Haydar Haydar! song

[Beauchamp]

I have been listening to this song for awhile, and it got me in the mood for BC. It is called "Haydar Haydar" or "Lion Lion" (haydar is an arabic word for lion, along with assad). I think it is an Alevi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alevi) song about Ali (correct me if I am wrong).

Here are the lyrics, could someone translate them for me? I am so curious:

Ondörtbin yýl gezdim pervanelikte
Sýtký ismin duydum divanelikte
Ýçtim þarabýný mestanelikte
Kýrklarýn cem'inde dara düþ oldum

Kýrklarýn cem'inde Haydar Haydar.... (dost) dara düþ oldum

Yürü hu Naciye özümü kattým
Adem sýfatýndan çok geldim gittim
Bülbül oldum Firdevs baðýnda öttüm
Bir zaman gül için zara düþ oldum

Bir zaman gül için Haydar Haydar.... (dost) zara düþ oldum

Ondörtbin Yýl Gezdim Pervanelikte (Haydar Haydar)

Ondörtbin Yýl Gezdim Pervanelikte,
Sýtký Ýsmin Duydum Divanelikte.
Ýçtim Þarabýný Mestanelikte,
Kýrklarýn Ceminde Dara Düþ Oldum.

Kýrklarýn Ceminde Haydar Haydar............. Dara Düþ Oldum
Güruh-u Naciye Özümü Kattým
Adem Sýfatýndan Çok Geldim Gittim
Bülbül Oldum Firdevs Baðýnda Öttüm
Bir Zaman Gül Ýçin Zara Düþ Oldum.
Kýrklarýn Ceminde Haydar Haydar............ Dara Düþ Oldum

Ma'Salema

[Strelac]

very interesting song, although I think that better fit would be great song from Korki Butchek...couldn't find sample but it goes something like:

Bing Bang, Bing Bang Bong

[Miraj]

Tsk Tsk Strelac, you don't even know the lyrics... here's how it really goes:

Bing Bang Bing Bong Bang *k* *k* *K* Bing Bang Bing Bang Bong *k* *k* *K*

Now lets sing it together!!

@ Beuchamp

Could you rename the thread perhaps.. considering this isn't BC's theme song. Could be a bit misleading for some.

[Beauchamp]

sorry, how does one rename threads?

[Miraj]

Just double click on the thread title in the main BC forums index.

You don't have to.. just a suggestion due to the fact that some might assume this is indeed what they will hear when they open up BC.

EDIT: Nevermind, I did it already.

[Juba1]

this is not an arabic song, sounds more like a turkish music...

[firekiller]

i am lissing this to get in the BC mood



dont now how you can put it in forum a youtube thing plz explain me that that like above you need to click

so here is the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTKUG47iTTE

[Beauchamp]

this is not an arabic song, sounds more like a turkish music...

It is Turkish, Anatolian in fact. Haydar is an arabic word.

edit: Woot I got a crown! Shukran Jizilan!

[Randarkmaan]

Cool song, also, seeing as this thread was previously named BC theme, have any of you heard the main menu music for CivIV warlords? That also gets me in a BC mood, and would be very cool for BC as well, though I guess the team has already got their own, presumably awesome, main menu music.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/os5m3y
I remember reading that it's actually a Lebanese song from 1970 though.

What exactly does "Shukran Jizilan" mean actually? I'm guessing... "thank you"

[Beauchamp]

its like "thank you very much"

[Boztorgai_Khan]

i am lissing this to get in the BC mood



dont now how you can put it in forum a youtube thing plz explain me that that like above you need to click

so here is the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTKUG47iTTE

Zware Jongens

[Ermeni]

this is very difficult to translate, even people who live in turkey can not understand everything of this this fully. I asked some one of my friends who live in Turkey, he told me that it was a alevi poem.

[IrAr]

Good to hear from you, Ermeni. I haven't in a while.
Does Hay have any relation to Haye?

[Beauchamp]

No, not like Hayastan
"Haydar" means "lion" in Arabic.

[Ermeni]

Good to hear from you, Ermeni. I haven't in a while.
Does Hay have any relation to Haye?

Hi IrAr, yeah I've been gone a wile

and as beuchamp say it's not related

or do you mean when they sing Haye Haye in kurdish/Turkish songs? that don't mean anything they just sing it to express some kind of "feeling", none of them are related to Hay,

beuchamp i'll try to see if someone can help with the translation. i had this armenian friend from Halab he spoke old turkish, i'll try to mail him.

[Beauchamp]

Thanks Ermeni!
maybe its in Alevi or Anatolian dialects? (I don't think it is in Ottoman...)

Edit: here are the Ali Ekbar Cicek lyrics (the man in the video):
Ondörtbin yil gezdim divanelikte
Sidk-i ismin duydum pervanelikte
Içtim sarabini mestanelikte
Kirklarin ceminde haydar haydar haydar dara düs oldum

Güruh-u naci'ye özümü kattim
Insan sifatindan çok geldim gittim
Bülbül oldum firdevs baginda öttüm
Bir zamanlar gül için haydar haydar haydar
Dara düs oldum

[Ermeni]

yeah probably a dialect.

[Seljuk]

Thanks Ermeni!
maybe its in Alevi or Anatolian dialects? (I don't think it is in Ottoman...)

Edit: here are the Ali Ekbar Cicek lyrics (the man in the video):
Ondörtbin yil gezdim divanelikte
Sidk-i ismin duydum pervanelikte
Içtim sarabini mestanelikte
Kirklarin ceminde haydar haydar haydar dara düs oldum

Güruh-u naci'ye özümü kattim
Insan sifatindan çok geldim gittim
Bülbül oldum firdevs baginda öttüm
Bir zamanlar gül için haydar haydar haydar
Dara düs oldum

Song is in Turkish in Central Anatolian dialect (under influence in Persian which is normal as Alevism can be considered a herodox form of shiism). It is highly metaphorical and about Ali ibn Talip (son-in-law of Mohammed) who is symbolized as Haydar (Lion). Btw Alevis are not a distinct ethnic group there exists Turkish,Kurdish and Arab Alevis.
My translation won't be much meaningful since i dont know much about methaphors in Alevism but any way:

I traveled fourteen thousand years in lunaticness
I heard your devoted name in firmament
I drank your wine in besottedness
In fourtys cem haydar haydar haydar I fell to trouble

I added my essence to heavenly
I fluctuated around human title much many
I became a nightingale in heavens garden
For a rose once upon a time haydar haydar haydar
I fell to trouble


sucky translation really but its best i can do

[IrAr]

Hi IrAr, yeah I've been gone a wile

and as beuchamp say it's not related

or do you mean when they sing Haye Haye in kurdish/Turkish songs? that don't mean anything they just sing it to express some kind of "feeling", none of them are related to Hay

I meant is Haye (our Haye) related to their Haydar? Apparently, not as Seljuk as made it quite clear.

[Boztorgai_Khan]

Song is in Turkish in Central Anatolian dialect (under influence in Persian which is normal as Alevism can be considered a herodox form of shiism). It is highly metaphorical and about Ali ibn Talip (son-in-law of Mohammed) who is symbolized as Haydar (Lion). Btw Alevis are not a distinct ethnic group there exists Turkish,Kurdish and Arab Alevis.
My translation won't be much meaningful since i dont know much about methaphors in Alevism but any way:

I traveled fourteen thousand years in lunaticness
I heard your devoted name in firmament
I drank your wine in besottedness
In fourtys cem haydar haydar haydar I fell to trouble

I added my essence to heavenly
I fluctuated around human title much many
I became a nightingale in heavens garden
For a rose once upon a time haydar haydar haydar
I fell to trouble


sucky translation really but its best i can do

Nice Work.