Cvria Ivlia, Consulate of Balbvs/Cato (senate records)

[Winter]

I accept the consequences of my actions regarding Quintius' legion. However, you cannot deny that these nobles of Tarentum were the instigators of this war. We are not talking about enslaving the citizens of this city here, but taking land and titles from people who have maliciously intended to harm the Roman people.

These men are not innocents, they should be seen as war criminals in my eyes.

[68 Powers]

Ave Senator,

Then we are murders of Greeks and Romans in my eyes. These men protected what they thought was right as would I, and im sure many of you would,
Do you see them starting riots? Stealing from us? trying to help More greeks across the sea to tarentum? NO They have accepted Defeat and are not resisting anymore for the are going to go on living their lives maybe one day to help us in our most needs hour.

[Winter]

These men thought themselves above diplomacy, above Rome, and ordered into Italy a foreign king to subdue us. These men did not act out of genuine concern for their people, they acted out of genuine concern for their assets. I don't believe these sort of people should be the leading men in a Roman settlement.

(ooc) btw, pop. happiness is only 80 in tarentum...

[68 Powers]

Who said they were leading? They are just there to look pretty they have no real power in tarentum our soldiers make sure of that.

[Nardril]

We might as well just have enslaved them Senator...
for it would have caused less greif about this.

[Winter]

The people of their settlement may not see it that way. What they see, and I have been to Tarentum and have spoken to them, is the oligarchs of their settlement retaining their wealth and nobility after plunging them again into war and destruction.

[68 Powers]

Then Send our Nobiles into that Settlement and take it over Politaclly.
But strip them of their hard earned riches is not what i recommend.
Besides they Cant do much against a Republic and Expecally us, Men of the Senate, And we agreed that they would be showen mercy and Roman Citizenship would be given it was voted on and passed we cannot go against that..

[Winter]

So we will value the titles and wealth of a few tarantines above the good of the Roman masses. This decision of yours sickens me.

[68 Powers]

Above the Romans who dont help themselves yes they are no good than the Barbains. I will not take life from another and give it to another.
Your Tyrant like Behaior twords these people makes me want to call u Phyruss himself. Why would u do that to someone?

[Nardril]

Senators. Lets be civial here we are all the same no one is Phyruss or Anything that is a Dsihonor to be called. Lets be men about this.

[Winter]

How dare you call the Roman people tyrants and me Pyrrhus in the same breath! I attempt to take the lands of the Tarantine Tyrants and distribute it among the plebs who have endured SO MUCH in the name of Rome. Give the Tarantines their splendid city houses. The land should go to the plebs.

[kon_air]

No let them fight its what we Romans do best!

[68 Powers]

Plebs! They have not Endured one bit!
I would rather give the City to our Brave soldiers and declare them a new nation! But the Plebs did they go into war and Face Phyrusses hordes?
Did they watch the man next to them be pile Drived by a pike or arrow?

No they did not the plebs just spent a little money supporting those men and now they deserve to be Rich? i think not Roman Soldiers Deserve Lands not the Poor little helpless plebs who are to weak to make a name for themselves or Get into the Senate and make a Difference!

you are no Different than those Extremist who wold Exterminate all those in a city with a blink of an eye!

[Nardril]

At least we Get Rome Somewhere! instead of you dumb Optimates and Populares who sit the in Senate house and Debate without any action!
Death to all Populares and Optimates who do nothing for Roma!

[Winter]

The plebs stood in the front lines as velites, and were cut down in the Hastati maniples! How dare you be so utterly biased to your pathetic optimate beliefs. You do a disservice to your party and yourself, Consul.

And you Decimus Cato, how dare you say I did nothing for Rome? Were you not here during my Consulate?

[68 Powers]

Ha!
You do your party no good i wouldent be surprised if the Patricain familys Exacuted you right in the Streets For such foolish Beliefs and you call yourself a Roman!

Yse i was there for your Consulship and just because i dont see you as a god dosent mean i will agree on everthing u say Senator. Your Idea for Throwing Good people such as the Tarentums Away sickens me and for that you should Think about dearly. Plebs are Plebs they will have their Time and as for Roman Soldiers They shouldbe given riches if anything Not the plebs who sat in roma on their Arse doing nothing but Drinking and Complaining that their life sucks.

[Nardril]

Ha. Populares and Optimates do no one any good they are just there to be there. Plebs they will make more! Dont get so Disheartened just because Men you dont know died i dont have Any Regrets about sending them in they did their part now its time for extremetists to do their!

[Winter]

First of all, Consul, I debate you now as Tribune of the Plebs, not as a Populares, and I expect a measure of respect. And second, I do not take kindly to threats on my life. Change your tone, Consul, or the Censor that you have yet to appoint may have to make an investigation.

[68 Powers]

Senator. It was Directed twords my Foolish and Dishonored brother...

[kon_air]

Extremists Will do Roma good. Not you tword Blind leaders that no one sees.
Roma needs Strong Leaders not men who do nothing and wish for the poor to become rich and Mourn for losses in the Past get a Hold of yourselves. Time to move on War is the only way Roma must Rule!