If i could mod...

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

With kingdoms I've been thinking about how M2TW could be improved, and using CAE as a base here is what I would do:

Map

Fix america so it lines up right (so Britain is opposite New York, not Florida )

Remove the Atlantic as a territory (it is, this is how the uncrossable sea is achieved).

Allow all ships to cross the Atlanic (the vikings were there in the early 1000s so why not everyone else) this would mean that the AI would go there

Factions

Remove Kawarzem (it does nothing... ever!)

Add Norway, Maya and the Apachalian tribes

Replace the Russian Principalities with Novgorod (they look better, Lithuania look the same... half the time i though Lithuanian agents were mine )
Units

Replace the roster for KoJ, the Teutonic order, Lithuania, Aztecs, Byzantium, Egypt and the Seljuk turks.

Give the Mesoamericans the ability to build canoes as there first boats, and if they destroy 4 European boats they can build their own. (as the Apache can with guns and boats)

Random

ZoR for Crusader Kingdom knights and units.. in antioch you can build Antioch kights, in Edessa you can build Edessan guard etc etc

the Crusader Order guilds should be able to build the full rosters of there order... (so if you can get a Hospitalier headquarters you can get hospilater gunners)

Just my thoughts, i might add more.

I posted this here cause i love this mod, and i would use this mod as a basis for my improvements

[Ataegina]

I've defending the Norway on map

also fix america would require few mapping skills but its possible!!

also this lack of accuracy on america map shows one of many flaws of CA on this game (of total war series).

also i'm trying make my own teutonic campaign for cae using few factions but with huge map ( covers from iceland to novgorod and expands to north covering allmost all scandivania)

you can change easy the sea (map_ground_types) there you can see dark red for deep sea and regular red for less deep sea , you just need change it for the zones you want allow ships be able ....

but you're welcome with your suggestions, ambition requests

[Eranshahr]

Yeah Khwarezm does nothing on your map because I guess you don't have any add-on. so they are locked in Tabriz inprisoned by ottomans and abbasids. But then if they have a rebel province, theys tart to expand fast.
Which have been seen in my own game.

I am totally against removing Khwarezm or any other faction, and Zeph, please Never, ever add another American faction.

The rest, well we are going to have Sweden. But I have nothing against Norway too. And good suggestions ( except Khwarezm thing)

[Ataegina]

well for you its only those two factions....... over and over again.......

even you dont' have any valid arguments for both, one its a poor divided country on m2tw timeframe, another didn't do nothing important..... also you don't own cae to demand or say what zeph must do or not , learn to respect another people opinions!

also i share same points of view of @Modern Life is Rubbish , a more enlarged view.

anyway this discussion is dead for me, its pointless !!

[Eranshahr]

When you face any setbacks or when people argue against your opinion you start to get all cranky and agry. My discussion here was that Khwarezm shouldn't be removede from the game, but have alos said that I respect all desicions zeph do haven't I?

hmm I don't say add my province, i say that if he wants to add them he can, but then you get jeaulous or stupid or what? Besides I thhink I mentioned a while ago I don't care which teh last faction si going to be, I even said it isn't that important to add one.

I say add Aragon if you want, you get mad and start accusing me. I say Sweden might be a good faction, then you feel like I am insulting norway. Hey Norway was more or less pointless during the whole period because they did nothing adn then fell under Danish rule.

Khwarezm did a lot and waged wars against mongols, the Abbasids were their vassals and the turks were somekind of nemesis.

So where does Norway fit in here? in your brain that can't take any anti-you world statements.

You say i should respect other people's opinions, ok I said " I like the suggestions you have ( except teh Khwarezmian thing)" I basically suppoted all but one thing. But then you come here and start accusing me for sooooo many things.

Now read what you wrote and then come and say that to me again. It is time you start understanding what the sentence " respect other peoples opinions" means and then please start doing that yourself.

[Eranshahr]

Here read some basic information if you don't trust me
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khwarezmian_Empire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khwarezm
http://www.allempires.com/article/in...zm_shah_empire

and then Sweden.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Swedish_history

Yes the country was christianized late. But still sent crusades against Finland.
Still fought wars against Denmark, Germany, Poland and the Russians. And they still got more or less good friends wit the Teutonic order. And then they still had diplomatical disputes with the Spanish and Portugese. close friends to Turks and other Islamic states. Managed to free themselves from teh Kalmar Union atleast 100 years before the game ends and remained free. That the union was created in Kalmar ( A swedish city) gives Sweden even more political importance.

Now have I made clear arguments to why those two are good factions? now if you want to please give me two good reasons to throw khwarezm away and scrap Sweden from norway?


And the most important part, I am not sure. but I think this mod was more focused on gameplay than historical accurance. Of course it is historical too, but again. if it wasn't for gameplay then there wouldn't be a Teutonic, Crusader, Khwarezmian or Wallachian faction in the game.

[Ataegina]

jelous of what ??? thats a joke ????

have you seem me beg for sth ??? you're who seems be in a competition, you don't accept any opinions, and i'm not talking about me, but theres a few examples of people wich you make the pissed off......

setbacks of what ??? because somebody agrees with me and you arrive and "oh no don't do, never never" !

by your nationalism, i dont have nothing against sweden, also I ALWAYS SAID we should look at timeframe, and on this time frame sweden isnt the best option, but on later periods yes, 16-18 century for example.

also if you insult somebody look at what you've been done just for while, also make another people less confortable, for my side i've support people and help, not make them down!

also you're acusing me by jelousy (explain) by stupid (why) ? i've differene point of view ACEPT IT !

also let me explain for the 1000000000000000x :

factions become more or less important not by religion, but by manpower, economy and territorial size, on this stage denmark and norway are cleary more advanced than sweden, manpower,lands etc

also argument of pope , there NONE faction wich have never get issues with the pope, kinda hard !!

also i've read but i'm not who is angry, also you're who insult people, i simply show my point of view "jelous,stupid" , well show me something i said wich shows sth like it ?

also you don't need repeat what i said, also ill not make it personal, i'm not starting yell or call names, thats not healthy for this community!!

well for you its only those two factions....... over and over again.......

even you dont' have any valid arguments for both, one its a poor divided country on m2tw timeframe, another didn't do nothing important..... also you don't own cae to demand or say what zeph must do or not , learn to respect another people opinions!

also i share same points of view of @Modern Life is Rubbish , a more enlarged view.

anyway this discussion is dead for me, its pointless !!

very offensive, right ???

now who is acting stupid ???


to end, i'm not offended by insult norway, i insult this country every day, even the royal family !

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

Look, I'm not saying Kawarzem are unimportant historically, because they certainly weren't (but if they remain the Timurids should spawn next to it/in it), however in CAE they don't seem to do anything... they are ignored by all the other factions, and bypassed by the Mongols, It seems quite pointless (gameplay wise) to use a faction slot for what is effectively the CAE version of Switzerland.

I chose norway because it is easy to add in and at that time was a great naval power with colonies in Iceland, Greenland and America. Furthermore they had only just been defeated England and still maintained positions in northern Scotland, as well as in Ireland.

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Norway in 1020.

The Norse also attack Byzantium some time around 1000 and many of there men served in the Varangian guard.

The problem with Khawarezm is that the majority of its territory is not on the map... even in Europa Barbourm (the best RTW mod IMO) doesn't include India dispite having Indian territories because it would be hevily imbalanced, and would not reflect there true military might, Khawarezem can stay IF you could script it so that they get renforcments every so often.

My final reason for Norway is that it M2TW is a Christian based game... all of the factions in vanilla bar 6 are Christian. The game is set up for Christian nations, if you want a game for Muslim nations wait for Broken crescent (which looks dam good btw).

[Eranshahr]

Insane nationalism?

So when i say my opinions about Sweden and Khwarezm that is nationalistic, it isn't my opinion anymore because it is sadly where I orignate from and where I live today. Then all the status of opinion dissapears and it turns out to be nationalism. Didn't I say that Norway is fine too and so is Sweden and Khwarezm? a while ago i suggested Norway and Sweden, then nobody complained about me being nationalist? and when I list up a lot of information and give good reasons to why we need Sweden then I am nationalistic again.

I do accept all opinions, but then those who give opinions must also accept that maybe I don't agree with all of them. and in this case I didn't agree with Khwarezm and the opinion I added was that we already have Sweden, but NOrway is fine to. Not even an opinion it is a statement which is neither nationalistic nor offensive.

and then again, can you please proove to me that Norway is a better option then Sweden, or any other faction in Europe which isn't located in the eastern parts of the map, then be my guest. all I can think of is Aragon to the west, because neither Ireland nor Flandern had any greater importance.

again, Sweden was larger than Denmark and Norway during this period when talking about size of the country.

Sweden had a larger population than Norway during the whole period.

Sweden waged more wars than Norway and won more wars than Norway, Sending crusades is a good reason and a proof to waht I said.

Sweden was more involved with diplomacy at a larger distance than Norway, especially trade and disputes with Middle eastern and Iberan nations.

Sweden was in the Kalmar union, broke free and from that date onwards Sweden started to become the Strongest faction in Northers Europe.

So now, I maybe say things, ok sorry for that. But you come from nowhere, and start saying stuff, maybe they aren't meant as insults, but in one way they turn to be like that, and the way you acted was not the polite version of it. Saying I can't accept other people´s opinions, Saying I am all about two factions of the game and that I can't respect others. Those are insults too and maybe you didn't know that or maybe you did, but then again, all that you said that I can't do and do, You are making that yourself.

So please tell me I am nationalist. If it is nationalistic to want your own country in the mod, because you think it would be a good option for the east and the 500 turn rebel scaninavian peninsula. Then yes I am ultra-nationalist, except I don't say we should kill others.

Besides all those who say they want Ireland, Serbia or Aragon. I am pretty sure most of them are Irish/british, Yugoslav, or Iberan themselves.

[Eranshahr]

Look even if the game is for Christian factions, then why are there 5 muslim factions in the vanilla? And if all is going to be historically correct and the areas are goign to be in Europe and once again if it isn't a mod for gameplay, then why are there a teutonic, Wallachian, Lithuanian, Abbasid, Khwarezmian and Crusader state? because none of these goes into the two categories of " Christian" and " Historically correct"

and then again MLIR, Sweden is a christian faction too. And was independant in 1080 as a union of several smaller states ruled by one king. And Swden became more and more important for every decade that passed. While Norwegian power decrased and fell at last for every decade that passed too.

And if you want this to be Europe centered mod, and to follow the current regions of the mod. then Norway isn't a good choice either, Because Norway conquered Iceland, Greenland and some parts of America. And that was before 1080, and those were all gone by 1080 too.
The map you posted was from 1020. and then 1396 Norway dissapeared as a sovereign country and then was recreated 1905.

Sweden dissappeared in about 40-50 years, was recreated and started to wage wars. The game can't always be about historical importance and how correct it is.

Don't you like playing any of the new factions that Zeph has added into the game? Because, And Zeph I hope I am not insulting you. 4 of these were created long after the game started. MOngols weren't in Europe by 1080. Abbasids were vassals of the Seljuks. So Lithuania are left to be the sole faction that is 100% historically correct, and Lithuania was having the same problems as Sweden, it was just a union of some small states. in fact Lithuania was doing worse than Sweden was.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

I had a good Abbasid campaign and enjoyed a Tuetonic one.

But having the mongols start in Europe really imbalances the East, as the steamrole Novgorod.

Novgorod lost much of its power in 1397, and yet it is in the mod. the teutonic order was defeated in 1410, the kingdom of Jerusalem was destroyed in 1291, nearly 100 years before Norway, Norman Sicily lasted till 1282, even shorter. The last Moorish City became a vassal of Castile in 1236, so you argument of it didn't last very long is none-existant.

Sorry if i didn't appear polite at first, i editied my post virtually as soon as i posted it to remove the nationalist 'insult', sorry if you took it as one.

I am looking at it from a gameplay/history view, more emphasis on the gameplay... but history still matters alot.

[Ataegina]

well at least we start agree with something, on this case we should start the mod in 1095-99 (at first crusade).

seems obvious we're all being nationalistic, also theres alot of christian factions not only two as the majority of people think, in middle-east theres small christian faction wich rome wish never get knowed aka "heretics" by the pope.

well norway haven't disapeared, a union doesn't mean the end look at examples like : spain + portugal , austria + hungary , england + scotland etc etc etc union by interested not by conquer, not denmark not sweden ahve conquered norway by militar force !

however i've played mamluks, they've quite nice units, but a thing i never see in cae was "where is saladin" ???

also those lands have not be gone at 1080 !! THATS TOTALY WRONG , only at kalmar union norway have give some lands to the scotish king and during the union denmark was who have controled the lands

also they've never conquer parts of america they've tried make settlements without sucess, some people says coz the distance of homeland, supplies,natives attack wich they're outnumbered...etc etc

so to end this without insult nobody ill choose aragon to show i'm not nationalist with majority of people choose ill acept !

btw this is sweden as 12 century:



also sweden isn't a new faction, regions & provinces mod have sweden also !! but theres 0 with norway !

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

I'm not Norwegian... I'm Irish/British.

The Norse had settlements in North America for several years until they were destroyed/abandoned and the Norse from Greenland took wood from Vinland so it was frequented often by the Norse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Anse_aux_Meadows

link

[Ataegina]

yes i know that

but thats was more a trade post, when i mean own land i mean a real colony , village, etc etc

they've been at max 3-4 months only , theories show they've not resist to attacks and to extreme weather, so not being permanent settlement so thats why i said that, but yes its true they've been there

yes they took from there, also because greenland lacks in stuff and after their lands started not be good and the lil ice-age. also greenland was just stones,ice !! but rich of natural resources

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

still, it could be used as settlement in Canada, so we don't have to go looking for Native villages and there names which are kinda unpronounceable.

[Ataegina]

still, it could be used as settlement in Canada, so we don't have to go looking for Native villages and there names which are kinda unpronounceable.

well ill not reply anymore to this thread since each time norway idea for faction comes out this becomes offensive to some people.

also as you see also with all proves nobody wants acept it (norway as faction) so for now i'm on kingdoms at least some true knowlegde !!

[Eranshahr]

once again he starts.

if you are trying to indirectly blame me for hatred towards Norway then you have gotten some wrong information.

I cleary said, in the past and in the present and I will do that in the future. Sweden AND NORWAY are two GOOD faction to ADD in the GAME!

But then once again, I blamed for being nationalistic, when you Ataegina are just the same about Norway, you want to add Norway am I right?

now to direct this against yourself:
Stop being so nationalistic!

[Ataegina]

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

i'm nationalist and you don't ???

read your posts, and numerous topics here and out of cae and also in a few you've admited it !

the time you spent make me "nationalistic" and acusing me, look around and see how many people you've pissed off and never have returned here!

you've always defend the inverse "never but never add norway" but i don't really care if this comes true.

[Eranshahr]

What I am saying is taht you simply can't tell em I am nationalistic, when you are just the same.

I have admitted SEVERAL times that I am a bit nationalistic, and I have given reasons for why, but when i say that I want sweden in the game is that nationalistic? i give several reasons to why and that is nationalistic?

Remember this started when YOU said that I am all about two factions and accused me for several otehr things, jsut because I said we already are going to add Sweden.

Piss them off and they won't return? that is not my problem, hmm the only one I can remember I once pissed off was Bleda, and he is still around here.

if Zeph wants to he will add Norway ok?
if Zeph doesn't want to he wont add Sweden ok?

I am a Persian Swede and I am soo damn proud of it and there is nothing anyone can do to change how I think, call me nationalistst, racist, patriotist, Nazi, anti-semite all those statements are false but call me whatever you want I will always stay Persian and I will always stay Swede!

Do you have problems? visit a psychiatrist!

[Ataegina]

lol this is funny, read what you've wrote and tell me who needs make a visit , also i problems ? not really, but again we're watching who is offensive , oh let me start a list "i'm nationalist,i'm jelous, i'm stupid, i need psychiatrist" wooooow i'm curious wich ill be the next !!

ILL WROTE IN CAPS FOR YOU UNDERSTAND, i don't care if this ill be added or not, also i don't give a **** for your flaming comments, you're who need paid a visit, also you've problems with another people comments, this is democracy not dictatorship, if you just want your ideas for a mod, so make YOUR OWN MOD !! and let people give suggestions !

also if you're here to insult me for don't send PM's asking for help, i don't spent time working for this!