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    Ok, I understand that Western Europe is extremely rich and the Euro currency is very strong. However, how come many Western Europeans still consider immigrating to USA? What is the appeal of USA that Western Europe cannot offer?
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    Why do we go over there? I don't know, it seems exciting?

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    Because we want to live in the home of the free and the brave. Also we all really dislike paying taxes for things we don't even use for instance the NHS instead we want to pay for insurance and have few taxes. Plus for all this talk of euros been liberal we all secretly want to live in a conservative paradise.


    Plus we want to be able to buy games when they come out and not have to wait 6 months for lazy arse devs to put them over here.
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    Is the flow from the US to Europe the same?

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    alot of us people come to the uk for their retriement, infact i belive that after the irish and some other group americans are the 3rd largest immigration group into the uk, their is more of them here then their are africans for example.

    but from my own personal exsperance they all seem to be O.A.Ps

    at the same time alot of brits immigrate, lets be honest the uk has its problems and their are alot of racist biggots here who dont like immigrants themselves so they move to places like canada and the usa because they "think" its like britian was 20 years ago. and then many are horrifed to find out that in terms of % their are less white people in the states and canada then their are in the uk. of course their are many reasons brits leaves the uk but tbh when they are asked like they have been before on the news they give the usual immigrant hateing blame the liberals ansewer.

    alot of brits go to france and spain as well, but most of them are again going their for retriement and are mostly O.A.Ps and tbh rather them their then here, atlest their they are not putting pressure on our services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    Ok, I understand that Western Europe is extremely rich and the Euro currency is very strong. However, how come many Western Europeans still consider immigrating to USA? What is the appeal of USA that Western Europe cannot offer?
    Wasn't aware we did. The majority of expatriated Britons live in Australia, New Zealand, France and Spain. Various reasons. New Zealand is attractive because it is so sparsely populated and the prices are rock bottom, compared to the UK, one of the most densely populated countries on Earth (losing out only to the likes of Bangladesh) where land and property prices are gigantic. Australia has massive recruitment drives for educated British workers and civil servants. France and Spain both have large populations of retired Britons. Canada and the USA have substansial populations too. But there is no 'drive' to emigrate to America, nor is Canada or the USA the most popular destination for ex pats.

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    Not a lot of Europeans head to the US, not when compared to other inter-continentional migrations. But the Euro is pretty expensive when compared to the Mark and Gulden and other pre-Euro European currencies. But Central Europe is probably the best place to be at this point, Germany is fabously rich thanks to export and trade through Europe and Hungary is probably the cheapest country if you are used to using Euros.
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    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





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    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

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    USA and the American Dream seems to be very appealing to Europeans

    Many people leave thier home country for a better future or because they messed all up and hope in another country it would be easier to have success

    US-America stands for all these selfmade Millionaires and Venture Capital, Start-Up Companies for possibilities and freedom etc.
    Some People say e.g. that the Story of Bill Gates (starting his company in a Garage and becoming one of the richest persons on this planet) wouldn't have been possible in Europe because of the European Bureaucracy that regulates almost everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodwig I. View Post
    USA and the American Dream seems to be very appealing to Europeans

    Many people leave thier home country for a better future or because they messed all up and hope in another country it would be easier to have success

    US-America stands for all these selfmade Millionaires and Venture Capital, Start-Up Companies for possibilities and freedom etc.
    Some People say e.g. that the Story of Bill Gates (starting his company in a Garage and becoming one of the richest persons on this planet) wouldn't have been possible in Europe because of the European Bureaucracy that regulates almost everything.
    This is what people post if they don't have any clue about the difficulty and expense of immigrating to the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    This is what people post if they don't have any clue about the difficulty and expense of immigrating to the United States.
    Agreed. I personally believe that US Americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don't have maps and I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and the Iraq everywhere like such as. And I believe that they should ... Our education over here in the US should help the US .. or should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries so that we will be able to build up our future
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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    Ok, I understand that Western Europe is extremely rich and the Euro currency is very strong. However, how come many Western Europeans still consider immigrating to USA? What is the appeal of USA that Western Europe cannot offer?
    It can't be the health care

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chlodwig I. View Post
    USA and the American Dream seems to be very appealing to Europeans

    Many people leave thier home country for a better future or because they messed all up and hope in another country it would be easier to have success

    US-America stands for all these selfmade Millionaires and Venture Capital, Start-Up Companies for possibilities and freedom etc.
    Some People say e.g. that the Story of Bill Gates (starting his company in a Garage and becoming one of the richest persons on this planet) wouldn't have been possible in Europe because of the European Bureaucracy that regulates almost everything.
    It isn't the 30s anymore. Western Europe is just as rich (and possibly richer) than the US.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Because Europe is backwards compared to the US. Anyway, as far was i'm aware most don't emigrate to the US.

    After i finish my degree i'm looking at emigrating, there's simply far more opportnity elsewhere where people are more open-minded. Europe is just a socialistic, conformist, burocratic mess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syron View Post
    Because Europe is backwards compared to the US. Anyway, as far was i'm aware most don't emigrate to the US.

    After i finish my degree i'm looking at emigrating, there's simply far more opportnity elsewhere where people are more open-minded. Europe is just a socialistic, single-minded, burocratic mess.
    Americans are scared of socialism aren't they?

    Our health care is universally given and free and is beyond yours....We don't have guns in every house....i don't think we are th backwards ones....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syron View Post
    Because Europe is backwards compared to the US. Anyway, as far was i'm aware most don't emigrate to the US.

    After i finish my degree i'm looking at emigrating, there's simply far more opportnity elsewhere where people are more open-minded. Europe is just a socialistic, conformist, burocratic mess.
    Ah stereotypes, don't even give me a reason to start on America.
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    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    I don't think many europeans go to the US, some go temporarily for a job, but most come back after some years.
    I don't know why you want to live in Hungary, it's cheap but you get paid barely anything compared to western Europe.

    Yanks are very scared of socialism, does anyone know why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebdeas View Post
    I don't think many europeans go to the US, some go temporarily for a job, but most come back after some years.
    I don't know why you want to live in Hungary, it's cheap but you get paid barely anything compared to western Europe.
    Its the perfect place for rich Western Europeans to retire, its a goldmine if you are already pretty rich.

    Yanks are very scared of socialism, does anyone know why?
    Yanks fear Communism, Socialism is something completely different.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebdeas View Post
    I don't think many europeans go to the US, some go temporarily for a job, but most come back after some years.
    I don't know why you want to live in Hungary, it's cheap but you get paid barely anything compared to western Europe.

    Yanks are very scared of socialism, does anyone know why?
    Socialism is on the wrong side of the political spectrum, it is too close to communism.

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    I never heard of western europeans moving to the states really. Perhaps some individuals. Well, okay, to be fair, I live in Sweden, we don't move around nowadays. People come in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kb8 View Post
    Americans are scared of socialism aren't they?

    Our health care is universally given and free and is beyond yours....We don't have guns in every house....i don't think we are th backwards ones....
    I Wouldn’t say that, Americans just have a tad more sensible economic policies.

    Yours? Where do you think I’m from? Quite funny you assume i'm American

    Our healthcare is **** and even worse than other socialistic health schemes in the rest of Europe. Good luck if you want an acceptable level of treatment when you need it. I use Private healthcare for some things anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    Ah stereotypes, don't even give me a reason to start on America.
    Stereotypes? I live in Europe and have travelled to America and many other places. I can see it with my own eyes. I also have friends from many other countries and they see the same general trends.
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