Are Leinster and Meath Playable?

[ccllnply]

I was thinking of buying this game and I just wanted to know if Leinster, Meath or any of the Irish kingdoms are playable?

[hellheaven1987]

There are four Irish nations in 1453, cannot remember their name though. Normally Irish minors are pretty hard to play due to lack of resource and manpower, continuing compeition with neighbour and outside invader (I even saw French crusade Ireland before).

[Cúchulainn]

In Ireland you can play as Leinster, Munster, Tyrone(Ulster)
Connacht.
You can't play as Meath as it is controled by England.

And yes, it is Suicide to play as an Irish minor.

There was some lad on the Paradox forum who conquered Europe as Tyrone though.

[lila-laune-bär]

Plus when you unify the Irish Isle either by diploannexeation or conquest, you can form the kingdom of Ireland.

[Cúchulainn]

Plus when you unify the Irish Isle either by diploannexeation or conquest, you can form the kingdom of Ireland.

It's the Confederate of Ireland.

Ireland was never a kingdom.

[hellheaven1987]

And yes, it is Suicide to play as an Irish minor.

In 1.3 I usually saw AI unified Ireland within 50 years. Not sure how they achieve it so fast though.

There is no need for diplo-annex, even you conquer everyone and force-annex you only gain 6 badboy point, which is easy to deal with since you probably would not fight anyone in Europe after Ireland unification. England does give some serious headache though.

[John I Tzimisces]

It's the Confederate of Ireland.

Ireland was never a kingdom.

No kidding. But you can form the Kingdom of Ireland if you conquer the other petty states and drive the english out.
Island nations are generally easy to play as and the irish are no exception once they've unified the island.

[King Edward III]

It's the Confederate of Ireland.

Ireland was never a kingdom.

It was. Henry VIII made Ireland a kingdom after he broke from Rome, supposedly to increase loyalty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Ireland

@OP: Yeah, you can play as Connauct, Leinster, Munster and Ulster. Meath is controlled by England though. And they can't be released by England as an independent minor.

[Cúchulainn]

It was. Henry VIII made Ireland a kingdom after he broke from Rome, supposedly to increase loyalty.

The country you can form in Europa is the Confederate of Ireland.
Not the kingdom.

And besides the Kingdom of Ireland was called the United Kingdoms of Great[cough] Britian and Ireland.
It was under union with Britian.

It didn't become a independent nation until the 1940's.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I've played a game as Leinster where I unified the island and played as a merchant and colonising state.

[King Edward III]

The country you can form in Europa is the Confederate of Ireland. Not the kingdom.

Hmm maybe. Although the game never gives an indication of which Ireland you form. There was only two (three if you want to be picky), you had the Lordship of Ireland before Henry VIII broke from rome, then you had the Kingdom of Ireland when Henry VIII reconquered it and made it into a Kingdom and then the Confederacy of Ireland during the English Civil War.

And besides the Kingdom of Ireland was called the United Kingdoms of Great[cough] Britian and Ireland.
It was under union with Britian.

It didn't become a independent nation until the 1940's.

Nooo, I'm talking about before Cromwell and after the break from Rome. Henry VIII made Ireland into a Kingdom, check the link.

The terms in union with Britain btw

[Cúchulainn]

Nooo, I'm talking about before Cromwell and after the break from Rome. Henry VIII made Ireland into a Kingdom, check the link.

But still under union and not independent.

So how would that be useful in Europa.

[King Edward III]

But still under union and not independent.

Oh no, I never ment it was independent, it was in personal union with England. It was still a Kingdom, though.

So how would that be useful in Europa.

Huh?

[Cúchulainn]

Huh?

I mean how would creating the Kingdom of Ireland be of any use.
Seeing as it was never an independent nation.
And that it existed half a centuary before the start date of Europa.

[King Edward III]

I mean how would creating the Kingdom of Ireland be of any use.
Seeing as it was never an independent nation.
And that it existed half a centuary before the start date of Europa.

Theres no point, the country you create when you form Ireland is just Ireland not the Kingdom/Confederacy or anything. Thats what the government icon is for .

I was just saying there was a Kingdom of Ireland and I've proven it

[John I Tzimisces]

Cúchulainn, I honestly don't understand what you don't seem to be grasping.

This entire game is entirely theoretical (unmodded anyhow).
What use is the kingdom of Italy, or Germany? Neither existed in the way the game portrays them until the 1800s.
What use is being given the option to play any nation?

Forming the THEORETICAL Kingdom of Ireland from one of the minor states on the island of Ireland is triggered by conquering the other minor states on the island.

Simple as that.

[hellheaven1987]

Hey, anyone knows which nations in 1453 have culture that can form Netherland??

[John I Tzimisces]

country_event = {

id = 1002

trigger = {
NOT = { exists = NED }
NOT = { tag = PAP }
NOT = { has_country_flag = netherlands_nation_declined }
OR = {
primary_culture = dutch
primary_culture = flemish
}
owns = 96 # Zeeland
owns = 97 # Holland
owns = 98 # Utrecht
owns = 100 # Friesland
war = no


But this is off topic.

[hellheaven1987]

However, I don't remember there is a country which has Dutch culture in 1453... I mean, that area is completely occupying by Burgury.

[John I Tzimisces]

No it's not.
There's Gelre, Utrect...and something else I can't be bothered to remember. Flanders, if it forms (like if Calais revolts) is flemish..