Roma Surrectum's New Seleucid Empire!

[Cyrus the Virus]

They certainly would be unstoppable, if they weren't so damned big - the very thing which gives them so many units available also makes far-flung provinces difficult to defend, try playing a Seleucid campaign in 1.5 and see how problematical holding on to provinces is.

Definitely why I stop myself from playing them, I want to expand on my own, not defending some collapsing empire.
Same with the BI expansion and the Romans there.

[Mulattothrasher]

Wow indeed! An extremely impressive unit roster. They seem to have the cream of the ancient world at their disposal, the best of Parthia, Macedon, Carthage, Greece.
They could be unstoppable.

They certainly would be unstoppable, if they weren't so damned big - the very thing which gives them so many units available also makes far-flung provinces difficult to defend, try playing a Seleucid campaign in 1.5 and see how problematical holding on to provinces is.

In a nutshell, you guys pretty much nailed the Seleucid historical position during the RS2 timeframe.

During Antiochus III's reign, the Seleucid empire was poised to go to either way. Its size began huge, he lost most of Asia Minor from two battles lost against Rome at Thermoplylae and Magnesia, and lost but later regained areas from Ptolemy IV at Raphia and Panium respectivley. On top of this he returned Parthia and Bactria to his rule.

It really can go either way for the Seleucid player in RS2.

[S.W.A.T]

In a nutshell, you guys pretty much nailed the Seleucid historical position during the RS2 timeframe.

During Antiochus III's reign, the Seleucid empire was poised to go to either way. Its size began huge, he lost most of Asia Minor from two battles lost against Rome at Thermoplylae and Magnesia, and lost but later regained areas from Ptolemy IV at Raphia and Panium respectivley. On top of this he returned Parthia and Bactria to his rule.

It really can go either way for the Seleucid player in RS2.

Well if Antiochus had listened to Hannibal(Who fled to him after Zama) and sent his main army to Greece and not some some "expeditionary force" or listened to Hannibal again and maybe sent an army into Southern Italy, then history might have been different. The fool(Antiochus) instead decides to make Hannibal leader of his....navy!! Something Hannibal admitted was out of his league, he also put his elephants in between his pezhetairoi units at Magnesia. He had every chance to defeat Rome...

But he did I guess reconqueror Parthia, Bactria and Palestine from Ptolemy, even though he lost at Raphia. Just so many missed opportunities for Antiochus III.

[Mulattothrasher]

Well if Antiochus had listened to Hannibal(Who fled to him after Zama) and sent his main army to Greece and not some some "expeditionary force" or listened to Hannibal again and maybe sent an army into Southern Italy, then history might have been different. The fool(Antiochus) instead decides to make Hannibal leader of his....navy!! Something Hannibal admitted was out of his league, he also put his elephants in between his pezhetairoi units at Magnesia. He had every chance to defeat Rome...

But he did I guess reconqueror Parthia, Bactria and Palestine from Ptolemy, even though he lost at Raphia. Just so many missed opportunities for Antiochus III.

Exactly. Years ago when I first read that account, I was all but enraged with Antichous. Make Hannibal an admiral and not general? What was he thinking? Theres the famous question Antiochus asked to Hannibal, asking if his forces would be enough to defeat the Romans. Hannibal replied that it was!

When Hannibal met up with Antiochus he tried to talk Antiochus into invading Greece like you said, then heading for Rome. Hannibal even asked for ships and troops to sail to Carthage and convince them to renew the war against Rome as well. What could have been...

[S.W.A.T]

Exactly. Years ago when I first read that account, I was all but enraged with Antichous. Make Hannibal an admiral and not general? What was he thinking? Theres the famous question Antiochus asked to Hannibal, asking if his forces would be enough to defeat the Romans. Hannibal replied that it was!

When Hannibal met up with Antiochus he tried to talk Antiochus into invading Greece like you said, then heading for Rome. Hannibal even asked for ships and troops to sail to Carthage and convince them to renew the war against Rome as well. What could have been...

I know man, so many chances of history being rewritten and Rome faltering because of one action. To think how everyone knows of Rome and Carthage but when you talk about the Seleucids you get a blank stare...

[Marcus_Vipsanius]

Exactly. Years ago when I first read that account, I was all but enraged with Antichous. Make Hannibal an admiral and not general? What was he thinking? Theres the famous question Antiochus asked to Hannibal, asking if his forces would be enough to defeat the Romans. Hannibal replied that it was!

When Hannibal met up with Antiochus he tried to talk Antiochus into invading Greece like you said, then heading for Rome. Hannibal even asked for ships and troops to sail to Carthage and convince them to renew the war against Rome as well. What could have been...

I think everything in history is "what if..."
Like, if Hitler didn't invade Russia, we would be all speaking German (in europe) ?? This is something for the appropriate forum of course...

[Marcus_Vipsanius]

I want to expand on my own, not defending some collapsing empire.

You don't like something like this?

[Blackshamrock.]

Dude thats scary.

[Erwin Rommel]

THATS AWESOME!!!

i always love last stand scenarios!!!

gets me all fired up!!

hell i;ll take many of them with me!!

[Marcus_Vipsanius]

TSE has a huge empire, defeated Ptolemies, Pontus, Pergamon & Parthia but is now very weak and has internal problem. When I looked at the map I couldn't find any full stack.

[Blackshamrock.]

Don't meen to be smart, But I'm shore if you look around the map more closely you more than likely will come across a full stack. I have not'est that the free people. All there army's are full stacks.

[Bebbe]

I'm pretty sure that he meant the Seleucids.

[Marcus_Vipsanius]

I'm pretty sure that he meant the Seleucids.

I did, TSE is weak and has no full stacks...

[snuggans]

I did, TSE is weak and has no full stacks...

that is very contradictory to the TSE in other mods like XGM, where you literally go through 200 in-game years fighting just them. i was defending the pass to Asia Minor for so long that the place was littered with the heroic victory sword icons. wonder what im going to find in RS when i face them.

[Marcus_Vipsanius]

Well, more than any other faction in RS the Seleucid's are just up-down if you compare each other's campaign. One time they defeat all the other diadochi (like my campaign) the other time they are just a shadow of them.
It might be possible that they have loads of money (didn't check stats) and can field huge armies once I enter their territory. As you can see their empire is huge and pretty peaceful for the moment (not at war with anyone except the free people)
What surprised me is that
1) such a huge empire doesn't send armies to suppress the rebelry.
2) the rebels are not besieging anything.

[Blackshamrock.]

Sorry m8, me bad. I was not reading the post right sorry again.

[foxchan]

HORSE ARCHERS for Seleucid?

would that be too powerful u almost have the troops selection of every type

[rory o'kane]

right, because they did use them. they're not too powerful, if the empire sstarts crumbloing so fast that you've not got enough cash to recruit them! i'm fairly certain they're an AOR unit anyways.

[MarcusTullius]

right, because they did use them. they're not too powerful, if the empire sstarts crumbloing so fast that you've not got enough cash to recruit them! i'm fairly certain they're an AOR unit anyways.

Good point, they wont be able to spam them if the empire starts crumbling

[rory o'kane]

and they won't spam them anyways. if you're a history-oriented guy like me, spawning stack after stack of horse archers as anyone but parthia or Sarmatia would be anathema!
and the AI doesn't like using lots of horse archers because of their crumminess in auto-resolves.