Scandza: Total War

[max_minimod]

@Bardowick:
EDIT: Correction, a church is of course not present att he start of the mod, as it was pagan at this timepoint, afaik, but i'm not sure about that, if the Romans had a christian impact in the 4th century in this area.

What's with Haithabu? Already considered?

Saxon where heathens till Karl der Grosse (/Charlemagne) destroyed their cult places and made them christians by sword. Guess was 772.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irminsul
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eresburg

@Heiðabýr

was probably founded around 770. In 808 the Danish king Godfred (Lat. Godofredus) destroyed a competing Slav trade centre namied Reric and it is recorded in the Frankish chronicles that he moved the merchants from there to Hedeby.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedeby

Anyway, great to read you found some other places maybe important for later (Viking) times too. I will have to check them for our mod times (starts 840 AC).
Keep up the good work!

[DaVinci]

Saxon where heathens till Karl der Grosse (/Charlemagne) destroyed their cult places and made them christians by sword. Guess was 772.

Yes, well known anyway. Btw., i was born in Hamburg and i visited some of those places were the Franks probable killed a lot Saxons due to their reluctance vs. the christian belief.

But, that doesn't mean automatically, that every very old trade town (well known by the Romans, and surely also used by them - the problem is always that nearly none reliable documents exist for a lot of settlements/regions before a church was founded) was still complete pagan at this time as Karl started the Saxon-Wars. I mention this in regard of the very old town Bardowick. To veryfy it, would need just detailed researchment. I'll have a look if i can find something reliable. But that's academical only (here now my own inspired interest of my neiborhood, as i know the todays Bardowick), as for game-terms, the Bardengau regions should be for this mod certainly a merely pagan location.

[max_minimod]

Yes, interesting info, I have not read much about Bardowick yet.
A friend who is interested in Saxon history told me, Minda (Minden)
was very important.
Also Erisburgo which might have been the biggest Saxon border fortress against the Franks.

You are true, most places in Saxon lands are only known because they where named in Frankish reports, when Karl did stop for some action there.
(One can guess he will have chosen the bigger places.)

On Viking period I chosen Bremon, it was mentioned as a place who had more than one Viking raid and was important bishop seat.

[DaVinci]

I believe you can understand a bit german language: Bardowick's old history, probable a town older than Rome itself
http://www.bardowick.com/geschichte/fr.htm
... but sure is now, for the mod here, it is a Saxon and pagan location.

Vikings raided all along every river sites, they reached a lot central regions far from the coasts with their longboats, i'm sure you know that (not important for this mod here, but for your own ).

Verden, Minden, Celle, Bremen ... and a few more were important at that times, but Bardowick is probable the oldest town of North-Germany, and has been in that area the most important in regard of the geographical-trade position (and warefare as well due to the fact of the main roads between east-west and north-south), until 1189, as Heinrich der Löwe destroyed it completely (with a lot of luck) after former big and sucessful defence of the town. Its function was then finally completely replaced by Lüneburg and Lübeck.

As for Bremen in your mod (max): You know Bremen lays at the Weser river, far more west, a whole other region as the Bardengau right of the Elbe river. The Elbe river should be mentioned as border.

[Man of West Gondor]

SWEET! I love that poem!

[Hengest]

I'm not sure I'd agree that the Smålänningar were Geats at this time, they may well have been Danish. I have not seen any conclusive evidence. Sorry I got the dates wrong, I read them somewhere here and assumed that you were going for the 600s onwards.

Apart from that, it seems that you will get along just fine here without me...

[Dansk viking]

Updated the first post:

[Dansk viking]

PS -I'd be careful about the Riding Geats because academics are divided about waht that refers to. It may be a misunderstood kenning for Jutes or for continental Goths, if not both in certain cases. If we are talking about Geats in the far south of Scandinavia- there weren't any. Lastly, the Cimbri, Teutoni and Vandali were way before this mod. If there were any traces of them in the 400 era when many of these tribes were in Roman employment they left no trace a tall despite coming from this area, the general view is that these tribes had either moved, died out or developed into the better known larger tribal groups. Widisth is a really good source for faction list in my opinion.

Well, many of the Rebel factions that I'm going to include are just guesses and very poorly documented. The well known tribes and clans will be included as playable factions.

I have to read a bit more about Widsith!

What's with Haithabu? Already considered?

As for the timeframe, why not letting it end at 790AD, just right before MTW:VI's timeframe starts?

Haithabu is a later town, it was built about 800AD.

I think there was to many changes from the beginning of the 6th to the 9th century for it to be historical.

Apart from that, it seems that you will get along just fine here without me...

It's nice to have you around anyway, for some historical critisism and such

[DaVinci]

The timeframe is not a fixed one, but it will be around 490-600

Alright, yes i know Haithabu was built around 800 AD.

I see forward also for the above timeframe, well, this means in principle everything before the real known viking migration phase (well, your chosen map speaks anyway for this concept).

Will you include 2tpy or 4tpy for these 110 years? If you create anyway some show_me scripting, then the 4tpy would be suitable.

[Dansk viking]

Yes, this is not the Viking Age (793-1050), this is the preface, when the foundation of the nations in the Viking Age was established.

I really like the 4 turns pr. year, so that'll be the one.

[Etepete]

Hmm, well I know it might be different in the migration period, but during the viking age it seems to me like viking raids and war efforts were undertaken mainly in Spring and Autumn, winter being to bloody awkward, and summer needing all the men for harvest. If so, it might be an idea to put in a two season per year system where you only act in Spring and Autumn.

[Dansk viking]

You are partially right about that, but their activity was in the late spring (so they could sow) and summer until early autum (so they could harvest)... I don't know about his yet, but I still think I'll go for the 4 turns.

[Dansk viking]

Just to keep you posted about the progress.

I've finished the basic map, and the next step will be putting in regions and settlements... You are welcome if you have any suggestions for them.

I may post some screenshots soon:

[Dansk viking]

added a few screenshots of the campaign map.

look in the first post!

[Tarif]

I wish you continuing success! Nice map!

[Man of West Gondor]

Hi, Me again I was wondering if you all would like to have my art for the hero Beowulf. I was going to make a Beowulf Mod for BFME2 but I can't complete it so, would you guys want a look?

[Dansk viking]

yeah, sounds nice!

[Man of West Gondor]

Here is the Hero Beowulf!!!

[Dansk viking]

Why is he wearing a cross amulet...?

[Man of West Gondor]

Why is he wearing a cross amulet...?

Because, I going by the Poem with him being Christian. Even though Historians
say that they converted in about 1000 A.D. (But I have my own little thing on that.)