Ethnic Traits project.

[Suppanut]

I guess we need a bit of streamlining on that side...
I propose that characters can have only one main culture and one subculture...

In most of factions, character could have only 1 main and 1 subculture(which only for some ethnic which cover over a variety groups of people) but variety in choice such as.

Rome: 1 main and 2 sub(one for class and another for political party) they are victor of the era, so they get more than others.
Carthage: 1 main choose from 6 and no sub(they have variety enough form main)
*Macedon: 1 main and no sub
*Seleucid: 1 main choose from 2 and no sub
*egypt: 1 main choose from 3 and no sub
Baktria: 1 main choose from 4 and have sub for only scythian
*Armenia: 1 main choose from 2 and no sub
Pontus: 1 main choose from 4 and only have sub for Anatolian and Celt(galatian only)
Spain: 1 main choose from 2 and 1 sub
Scythia: 1 main choose from 2 and 1 sub
Thrace: 1 main choose from 2 and 1 sub for Thracian only
Saba: 1 main choose from 3 and 1 sub for Arab only
Parthia: 1 main choose from 2 and 1 sub for Pahlavan only
GCS/Indy greek: 1 main(hellenic) and 1 sub(city state)
Gauls/Indy Gauls: 1 main(celt) and 1 sub(tribes)
Germans: 1 main(german) and 1 sub(tribes)

Maybe some need to tweak for game balance, especially for bonus as main diadochi factions don't have sub due to hellenistic greek turn into homogenous people differ from their homeland. Maybe Royal linage traits should be add(such as Ptolemaic, Seleucid, Antigonid traits, etc.)

What do you think?

[Suppanut]

Here is version Prefinal11 for catch up with XGM 5.7.16.

[Suppanut]

Here is version PreFinal12 to catch up with XGM 5.7.17 as well as fix text problem in PreFinal11 which fault cause by I so sleepy yesterday.

[LucretiusTC]

Maybe some need to tweak for game balance, especially for bonus as main diadochi factions don't have sub due to hellenistic greek turn into homogenous people differ from their homeland. Maybe Royal linage traits should be add(such as Ptolemaic, Seleucid, Antigonid traits, etc.)

What do you think?

If you are planning to create those dynastic lines for the Seleucids and the Ptolemies, then those Generals and Governors probably should have certain royal names and numbers to indicated to position? E.g. Antiokhos I Soter, Ptolemaios II Philadelphos, etc.

I mean the most of the Seleucid kings and princes were either Seleukos (in Latin Seleucus) or Antiokhos (in Latin Antiochus), and there were a couple of Demetrios (Demetrius) in the later history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid_Empire

As we know in the case of the Ptolemies the situation is even more simple, all the kings were called as Ptolemaios (Ptolemy; 15) and many of their queens were known as Kleopatra (Cleopatra; 7)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemaic_dynasty

In the case of the Macedonian royal dynasty, the Antigonids, those most common names of the kings should be Antigonos, Demetrios or Philippos. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kings_of_Macedon


About those nicknames Nikator (Victor), Soter (Saviour), Epiphanes (Illustrious), Euergetes (Benefactor) or Megas (Great) seem to be rather common epithets for the Hellenistic rulers.

I don´t know if it is necessary to create those royal lines, but you can use some of these ideas if you have plans for dynastic traits.

Luc.

[Suppanut]

In next version of Ethnic Traits will have Royal dynasty traits as well as epithet traits for Hellenistic Kingdoms.

Here are traits of Royal dynasty for 3 main hellenistic kingdoms.(Direct descendent only)

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{Seleucid} Seleucid

{Seleucid_desc}
This men is a direct descendent from Seleucus I Nicator, one of generals of Alexander the Great. His linage give him privilage and influence over the ordinaries.

{Seleucid_effects_desc}
+1 Influence

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{Antigonid} Antigonid

{Antigonid_desc}
This men is a direct descendent from Antigonus I Monophthalmus, one of generals of Alexander the Great. His linage give him privilage and influence over the ordinaries.

{Antigonid_effects_desc}
+1 Influence

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{Ptolemaic} Ptolemaic

{Ptolemaic_desc}
This men is a direct descendent from Ptolemy I Soter, one of generals of Alexander the Great. His linage give him privilage and influence over the ordinaries.

{Ptolemaic_effects_desc}
+1 Influence



Here is Greek epithet for those who are direct descendent of Royal dynasty of Hellenistic Kingdoms.

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{Nikator} Nikator

{Nikator_desc}
This man has won some great battles and could made people called him as "The Victor".

{Nikator_epithet_desc} Nikator

{Nikator_effects_desc}
+1 Command

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{Soter} Soter

{Soter_desc}
This man has done some heroic act of saving people from butcher jaw of enemy and made people called him "The Savior".

{Soter_epithet_desc} Soter

{Soter_effects_desc}
+2 to personal security (improves the chances of detecting and foiling assassination attempts)

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{Epiphanes} Epiphanes

{Epiphanes_desc}
This man has quality in illustrious of god-manifestation and this made people called him "The God-Manifest".

{Epiphanes_epithet_desc} Epiphanes

{Epiphanes_effects_desc}
+1 Influence

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{Euergetes} Euergetes

{Euergetes_desc}
This man is faithful and pious and this made people called him "The Benefactor".

{Euergetes_epithet_desc} Euergetes

{Euergetes_effects_desc}
-2 from unrest (improves public order)

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{Poliocetes} Poliocetes

{Poliocetes_desc}
This man is famous as taker of the cities and this made people called him "The Besieger".

{Poliocetes_epithet_desc} Poliocetes

{Poliocetes_effects_desc}
+1 Command when assaulting walls

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{Philadelphus} Philadelphus

{Philadelphus_desc}
This man is famous for take care their brothers as well as Patron of Art and Science and this made people called him "The Brother-Lover".

{Philadelphus_epithet_desc} Philadelphus

{Philadelphus_effects_desc}
+1 Management

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{Keraunos} Keraunos

{Keraunos_desc}
His voice shouted for charge tremble the enemies like "The Thunderbolt" Zeus thrown from Mount Olympus.

{Keraunos_epithet_desc} Keraunos

{Keraunos_effects_desc}
+1 Command when attacking

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{Philoromaeus} Philoromaeus

{Philoromaeus_desc}
This man like everything romans both their virtue and vice so people call him "The Rome-lover".

{Philoromaeus_epithet_desc} Philoromaeus

{Philoromaeus_effects_desc}
-1 Command when fighting against Romans, +10% to Movement Points (gives armies the ability to forced march)

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{Barypos} Barypos

{Barypos_desc}
This man is well-known for very few occasion of travel even on their feet with in their home so people called him "The Heavy-Foot".

{Barypos_epithet_desc} Barypos

{Barypos_effects_desc}
-10% to Movement Points (reduces the distance armies can march)

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{Philopator} Philopator

{Philopator_desc}
This man is well-known for respected his own father so people called him "The Father-Lover".

{Philopator_epithet_desc} Philopator

{Philopator_effects_desc}
+2 to law (improves public order)

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{Philometor} Philometor

{Philometor_desc}
This man is well-known for listen to his mother too much so people called him "The Mother-Lover".

{Philometor_epithet_desc} Philometor

{Philometor_effects_desc}
-1 Command

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{Zabinas} Zabinas

{Zabinas_desc}
This man is a black sheep of their dynasty so people suspected him to be not true descendent from the generals of Alexander so peoples called hin "The Bought One".

{Zabinas_epithet_desc} Zabinas

{Zabinas_effects_desc}
-1 Influence

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{Theos} Theos

{Theos_desc}
This man is widely believe by people that gods seem to love him more than any others.

{Theos_epithet_desc} Theos

{Theos_effects_desc}
+1 Influence

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{Dionysos} Dionysos

{Dionysos_desc}
This man is living, working, and have wit like god of wine, Dionysus.

{Dionysos_epithet_desc} Dionysos

{Dionysos_effects_desc}
+1 Command, -1 Management, +1 Influence

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{Physcon} Physcon

{Physcon_desc}
This man is well-known for his obesity so people called him "The Potbelly".

{Physcon_epithet_desc} Physcon

{Physcon_effects_desc}
10% penalty on all trade income


Caesar: Please edit them please.

[CaesarVincens]

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{Seleucid} Seleucid

{Seleucid_desc}
This men is a direct descendant from Seleucus I Nicator, one of generals of Alexander the Great. His linage gives him privileges and influence over ordinary men.

{Seleucid_effects_desc}
+1 Influence

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{Antigonid} Antigonid

{Antigonid_desc}
This men is a direct descendant from Antigonus I Monophthalmus, one of generals of Alexander the Great. His linage gives him privileges and influence over ordinary men.

{Antigonid_effects_desc}
+1 Influence

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{Ptolemaic} Ptolemaic

{Ptolemaic_desc}
This men is a direct descendant from Ptolemy I Soter, one of generals of Alexander the Great. His linage gives him privileges and influence over ordinary men.

{Ptolemaic_effects_desc}
+1 Influence



Here is Greek epithet for those who are direct descendent of Royal dynasty of Hellenistic Kingdoms.

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{Nikator} Nikator

{Nikator_desc}
This man has won many great battles, and so people call him "The Victor".

{Nikator_epithet_desc} Nikator

{Nikator_effects_desc}
+1 Command

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{Soter} Soter

{Soter_desc}
This man has done some heroic acts of saving people from the butcher's jaw of the enemy, and so people call him "The Savior".

{Soter_epithet_desc} Soter

{Soter_effects_desc}
+2 to personal security (improves the chances of detecting and foiling assassination attempts)

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{Epiphanes} Epiphanes

{Epiphanes_desc}
This man seems like a god manifest, and so people call him "God Manifest".

{Epiphanes_epithet_desc} Epiphanes

{Epiphanes_effects_desc}
+1 Influence

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{Euergetes} Euergetes

{Euergetes_desc}
This man is faithful and pious, and so people call him "The Benefactor".

{Euergetes_epithet_desc} Euergetes

{Euergetes_effects_desc}
-2 from unrest (improves public order)

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{Poliocetes} Poliocetes

{Poliocetes_desc}
This man is famous as taker of the cities, and so people call him "The Besieger".

{Poliocetes_epithet_desc} Poliocetes

{Poliocetes_effects_desc}
+1 Command when assaulting walls

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{Philadelphus} Philadelphus

{Philadelphus_desc}
This man is famous for taking care of his fellow man as well as being a patron of Art and Science and so people call him "The Philanthropist".

{Philadelphus_epithet_desc} Philadelphus

{Philadelphus_effects_desc}
+1 Management

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{Keraunos} Keraunos

{Keraunos_desc}
This man's voice shouting the charge is like a thunderbolt thrown from Mount Olympus by Zeus, causing his enemies to tremble. So people call him "Thuderbolt".

{Keraunos_epithet_desc} Keraunos

{Keraunos_effects_desc}
+1 Command when attacking

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{Philoromaeus} Philoromaeus

{Philoromaeus_desc}
This man likes everything Roman both their virtues and their vices, so people call him "The Rome-lover".

{Philoromaeus_epithet_desc} Philoromaeus

{Philoromaeus_effects_desc}
-1 Command when fighting against Romans, +10% to Movement Points (gives armies the ability to forced march)

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{Barypos} Barypos

{Barypos_desc}
This man is well known for rarely traveling, even on his feet within his own home, so people call him "The Heavy-Foot".

{Barypos_epithet_desc} Barypos

{Barypos_effects_desc}
-10% to Movement Points (reduces the distance armies can march)

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{Philopator} Philopator

{Philopator_desc}
This man is well known for respecting his own father, so people call him "The Father-Lover".

{Philopator_epithet_desc} Philopator

{Philopator_effects_desc}
+2 to law (improves public order)

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{Philometor} Philometor

{Philometor_desc}
This man is well known for listening to his mother too much, so people call him "The Mother-Lover".

{Philometor_epithet_desc} Philometor

{Philometor_effects_desc}
-1 Command

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{Zabinas} Zabinas

{Zabinas_desc}
This man is the black sheep of the dynasty and people suspect him not to be a true descendant from the generals of Alexander, so people call him "The Bought One".

{Zabinas_epithet_desc} Zabinas

{Zabinas_effects_desc}
-1 Influence

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{Theos} Theos

{Theos_desc}
It is widely believed by the people that gods love this man more than any others.

{Theos_epithet_desc} Theos

{Theos_effects_desc}
+1 Influence

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{Dionysos} Dionysos

{Dionysos_desc}
This man is lives, works, and has a wit like the god of wine, Dionysus.

{Dionysos_epithet_desc} Dionysos

{Dionysos_effects_desc}
+1 Command, -1 Management, +1 Influence

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{Physcon} Physcon

{Physcon_desc}
This man is well known for his obesity, so people call him "The Potbelly".

{Physcon_epithet_desc} Physcon

{Physcon_effects_desc}
10% penalty on all trade income


Caesar: Please edit them please.

I changed Philadelphus to Philanthropist in English, because "Brother-Lover" doesn't work well in English.

[Suppanut]

Thank you, Caesar.

[Suppanut]

Here is version PreFinal13 for XGM version 5.7.18 with addition on Hellenistic Epithet traits.

[Suppanut]

DimeBagHo: Here is update module for XGM 5.8.X for DimeBagHo only.

[Suppanut]

Here is version prefinal14 for catch up XGM 5.7.19.

[Suppanut]

This would be the last change for this module. I will add part about foreign wife of the punic which have trade-off bonus and cause their children become half blood(liby-Phoenician, Puno-Iberian, Puno-Celtiberian, Puno-Hellenic) depend on ethnic of their wife.

Caesar: Please edit them.

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{Libyan_Wife} Libyan Wife

{Libyan_Wife_desc}
This man principle wife is libyan. Although this connection expand his farming business, this caused some bad gossip among carthaginian high society.

{Libyan_Wife_effects_desc}
-1 Influence, +1 farming output

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{Divorced_with_Libyan} Divorced with Libyan Wife

{Divorced_with_Libyan_desc}
This man already devorced with his libyan wife. This cause both the libyans and the liby-phoenicians resent him widely.

{Divorced_with_Libyan_effects_desc}
-1 Influence, +1 to unrest (decreases public order)

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{Iberian_Wife} Iberian Wife

{Iberian_Wife_desc}
This man principle wife is iberian. Although this connection expand his metalwork business, this caused some bad gossip among carthaginian high society.

{Iberian_Wife_effects_desc}
-1 Influence, 20% discount on unit training costs

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{Divorced_with_Iberian} Divorced with Iberian Wife

{Divorced_with_Iberian_desc}
This man already devorced with his iberian wife. This cause the iberian kins of his ex-wife withdraw their aid and this effect his business greatly.

{Divorced_with_Iberian_effects_desc}
-1 Influence, 10% increase to unit training costs

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{Celtiberian_Wife} Celtiberian Wife

{Celtiberian_Wife_desc}
This man principle wife is celtiberian. Although this connection expand the celtiberians support for his war business, this caused some bad gossip among carthaginian high society.

{Celtiberian_Wife_effects_desc}
-1 Influence, 10% bonus to cash gained from looting

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{Divorced_with_Celtiberian} Divorced with Celtiberian Wife

{Divorced_with_Celtiberian_desc}
This man already devorced with his celtiberian wife. This cause many bad gossip and resentment among auxiliaries of punic army.

{Divorced_with_Celtiberian_effects_desc}
-1 Influence, -1 Command

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{Hellenic_Wife} Hellenic Wife

{Hellenic_Wife_desc}
This man principle wife is greek. Although this connection expand his trade parter to hellenistic world, this caused some bad gossip among carthaginian high society.

{Hellenic_Wife_effects_desc}
-1 Influence, 10% bonus on all trade income

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{Divorced_with_Hellenic} Divorced with Hellenic Wife

{Divorced_with_Hellenic_desc}
This man already devorced with his greek wife. This cause many of hellenic trade parters resent him and sever their business tie which hurt his business badly.

{Divorced_with_Hellenic_effects_desc}
-1 Influence, 5% penalty on all trade income

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{Oligoarch} Oligoarch

{Oligoarch_desc}
This man is one of the Oligoarchs, people who have the pro-aristocratic ideal. Their world views are dedicated to the interests of the aristrocratic elites. They were opposed by the populist Democrats.

{Oligoarch_effects_desc}
+1 Command, +1 Management

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{Democrat} Democrat

{Democrat_desc}
This man is one of the Democrats, people who have the pro-democratic ideal. Their world views are dedicated to interests of the demos by body of assembly. They were opposed by the elitist Oligoarchs.

{Democrat_effects_desc}
+1 Management, +1 Influence

[CaesarVincens]

This would be the last change for this module. I will add part about foreign wife of the punic which have trade-off bonus and cause their children become half blood(liby-Phoenician, Puno-Iberian, Puno-Celtiberian, Puno-Hellenic) depend on ethnic of their wife.

Caesar: Please edit them.

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{Libyan_Wife} Libyan Wife

{Libyan_Wife_desc}
This man's principle wife is Libyan. Although this marriage expands his farming business, it causes some bad gossip among Carthaginian high society.

{Libyan_Wife_effects_desc}
-1 Influence, +1 farming output

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{Divorced_with_Libyan} Divorced Libyan Wife

{Divorced_with_Libyan_desc}
This man has divorced his Libyan wife. This causes both Libyans and Liby-Phoenicians to resent him widely.

{Divorced_with_Libyan_effects_desc}
-1 Influence, +1 to unrest (decreases public order)

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{Iberian_Wife} Iberian Wife

{Iberian_Wife_desc}
This man's principle wife is Iberian. Although this marriage expands his metalwork business, it causes some bad gossip among Carthaginian high society.

{Iberian_Wife_effects_desc}
-1 Influence, 20% discount on unit training costs

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{Divorced_with_Iberian} Divorced Iberian Wife

{Divorced_with_Iberian_desc}
This man has divorced his Iberian wife. This causes the Iberian kinsmen of his ex-wife to withdraw their aid and this affects his business greatly.

{Divorced_with_Iberian_effects_desc}
-1 Influence, 10% increase to unit training costs

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{Celtiberian_Wife} Celtiberian Wife

{Celtiberian_Wife_desc}
This man's principle wife is Celtiberian. Although this marriage expands Celtiberian support for his war business, it causes some bad gossip among Carthaginian high society.

{Celtiberian_Wife_effects_desc}
-1 Influence, 10% bonus to cash gained from looting

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{Divorced_with_Celtiberian} Divorced Celtiberian Wife

{Divorced_with_Celtiberian_desc}
This man has divorced his Celtiberian wife. This causes much bad gossip and resentment among auxiliaries of the Punic army.

{Divorced_with_Celtiberian_effects_desc}
-1 Influence, -1 Command

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{Hellenic_Wife} Hellenic Wife

{Hellenic_Wife_desc}
This man's principle wife is Greek. Although this marriage expands his trade partners to the Hellenistic world, it causes some bad gossip among Carthaginian high society.

{Hellenic_Wife_effects_desc}
-1 Influence, 10% bonus on all trade income

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{Divorced_with_Hellenic} Divorced Hellenic Wife

{Divorced_with_Hellenic_desc}
This man has divorced his Greek wife. This causes many Hellenic trade partners to resent him and sever their business ties, which hurts his business badly.

{Divorced_with_Hellenic_effects_desc}
-1 Influence, 5% penalty on all trade income

Names of ethnic groups are generally always capitalized.

And I don't understand the point of the divorced trait; I didn't think RTW allowed divorces.

[Archbaker]

Did you mean to write principal wife?

[Suppanut]

They have divorced traits which I don't know mechanism but I could see rare case in vanilla that divorced happen(but no alert event to warned you). Maybe it is the same as Vanilla roman political post. I just made them trigger follow that trait.

[Suppanut]

Here is Final version for XGM 5.7.19. This maybe the last version for Ethnic Traits before officially incorperated into XGM 5.8.X. with rthese feature.

- Fix crazy ancillary spawning
- Fixed early serious bug due to bad conditioning
- Punic's wife feature
- Greek Cities' political wing

[CaesarVincens]

Did you mean to write principal wife?

Well, if the wife ran a school (unlikely in that era)...

They have divorced traits which I don't know mechanism but I could see rare case in vanilla that divorced happen(but no alert event to warned you). Maybe it is the same as Vanilla roman political post. I just made them trigger follow that trait.

OK, you are the trait expert here; I was just wondering.



I was thinking, with the new special temples, perhaps you should cap the level on certain triggers. So that one doesn't get unusual ancillaries and traits from special temples.

For example, this:

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Trigger temple_of_horse_2_vnv_trigger_01
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= temple_of_horse_2_temple

    Affects ReligiousAscetics  1  Chance  5 
    Affects Nonviolence  2  Chance  5 
    Affects Nonkleptocrat  1  Chance  5
    Affects HateBuddhist  1  Chance  5 
    Affects Buddhist  1  Chance  15

Could be changed to this to prevent the special temples from triggering.

Trigger temple_of_horse_2_vnv_trigger_01
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition EndedInSettlement
          and RemainingMPPercentage = 100
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= temple_of_horse_2_temple
          and SettlementBuildingExists < temple_of_horse_2_temple_sp

     Affects ReligiousAscetics  1  Chance  5 
    Affects Nonviolence  2  Chance  5 
    Affects Nonkleptocrat  1  Chance  5
    Affects HateBuddhist  1  Chance  5 
    Affects Buddhist  1  Chance  15

Just a thought.

[Archbaker]

I thought the man had more than one wife, which would have made the first one, or the one whose children would inherit first, his principal wife.

What is a principle wife?

[CaesarVincens]

The principle wife is what you are calling the principal wife. The only difference is that usually in English (American English at least), a principal is the chief (or principle) administrator of a school.

Principle as an adjective means chief or first.

[Archbaker]

I really do need a copy of Merriam-Webster to supplement my other dictionaries. The LDE says exactly the opposite of what you say, but it doesn't have all AmE variations so I'm sure you're right.

[LucretiusTC]

I was wondering if there is any way to give some kind of traits when the General establishes a new minor settlement (formerly watchtower). Something like a trait of City Founder? In my recent campaign I have one particularly useless General that doesn´t do much as a Governor, and I don´t really need him to lead an army, so I have mainly use him to build those minor settlements in strategical positions.

The other thing about those Traits is the word "Berber" as one of the ethnic trait for the Carthaginians. How about some less modern and more ancient term like "Libyan" (their lands extended from modern Morocco to the western borders of ancient Egypt) or "Numidian"? It is said the people of ancient Libya were the ancestors of the modern Berbers...

Luc.