My idea for Victoria 2

[Kiljan Arslan]

This hear is for fans of Victoria 2 I am going to submit this to Paradox's Victoria forum but I first want to see how you respond to the ideas.

First this one is very much needed in my opinion, Get a better graphics engine. second concerns battles I would like to see the next one allow you to watch battles I personally don't care if the graphics look like they're from RoN but make it so you can watch the battles. Maybe make it so that one man on the battle field equals 250 so a battle between 40,000 men would look like 160 men were fighting also an artillery group would have around 8 artillery to represent the added soldiers or a group of Guards or such would have colorful uniforms. Also make it so that the engine would generate a terrain of the battle field based on the provinces terrain so you'd see large amounts of trees if forested or few trees if not and if the enemy is entrenched they had dug outs. For ship warfare have every detachment be three ships. the same would apply to Submarines to have 3 ships per group also subs couldn't have detachments for risk of blowing their cover.

Oh speaking of ships make it so that the Dreadnought actually has torpedo attacks. Also the Battle cruiser/ heavy cruiser/ armored cruiser class should be able to fire torpedoes and perform shore bombardment. Also make it so there are several different types of subs you'd first have a submersable fallowed by the submarine fallowed finally by the electronic sub. Also in the viewable battles I'm proposal

Next is aircraft I suggest that their be the ability to research technologies for zeppelins/blimps which could at first function solley as Scouts but could later be also used for bombing raids but of course they'd have a limited range, and they'd suffer attrition if their was rain or snow where they were flying. Also after 1903 you'd be able to research technology to make cheaper airplane scouts however they'd have much less range then zeppelins and be much more subject to weather attrition. Eventually you'd have technology that would make your first fighter plane which would be able to intercept zeppelins, then you'd be able to make A even better one that would have the first zeppelins range soon after that better fighters and bombers. About this time infantry could start to have Flak detachments which would cut zeppelins to ribbons.

That reminds me also make it so that their can be bad weather which would function as an attritional modifier in battle.
End of part 1

[hellheaven1987]

Actually, I kindly disappoint that you cannot design battle formation by yourself in EUIII. I mean, I don't want to put cavalries on flank everytime during the battle.

Edit: Actually, a battle system like Heros of Might and Magic is strongly welcome.

[Kiljan Arslan]

No definatley not however it would be nice if you could maby have more choices in the army, and naval doctrines and be able to change them but fallowing changing them, there would be a two month penalty on your forces.

[The White Knight]

Personally I don't miss battles in any of Paradox' games. I would strongly prefer it if they would continue to emphasize on grand strategy and put all their resources in designing excellent diplomacy, AI and economics rather than adding a (likely lackluster) combat component.

[El Brujo]

POP's and immigration should both be changed. Instead of being promoted by the player, POP's should evolve naturally from one occupation to another(e.g. farmers to craftsmen) according to the availability of jobs and other factors(unless you're running a planned economy). Immigrants have their priorities screwed up I think, since when choosing a destination they look for social reforms, democratic government, and jobs in that order. It should be reversed. As it stands the only way to get serious immigration is to either go socialist or be the U.S.

Also, uncivilized nations shouldn't be quite as pitiful as they currently are.

[zznɟ ǝɥʇ]

With my limited experience, I agree with El Brujo...damn immigrants.

[Kiljan Arslan]

POP's and immigration should both be changed. Instead of being promoted by the player, POP's should evolve naturally from one occupation to another(e.g. farmers to craftsmen) according to the availability of jobs and other factors(unless you're running a planned economy). Immigrants have their priorities screwed up I think, since when choosing a destination they look for social reforms, democratic government, and jobs in that order. It should be reversed. As it stands the only way to get serious immigration is to either go socialist or be the U.S.

Also, uncivilized nations shouldn't be quite as pitiful as they currently are.

Hmm wonder why you have a problem with SOcailists?


On topic I'd change it so that parties are willing to accept certain minorities as citizens so like the Dems for Minority in 1836 would say
Western European Full citizenship
Central European Limited citizenship
Southern European Residince
Eastern European Residince
North American Residince
Central American Slavery
South AMerican Slavery
African Slavery
Middle Eastern Slavery
Central Asian Slavery
East Asian residince
South Asian slavery

[Kiljan Arslan]

Personally I don't miss battles in any of Paradox' games. I would strongly prefer it if they would continue to emphasize on grand strategy and put all their resources in designing excellent diplomacy, AI and economics rather than adding a (likely lackluster) combat component.

SOrry But I'd love to actually see the battle personally Just me though.

[Aketi]

First this one is very much needed in my opinion, Get a better graphics engine. second concerns battles I would like to see the next one allow you to watch battles I personally don't care if the graphics look like they're from RoN but make it so you can watch the battles.

It is very unlikely that paradox implements battles like that in the next games. I'm happy about it because they should stick to the things they are good at.
They developed a new graphics engine with EU 3 and they are going to use it in in their next games which are Rome, probably a new HoI and maybe new Victoria and Crusader Kings.

Personally I would prefer new expansions instead. A Victoria expansion with battles that have the depth of their counterparts in Doomsday. Aircraft. National Ideas. Tanks as 4th arm of the service. As mentioned earlier, better automatic pop management would be good, its such a micro management nightmare playing big empires.

[El Brujo]

Silly me, I forgot to mention the most important part. The key feature upon which the game's ultimate success hinges. The start date must be between 1836 and 1845 so that Texas can be a playable nation.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Texas is Playable!

[El Brujo]

Texas is Playable!

It is now, yes. I'm just stating my concern for the sequel.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Oh now I see. Probally will because That was right before victorica started her very long reign.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

I want it to alittle more user friendly then the first.
It's very very confusing at first and I still haven't figured it all out.
So a way to lessen the learning curve and still keep the complexity would be very nice.
Also, make it easier to control large empires.
And lastly, make elections better and have more of an effect.
I always felt that it didn't matter much which party won and would be nice if that would change.

[Trax]

Vicky starts in 1836 and not in 1835 because Johan wanted to play Texas.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Could this please be put back in the regular circus Maximus its not about EU3 which I don't even play nor really want to.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

It is about a Paradox games which this forum is for.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Oh well I also havew this idea for having 3 forms of trade ideologies for politiocal parties the new one would be Isolationist an Isolationist party would allow for up to 100% but tarrifs could never go lower than 80% also buying any items would cost twice as much as they would without tarrifs. Also now protectionist parties would no longer be able to have 100% tarrifs but only up to 80%. Parties which would be Isolationist would mostly be either reactionary or of Communist.

Also about jingoist parties I'd say that they should be able to demobilize soldiers however they must always have all military spending (including navy and army) spending at 100% and couldn't lower it. also for them when demobilizing soldiers it would dramiticly increace their militantcy.

Next comes events I would like too see events added that enable the creation of Rumania, the 1870 Balkans war (the war that saw the creation of bulgaria and Serbia and monternegro freeing themselves from the Ottamen yoke. As well as possibly events that would bring about the war of the triple alliance (Paraguay vs Argentina, Brazille, and an unwilling Uraquay, as well as an event tree that would lead to the Balkans wars of 1912, and of course then the Austrian aquiziton of Bosnia and the assasination of Archduke Ferdinand (of course for all this to happen there'd need to be alot of things leading to it.

[John I Tzimisces]

Can you imagine how long a Victoria with battles you could see playing out would take?
The best thing, I would think, would be a sort of simple visualization like EUIII has. Seriously, did lincoln command battles? No, his generals did. If you have some faceless bum against a genius commander, your troops are going to be outmaneuvered and destroyed, or win with heavy casualties, but if you have a good commander, then your troops will do fine.

The only way to make battles with the AI fair is simply to have the AI command your troops too. And generally Paradox does this well enough.

Kiljan you can kinda find a bunch of these events you're talking about in your last post in the VIP mod project.

[Kiljan Arslan]

I'm not saying you should command them just be able to if you want view how they are going.