Portugal - Faction Thread.

[Nicholas H.C]

Well if there will be no portugal then portugal will belong to spain or will they be rebels?

[Łukomski]

then why u post here?

Good question... maybe because I get tired of senseless bashing Poland by portuguese, because of CA's 12 playable factions policy. And maybe because it's a open topic and everyone can ask here questions concerning Portugal. Honestly I didn't wanted a fight. But it seems that some people have to heavily point out their nationalism in the first possible answer. Sorry if I made this historical research thread gone little off-topic.

Keep care and be polite,
with Regards.

[zedestroyer]

I agree that Portugal was stronger and more influentual than Poland during this era, but your arguments are very weak.

Weak?
1- We started the Age of Discoveries:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_...takes_the_lead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_the_Navigator

2- We established colonies in South America, Africa:

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3- We had the 8th biggest empire by landmass and the 4th biggest maritime empire:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...es#All_empires
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ritime_empires

4- Our people made great discoveries and feats:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasco_da_gama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Alvares_Cabral
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_of_Good_Hope
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartolomeu_Dias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Eanes

First off I would love to see Portugal build a colonial empire with a homeland situated in the baltic region instead of the western iberian peninsula (which is a very advantegous position).

That's your opinion now. The fact is that we here in a bad position and that's why we had to start to explore and to expand to Africa, one thing lead to another and we managed to form a great Empire. Lesser peoples would be stuck in the peninsula, we enevated and we used our brains and courage to "boldly go where no man has gone before".

Secondly, I have no idea what a 14th century battle between Portugal and Castile has to do with that fact that Portugal isn't included in the game, if that's how you motivate why Portugal should be in-game then the majority of nations could say the same.

I was just showing some events of our history.

Also, I want to ask, when did Portugal have colonies in modern day USA?

I would advise you to pick a Atlas before saying such nonsense:

The USA are here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:United_States_(orthographic_projection).svg

South America:

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You can see that the USA are in North America and that North America isn't the same continent as South America.

And yes, I said that we had colonies in South America and not North America. Try to read and think carefully before posting to avoid such atrocity.

And at last, are you seriously saying that Portugal had a bigger impact on history than France or the italians?

I'm saying that the Portuguese, the English and the Spanish Empires shaped the world and yes those 3 Empires are more influential and important than the Italiand and France and a infinite number of times more important than countries like Poland.

[jimkatalanos]

Relax now, no more angry debate, no more off topic posts and no more CA bashing. I will close this thread if you continue.

[Empress Meg]

Commenting on moderation policy is considered off-topic. Thread re-opened. Please keep discussion to the HISTORICAL Portugal.

Devoirs The Empress

[arkeologen]

Weak?
1- We started the Age of Discoveries:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_...takes_the_lead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_the_Navigator

2- We established colonies in South America, Africa:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

3- We had the 8th biggest empire by landmass and the 4th biggest maritime empire:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...es#All_empires
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ritime_empires

4- Our people made great discoveries and feats:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasco_da_gama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Alvares_Cabral
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_of_Good_Hope
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartolomeu_Dias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Eanes



That's your opinion now. The fact is that we here in a bad position and that's why we had to start to explore and to expand to Africa, one thing lead to another and we managed to form a great Empire. Lesser peoples would be stuck in the peninsula, we enevated and we used our brains and courage to "boldly go where no man has gone before".


I was just showing some events of our history.


I would advise you to pick a Atlas before saying such nonsense:

The USA are here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:United_States_(orthographic_projection).svg

South America:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You can see that the USA are in North America and that North America isn't the same continent as South America.

And yes, I said that we had colonies in South America and not North America. Try to read and think carefully before posting to avoid such atrocity.


I'm saying that the Portuguese, the English and the Spanish Empires shaped the world and yes those 3 Empires are more influential and important than the Italiand and France and a infinite number of times more important than countries like Poland.

First off, I never stated that Portugal was weak, but that your ARGUMENTS were weak..

Secondly, you yourself wrote "the Portuguese, Spanish and English Empires shaped our world. The place now ocuppied by the USA was occupied by those 3 empires in the past."
You clearly said that you had colonies in USA (NA) explain yourself.

[TheGodfather]

i want to show here the size of Portugal, but in XX centuari, when Portugal had already lost Brasil and other colonies,you can also see the size by numbers if you want on the left there are the Portuguese colonies size and some europeans countris size if you want to calculate...
Soory for the size of the map,

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[Boicote]

Please, gentlemen! Let's keep the discussion polite. Otherwise, the thread will be closed again. It would be a shame because this thread contains very interesting information.

[Steel of Fury]

Why couldn't CA have included Portugal as a playable faction from the start, damnit!

I definitely have no problem with Poland being a playable faction. Watching the second "Superior Tactics" video and seeing the Winged Hussars is quite compelling, and makes me glad they're given importance in the game.

The problem is not including a country as historically important as Portugal who had an empire at the start of a game which ironically is called Empire while Poland did not. It's gross historical injustice.

[Lebre]

F
Secondly, you yourself wrote "the Portuguese, Spanish and English Empires shaped our world. The place now ocuppied by the USA was occupied by those 3 empires in the past."
You clearly said that you had colonies in USA (NA) explain yourself.

take a little time to read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugu...f_the_americas

[Carl von Döbeln]

To inform you guys this is a thread about portugal and her history, not a thread to discuss if Poland is a better playable nation than portugal.

[Visitor13]

Weak?
1- We started the Age of Discoveries:

We? Oh man, I had no idea you were that old, zedestroyer

FWIW, Portugal should be playable from the start, and definitely playable in multiplayer... just like all the other factions... but to be honest no faction, except England maybe, will be present in vanilla ETW with any amount of precision. Given CA's track record of abysmal handling of historical accuracy, it's only a matter of time before modders will start their respective <country name> historical accuracy projects. Portugal included.


So I suggest that you start working on that right away, since you seem to have so much knowledge about Portugal's history... Just so that it's you who does something, and not a bunch of folks who dressed funny and spoke a strange version of Portuguese, and who would probably parade you around as a freak were you ever to go back in time and actually meet them

[TheGodfather]

Hi everybody i have been seeing some threads and I have some new information look at this list that some one found on the demo,

very nice with many Portuguese colonies

Regions: Some If not all

Angola-->
Burkina Faso-->
Burundi-->
Benin-->
Botswana-->
DR Congo-->
Central African Republic-->
Congo-->
Cote d'Ivoire-->
Cameroon-->
Djibouti-->
Algeria-->
egypt-->
Western Sahara-->
Eritrea-->
Ethiopia-->
Gabon-->
Ghana-->
Gambia-->
Guinea-->
Equatorial Guinea-->
Guinea-Bissau-->
Kenya-->
Liberia-->
Lesotho-->
morocco-->
Madagascar-->
Mali-->
Mauritania-->
Mauritius-->
Malawi-->
Mozambique-->
Namibia-->
Niger-->
Nigeria-->
Rwanda-->
Seychelles-->
Sudan-->
Sierra Leone-->
Senegal-->
Somalia-->
Swaziland-->
Chad-->
Togo-->
Tunisia-->
Tonga-->
Tanzania-->
Uganda-->
Yemen-->
south africa-->
Zambia-->
Zimbabwe-->
Armenia-->
Azerbaijan--> hehe
Belarus-->
Georgia-->
Ukraine-->
Bangladesh-->
Bhutan-->
Hong Kong-->
Kyrgyzstan-->
Cambodia-->
Korea, Democratic People's Republic of-->
korean republic-->
Kazakhstan-->
Laos-->
Sri Lanka-->
Myanmar-->
Mongolia-->
Macao-->
Maldives-->
Nepal-->
Pakistan-->
Singapore-->
Thailand-->
Tajikistan-->
Turkmenistan-->
Uzbekistan-->
taiwan-->
VietNam-->
United Arab Emirates-->
afghanistan-->
Bahrain-->
Iraq-->
Iran-->
Israel-->
Jordan-->
Kuwait-->
Lebanon-->
Libya-->
Oman-->
Qatar-->
saudi arabia-->
Syria-->
Turkey-->
Greenland-->
australia-->
Fiji-->
Indonesia-->
Malaysia-->
New Zealand-->
Papua New Guinea-->
Philippines-->
Solomon Islands-->
Timor-Leste-->
tuvalu-->
US virgin islands-->
Samoa-->
argentina-->
Bolivia-->
brazil-->
Belize-->
Chile-->
Colombia-->
Costa Rica-->
Cuba-->
Dominican Republic-->
Ecuador-->
Falkland Islands (Malvinas)-->
French Guiana-->
Guadeloupe-->
Guatemala-->
Guyana-->
Honduras-->
Haiti-->
amaica-->
mexico-->
Nicaragua-->
Panama-->
Peru-->
Puerto Rico-->
Paraguay-->
Suriname-->
El Salvador-->
Uruguay-->
Venezuela-->
Albania-->
austria-->
bosnia hertzegovina-->
bulgaria-->
switzerland-->
Cyprus-->
Czech Republic-->
estonia-->
espana-->
Faroe Islands-->
Guernsey-->
Gibraltar-->
croatia-->
Hungary-->
Ireland-->
Isle of Man-->
Iceland-->
Jersey-->
Liechtenstein-->
Lithuania-->
Latvia-->
Monaco-->
Moldova-->
Montenegro-->
Macedonia-->
Malta-->
Poland-->
Romania-->
Serbia-->
Sweden-->
Slovenia-->
Slovakia-->
San Marino-->
Vatican-->

I dont undestand this list but another thing is this cool image, that some one found in the demo, after all brasil is in

I'm not sure if this is the right place to tell or if it is widely known already... But there were some interesting maps in the demo...

I've combined them in one image:

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[Squid]

Any further offtopic posts will be infracted, 3 warnings that haven't been heeded is enough.

[arkeologen]

take a little time to read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugu...f_the_americas

A colony in north america lasting 5 years? well I would'nt count that in.
Sweden had a colony there for 17 years, but I don't go around saying that USA were ours, the ones having important colonies in modern day USA were Spain, France and Britain, not Portugal.

[Lebre]

Did i say the USA was ours?
You asked for a colony in north america and i gave you one, what did you want more? an unkown civilization?
zedestroyer might have made some inconsistencies and mistakes, for example he didnt mention France.
IMO every country that settled in a previously unknown continent is important no matter how much time they spent there.
France, Spain, Great Britain, Russia, Sweden, Denmark, whatever they are all important, they all left their mark either sucessfully or not.

[arkeologen]

Did i say the USA was ours?
You asked for a colony in north america and i gave you one, what did you want more? an unkown civilization?
zedestroyer might have made some inconsistencies and mistakes, for example he didnt mention France.
IMO every country that settled in a previously unknown continent is important no matter how much time they spent there.
France, Spain, Great Britain, Russia, Sweden, Denmark, whatever they are all important, they all left their mark either sucessfully or not.

At least you gave me an answer, no need to be rude for that eh?

The other guy asked me to pick up an atlas when I questioned him, as if I had stated that you had colonies there.
Ah well.

[Lebre]

But you now know 'we' had colonies there correct?

independently of the time it stood there it was still a colony

[TheGodfather]

Stop arguing or the topic will be closed, come on

[Lebre]

we are not arguing
we are simply discussing a small mistake made