Well if there will be no portugal then portugal will belong to spain or will they be rebels?
Well if there will be no portugal then portugal will belong to spain or will they be rebels?
Good question... maybe because I get tired of senseless bashing Poland by portuguese, because of CA's 12 playable factions policy. And maybe because it's a open topic and everyone can ask here questions concerning Portugal. Honestly I didn't wanted a fight. But it seems that some people have to heavily point out their nationalism in the first possible answer. Sorry if I made this historical research thread gone little off-topic.
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Last edited by Łukomski; February 24, 2009 at 04:23 PM.
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Weak?
1- We started the Age of Discoveries:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_...takes_the_lead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_the_Navigator
2- We established colonies in South America, Africa:
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3- We had the 8th biggest empire by landmass and the 4th biggest maritime empire:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...es#All_empires
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ritime_empires
4- Our people made great discoveries and feats:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasco_da_gama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Alvares_Cabral
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_of_Good_Hope
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartolomeu_Dias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Eanes
That's your opinion now. The fact is that we here in a bad position and that's why we had to start to explore and to expand to Africa, one thing lead to another and we managed to form a great Empire. Lesser peoples would be stuck in the peninsula, we enevated and we used our brains and courage to "boldly go where no man has gone before".
I was just showing some events of our history.
I would advise you to pick a Atlas before saying such nonsense:
The USA are here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:United_States_(orthographic_projection).svg
South America:
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You can see that the USA are in North America and that North America isn't the same continent as South America.
And yes, I said that we had colonies in South America and not North America. Try to read and think carefully before posting to avoid such atrocity.
I'm saying that the Portuguese, the English and the Spanish Empires shaped the world and yes those 3 Empires are more influential and important than the Italiand and France and a infinite number of times more important than countries like Poland.
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First off, I never stated that Portugal was weak, but that your ARGUMENTS were weak..
Secondly, you yourself wrote "the Portuguese, Spanish and English Empires shaped our world. The place now ocuppied by the USA was occupied by those 3 empires in the past."
You clearly said that you had colonies in USA (NA) explain yourself.
i want to show here the size of Portugal, but in XX centuari, when Portugal had already lost Brasil and other colonies,you can also see the size by numbers if you want on the left there are the Portuguese colonies size and some europeans countris size if you want to calculate...
Soory for the size of the map,
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Last edited by Carl von Döbeln; February 25, 2009 at 03:23 AM.
Please, gentlemen! Let's keep the discussion polite. Otherwise, the thread will be closed again. It would be a shame because this thread contains very interesting information.
Why couldn't CA have included Portugal as a playable faction from the start, damnit!
I definitely have no problem with Poland being a playable faction. Watching the second "Superior Tactics" video and seeing the Winged Hussars is quite compelling, and makes me glad they're given importance in the game.
The problem is not including a country as historically important as Portugal who had an empire at the start of a game which ironically is called Empire while Poland did not. It's gross historical injustice.
Last edited by Steel of Fury; February 25, 2009 at 08:50 AM.
take a little time to read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugu...f_the_americas
To inform you guys this is a thread about portugal and her history, not a thread to discuss if Poland is a better playable nation than portugal.
Last edited by Carl von Döbeln; February 25, 2009 at 07:17 AM.
We? Oh man, I had no idea you were that old, zedestroyer
FWIW, Portugal should be playable from the start, and definitely playable in multiplayer... just like all the other factions... but to be honest no faction, except England maybe, will be present in vanilla ETW with any amount of precision. Given CA's track record of abysmal handling of historical accuracy, it's only a matter of time before modders will start their respective <country name> historical accuracy projects. Portugal included.
So I suggest that you start working on that right away, since you seem to have so much knowledge about Portugal's history... Just so that it's you who does something, and not a bunch of folks who dressed funny and spoke a strange version of Portuguese, and who would probably parade you around as a freak were you ever to go back in time and actually meet them
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Hi everybody i have been seeing some threads and I have some new information look at this list that some one found on the demo,
very nice with many Portuguese colonies
I dont undestand this list but another thing is this cool image, that some one found in the demo, after all brasil is in
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Did i say the USA was ours?
You asked for a colony in north america and i gave you one, what did you want more? an unkown civilization?
zedestroyer might have made some inconsistencies and mistakes, for example he didnt mention France.
IMO every country that settled in a previously unknown continent is important no matter how much time they spent there.
France, Spain, Great Britain, Russia, Sweden, Denmark, whatever they are all important, they all left their mark either sucessfully or not.
Stop arguing or the topic will be closed, come on