meals to the guests in the feasts, under the supervision of their respective vatahs (chiefs). The vatahs were the supervisors of various palace offices – there was a vatah of the chashniks, of the stolniks, of the royal armoury, of the marketplace etc.
    12. The velik zhitar (great wheat-collector) was responsible for the supplying of food for the court.
    13. The velik klyuchar (great keyholder) was responsible for the tsar's warehouses.
    14. The apokrisiars were the tsar's messengers.
    15. The protokeliot (protokiliinik) played the role of the tsar's aide and was responsible for his security.
    16. The postelnik (bed-keeper) was responsible for the personal security of the tsar at night.
    17. The protospatariy was the chief arms-bearer of the ruler, who held his sword during official ceremonies.
    18. The pedagog was responsible for the upbringing and education of the tsar's children.
    19. The kraguyar/gerakar (falconer) and pesyak/psar/kuchkar (dog-breeder) took care of the hunting birds and animals of the tsar.
    20. The velik komis/komes s kone/komestabul (constable, count of the stables) was responsible for the tsar's stables, but probably had a military duty as well.

    IV. Military ranks and positions

    21. The velik voevoda was the commander-in-chief of the army. Its Greek analogue, also used in Bulgaria, was probably the protostrator (at first it denoted a commander only of the cavalry, but later it became a commander of the whole army).
    22. The velik duk held a high military rank. Its Byzantine equivalent, megas doux, was a commander-in-chief of the navy. After the fall of Constantinople in 1204 the title became only honorary until Byzantium's restoration in 1261. Ramon Muntaner, however, defines it as "commander of all soldiers".
    23. The alagators were commanders of an alagion, a squadron of varying size (usually around 200 horsemen (50-100 in the X century and 333 in the middle of the XIII c.). In the XIV c. there were also an archon of the alagion and a protoalagator in Byzantium.
    24. The strators were mounted soldiers, responsible for the horses of a noble.
    25. The serdars held a low military rank.
    26. The stotnik was a commander of a unit of hundred men.
    27. The desetnik was a commander of the smallest unit – of ten men.
    28. The sagledvach was a scout or a spy.

    V. Provincial administration

    29. Duks/sevast. The Bulgarian tsardom was divided on large administrative units called horas. Every hora was governed by a duks or a sevast, who was appointed directly by the tsar and lived in the main town of the hora.
    - There was also a protosevast. Initially he supervised the regional governors, dukses and sevasts, but later the title acquired only an honorary meaning.
    30. Katepan/zhupan. The horas were divided on smaller administrative units – katepanikions (zhupas). At the head of each katepanikion was a katepan (more rarely called zhupan).
    31. Ban/voevoda. The bans, also called voevods, were governors of an administrative territorial unit, which was a subdivision of a katepanat (zhupa). The title is seen more often in sources related to the end of the Second Bulgarian Empire. During the times of the Ottoman rule, the importance of the title fell to denote a mayor.
    32. Kefaliya. He played the role of a town mayor and was responsible for the public utilities, the maintenance of the town walls, the supplies etc.
    33. The kastrofilak played the role of a military governor (commander), in charge of the town or fortress' garrison.
    34. The knez stood at the head of a village commune. The knezes played the roles of mayors and were most probably chosen by the local peasants. The village communes had a certain level of autonomy. However, they were still under the control of the central authority or some worldly or church feudal lord.

    VI. Judicial and police offices

    35. There were sadias (judges) in every region. They heard judicial cases of varying nature. There was also a special judge of the royal court, who led the cases concerning people staying in the palace, and a judge of the army.
    36. The varniches administered justice and served as bailiffs. There were also royal varniches, who stood around the tsar, led in the people who are summoned and noted for sanctioning the ones who didn't come when called by him.
    37. The primikyurs were initially heads of different offices, guilds or commanders of military units. In 1586/1587 an Ottoman decree gives their functions as assistants of the tax-collectors, also responsible for finding and returning escaped bonded peasants.
    38. The blyustitel was a civilian, serving guard duty in the towns.
    39. The temnichar was a prison guard, serving the temnitsu blyusti statute labour.

    VII. "Tsar's workers" (tax collectors and statute labour supervisors)

    40. The praktor was a high-ranked clerk, head of a town's tax-collection office, subordinated directly to the sevast or the katepan.
    41. Pobirchia, sabirach or birnik were common names for a tax collector.
    42. The pisets/pisach (pl. pisachi) was a scribe, keeping the tax registers, measuring the land and the other sources of income.
    43. The desetkars (tenth-gatherers) were the collectors of the natural taxes. They include: the vinars (collectors of wine), zhitars (collectors of the wheat tax), senars (collectors of the hay tax), svinii (swine-collectors), ovchii (sheep-collectors), pchelnii (bee-(honey-)collectors) etc.
    44. The perperaks collected the perpera monetary taxes.
    45. The apodohator was responsible for the warehouses used for the natural taxes.
    46. For exceptional gatherings of food, beside the usual natural taxes (during the passing of the army etc), was responsible a povar.
    47. The mitat was responsible for the accommodation of the passing army.
    48. The gradar was responsible for the gradozidanie – the statute labours (angaria) concerning the constructions and maintenance of bridges, roads, fortresses etc.

    VIII. Others

    49. In different charters are mentioned also a number of other offices – gotvachi (cooks in the royal and noble courts), gradinars (gardeners), nahodniks (messengers), izgonchii (couriers), gradski izgonchii (town couriers) etc.
    50. A common word for a lord or master was gospodin (with the diminutive form gospodinchik, meaning "master's son") or vlastelin. A common name for the nobles was bolyari (bolyarin in single form), though they were divided to veliki bolyari (great bolyars) and mali bolyari (small bolyars). Another name usually used for a wealthier noble was velmozha.
    51. The common population consisted of:
    - Lyude - literally meaning "people"; free communal peasants, the decreasing majority of the population. They held a personal land called bashtina (patrimony) or stas, while the communal land was called pravina. In case they sell their lands and leave their commune to some other place, they're called vanshni lyude (outside people).
    - Paritsi (sl. parik). An increasing number of bonded peasants, possessing their own land, which they could pass on as a patrimony, divide, sell or gift, but only to people of kin or people from the same feudal estate. This also included the popovyani (bonded peasants owned by a metropolitan or bishop) and manastirski lyude or kliritsi (bonded peasants owned by a monastery; freed from almost all taxes and angarias).
    - Otrotsi (sl. otrok). Landless peasants, who lost their bashtina and fully belonged to a feudal lord, could be passed on as his patrimony and were given a land to cultivate for him. They could gain their freedom only through the good will of their lord.
    - Tehnitari - A special category of various types of craftsmen. They could be free (lyude), open their own prodavnitsi (shops) in towns and organize themselves in guilds or they could be bonded (paritsi) and do various tasks for their lords. Another category were the kuptsi (sl. kupets) - a merchant class, predominant in the towns.
    52. Another specific group of people are the proniars, like the Byzantine pronoiaroi, who were army veterans or other civil persons, given full control of a land (inhabited by bonded peasants) by the ruler, from which they would acquire the necessary money for their own military service (equipment, payment etc.) and that of a specific number of other soldiers they have to bring with them when called to arms (dependent on the size of income of the specific pronia). The ownership of the land was not inheritable in the first few centuries of the existence of the pronoia system, but gradually in the last century before the Byzantine fall to the Ottomans it became an inheritable feudal fief.

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    Great job man... well done...
    I wonder how similar the Bulgarian system would be to the Serbian system?
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    Some things would be very similar, but I don't know how strong was the Byzantine influence there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikeBG View Post
    Some things would be very similar, but I don't know how strong was the Byzantine influence there.
    well, similar cause of byzantine influence, but yet different, cause of slavic heritage
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    Cool... I can't wait...
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    Quote Originally Posted by alien_t View Post
    Bulgarian Guardsmen (Bulgarian Halberdiers) - Български Алебардисти ???
    Light cavalry - Лека Кавалерия
    Handgunner - ????
    Bulgarian Guardsmen (Bulgarian Halberdiers) - Български Арбалетчици
    Light cavalry - Лека Конница
    Handgunner - Пушкаджии

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGDT View Post
    Bulgarian Guardsmen (Bulgarian Halberdiers) - Български Арбалетчици
    Handgunner - Пушкаджии
    TheGTD please make difference betweem crosbow(арбалет) and halbedier(алебард(нещо средно между копие и брадва)).
    For handgunners I suggest not literal translation-стелци с пушки.

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    Indeed, halberdiers (алебардиери) and arbalestiers/crossbowmen (арбалетчици) are two very different things.
    Also note that the handgun isn't exactly a пушка (then again, the modern meaning of pushka (rifle) is probably just a newer layer on top of an older meaning, considering pushka comes from pushek - smoke).

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    A bit off-topic but even the arbalest and the crossbow aren't exactly the same thing. The arbalest was a later and heavier version of the crossbow which had a steel bow. English does justice to this difference, while other languages have just one word for both versions of the weapon.

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    For Il Duce - found this scanned map of Bulgarian medieval fortresses. Huge images, lots of places, but it should hopefully work for the mod. Just find the ones that will be on the campaign map and ignore the rest. The map is a general map for the entire medieval period, which means that it includes fortresses that were not under Bulgarian control at the time of the mod, but that info can be useful when mapping the neighboring factions.

    Sorry - no topographic details, except rivers. But I think there are roads as well.

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    what have you done to me?????!!!!

    now i must check all of them....see which of those we have already placed....and see what else we could import.....which of them existed in our era.... and which of them are important in that time.....i'm so boooooored....do you know what have you done???.... you must be ashamed..()

    just kidding..... thanks very much for the maps.....(+rep) i'll check them and see what else we could add....
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