Reform the Voting System - Urgently!

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Claudius Decimus stands up and yells to the Senate

Senators, Romans, listen to my words! It is true that I have been elected just recently, but I'm dismayed at watching the seemingly precarious way our votes as Senators and Romans are casted away.

While the rest of the Romani uses polls to give their votes on serious issues, the Res Publica still sticks to a stone age Usenet solution of allowing most users to decide their votes through their posts and not through the safe use of polls, carefully managed with security options to avoid fraud, manipulation, and to register ever single vote we give. While we are still a small group, this won't last forever, noble Senators! I feel that a new solution has to be proposed, and this includes the broader use of forum polls instead of relying just on posts.

Senators, I have two innovative ideas in my mind. The first is to model this according to the Cvria of the People of TWC, and make a separate forum for votes on laws and issues of the Republic. Everyone will be allowed to vote, and votes will be made public so there won't be a need to confirm any position by posting.

For this, Senators, we will need the official approval of TWC, but then as we already have this forum, it won't be hard to create a new subforum for both for closed and current issues to vote. I agree all polls should be open except in special cases, so that votes can be counted and votes by unregistered people be ignored. And multiple choice polls could also come according to the details of the issue to be voted.

The second is, of course, ehrm... I forgot about it. Joke, Senators! All my ideas were expressed!

I therefore retreat to my position and humbly await what our Senators have to say. And what will be the final will of the Res Publica.

Edit - To further clarify my position, I'm stating that all official votes should be cast in poll threads. There are already elections being conducted in such fashion, but I feel they're just a portion, not the whole of Senatorial decisions. This is not an official measure proposition, but a technical suggestion.

[Calvin]

I am unsure about this - makes changing a vote more difficult, and to be honest I really enjoy navigating the tumultuous route of discussion in the Senate Hall. Making it too clinical takes away from the character of this RPG.

[sanada]

Usually this would go in the Senate Constitution thread, but it is an important issue - right now, I see no real problem, we have many motions and bills been passed around at the moment all of which are watched over by the Princeps Senatus (as well as the Censor & Junior Consul, not to mention me and winter, as well as the whole senate) and having a forum with a thread for every single bill would be a welcome step forward, but as of now, I see no need to request a separate forum for bills, votes etc as there is no real danger of cheating and the likes.

Of course, if the people involved feel different I would happily request a new forum.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

I am unsure about this - makes changing a vote more difficult, and to be honest I really enjoy navigating the tumultuous route of discussion in the Senate Hall. Making it too clinical takes away from the character of this RPG.

It is not exactly a "clinical" suggestion. We can still give a route to Senators to change their minds, if they wish, and cancel their votes. It's a matter of organization: it will cut the work of anyone counting the votes by simply grouping them into one poll, instead of just leaving them randomly spread around the threads.

[Marcus Tullius Cicero]

I'm with Andronicus.

[Calvin]

Yes, but that work is part of the fun - and also helps keep discussion going in the main Senate thread. Like sanada said, there is no problem at the moment - the Princeps Senatus exists exactly for this reason.

[Kritias]

The proposal can help a lot the PS office...Why have the PS searching the entire RP thread for the votes and to have to remind the senate of the active votes all the time when he can just take a look on a sub-forum?I am in favor of this reformation!

[Winter]

This is an intriguing idea, but we can't really have votes lasting for a whole day or so. This post method may be difficult to use, but It lets us end votes when we want to. It also keeps votes in the senates view.

Unless you think we should get a whole forum called the Cvria or something. I think they already have one of those on this site though

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

This is an intriguing idea, but we can't really have votes lasting for a whole day or so. This post method may be difficult to use, but It lets us end votes when we want to. It also keeps votes in the senates view.

Unless you think we should get a whole forum called the Cvria or something. I think they already have one of those on this site though

I'm just basing myself on the Curia votes session. We need just a Votes subforum where all the poll threads would be placed.

[Winter]

This is as I have said a good idea. Sanada and I are in the process of rewriting some rules of the senate etc, perhaps you could pm us some of your ideas?

[Calvin]

A change of this magnitude should be put to the senate. I am not the only one who has expressed distaste at this idea.

[Winter]

of course this would be put to the senate. All of our ideas are. The junior Consul and Princeps Senatus reforms are two for an example.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

So, hopefully with the approval of my fellow Optimates, I will make the first move and turn this official. Everybody in favor says YAY!

Voting System Reform

Yay 1 - Nay 0 - Abstain 0

[Kritias]

I vote Yay!

ooc:You do know,that red is the color of our once-prime enemies,the Populares?

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

I vote Yay!

ooc:You do know,that red is the color of our once-prime enemies,the Populares?

ooc:Red is the color of Rome, so it is MY color .

Edit: Yay -2 Nay - 0 Abstain - 0

[Winter]

Woah woah woah, we haven't even specified how this will work, when it will start, what will be put in polls. No not yet. Stop the voting please.

Edit

Voltaire, does your presence here and lack of EB democratic game sig mean that game has died out? I hope not...

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Well, it's quite obvious, Lucius. We have a separate thread or sub-forum where all the official voting will take place, and that includes posting open polls and such. Just like the "Curia Vote" section in the Curia.

ooc: the EB democratic game is on the hold, but if things are already here, and RS has 1000% better battles than EB, then why wait? EB is good for RP due to the great historicity, but RS is much more realistic with army sizes and battles. And less lag, more action, more fun too if you mind the historical innacuracies.

back in character: ok, I will switch to blue so that I don't get very distinct from my fellow Optimates .

[Winter]

Well look, I don't want to radically change this system until I talk to sanada. This will mean that WE have to do all of this moving etc, and we will have to figure out how this will work.

[sanada]

Dont worry - I would like to see this happen but I am worried that it will slow down the process of voting,

as for moving threads etc, I would not mind doing that work

[Calvin]

I do not want to see this happen, it will make the discussions in the senate hall a lot less boring with people saying "shouldn't this be moved to a poll now". Why do we need to change it? If we look at the current Princeps Senatus, they are doing a sterling job of keeping up with the votes. This simply doesn't need to happen.