Should the police really be run by the government?

[mongoose]

Many of you are probably thinking that I'm either stupid or crazy for saying this. But let's consider the facts:

-Government run industries are inefficient, have very little competition, and are usually bloated and corrupt compared to private business.

-Private security companies already exist and sometimes are very competent.

-Making people pay for a service that they might not ever need or want is socialistic.

Of course, there would need to be some government regualtion for this to work, but that's still no excuse to have some bureaucrat deciding every aspect of how the law enforcement agencies should operate.

[Gary88]

how in gods name would that work!

[mongoose]

Having the government steal people's money and tell them that they know how to run their security is immoral and I won't stand for it. The government police are like a giant army of blue-coated nannies with guns, telling us how to live our lives, when we can speed, where we can park, who we can assault, est. The glorious people's free market will rise against the socialist oppressors, and take revenge against them. The capitalist controller will punish you for your crimes, traitor. referencing Drak here, for those of us who remember him

[Gary88]

a giant army of blue-coated nannies with guns

oh...i see

[Evolution]

Britain is already turning into a police state my friend.

Soon we will all be on their DNA Data base.

Youths are now packing guns and killing people just so they may enter a gang.

You hear about those adults who get put in to prison for showing those kids who are boss? I am one of them .

Their are now MORE armed police on our streets than ever.

If David Cameron is elected as prime minister then our country will turn into an outlaw country.

[molonthegreat]

And big companies could do it better? i wonder what would happen if coca-cola and pepsi had different police forces what would stop them from trying to control the market? and what would prevent big companies with huge police forces from revoltíng?

[mongoose]

And big companies could do it better? i wonder what would happen if coca-cola and pepsi had different police forces what would stop them from trying to control the market? and what would prevent big companies with huge police forces from revoltíng?

First of all, you're clearly a liberal socialist, and therefore, you're wrong. Second of all, the big companies would keep each other in check because they would fear each other too much to risk war. My plan would work even better if we privatized the national nuclear arsenal.

[Gary88]

First of all, you're clearly a liberal socialist, and therefore, you're wrong.

well there goes any meaningful debate.

is this thread a joke, you want to privatise nuclear weapons?

[Kiljan Arslan]

And big companies could do it better? i wonder what would happen if coca-cola and pepsi had different police forces what would stop them from trying to control the market? and what would prevent big companies with huge police forces from revoltíng?

Actually that happen is a book called Jennifer Goverment.

[Kiljan Arslan]

First of all, you're clearly a liberal socialist, and therefore, you're wrong. Second of all, the big companies would keep each other in check because they would fear each other too much to risk war. My plan would work even better if we privatized the national nuclear arsenal.

Really just because someone had a differing point of veiw means their wrong? Well you do have QUITE an opinion of yourself!

[molonthegreat]

First of all, you're clearly a liberal socialist, and therefore, you're wrong. Second of all, the big companies would keep each other in check because they would fear each other too much to risk war. My plan would work even better if we privatized the national nuclear arsenal.

Im not a liberal socialist i actually consider my self a conservatist(by european standards) and that would be disasterous for the economy because the big companies would control the market with their police forces and no innovation would come to the market.

[Trax]

Private security companies already exist and sometimes are very competent

Security companies are a joke, most of the people working there are either too stupid or to lazy to get a real job, this statement is based on personal experience BTW. I belong to the "too lazy" category myself.

[The Super Pope]

Either this is tongue-in-cheek or the op doesn't understand how much worse private contracters are (Mitie and Enterprise for starters)

[Ummagumma]

Anyone remember the group 4 fiasco?

[Valentin the II]

First of all, you're clearly a liberal socialist, and therefore, you're wrong. Second of all, the big companies would keep each other in check because they would fear each other too much to risk war. My plan would work even better if we privatized the national nuclear arsenal.

Extremism FTW!
What about all the small companies?
And what about rapists and serial killers? Who will go after them?
And what about emergances (they cant help people that dont pay)?

I can emagin it now: a policeman watching a man beat to death by thugs, but not moving a finger. The man didnt have insurance.

[The Super Pope]

There was an actual case where that happened with a real copper. I forget the name but it was in the 1980s

[Evolution]

Police state, Got my Vote

1. Reason 1 is most of what i said before and alot of other reasons.

2. Reason 2 is because in Civilization 4 it decreases the amount of Hate when you go to war

[mongoose]

Really just because someone had a differing point of veiw means their wrong? Well you do have QUITE an opinion of yourself!

QUITE an opinion of the truth, you mean.

Extremism FTW!

Only if you think that the truth is extreme, which it totally is. EXTREME!

What about all the small companies?
And what about rapists and serial killers? Who will go after them?
And what about emergances (they cant help people that dont pay)?

The owners of those companies will understand that helping people just for the sake of helping people will benefit them indirectly. People who can't pay have only themselves to blame. Besides, it could simply be a law that these corporations have to help people first, and then charge them second. That way, those who can not afford protection will simply have to choose between bankruptcy or death. If they had a debt to fulfill, they would simply work for who ever saved them until it was payed off.

Im not a liberal socialist i actually consider my self a conservatist(by european standards) and that would be disasterous for the economy because the big companies would control the market with their police forces and no innovation would come to the market.

Oh, great, you're not just a commie, you're also a EUROCOMMIE!!!!1!1!! The market would be divided between these companies, so there would be no monopolies. And they would all have so many weapons that anyone who got too close to monopoly status would be ganged up on and destroyed.

is this thread a joke, you want to privatise nuclear weapons?

The only joke here, Gary, is your hatred of America, freedom, liberty, and everything that they stand for. Let me get this straight; the government is supposed to be able to take the people's money, build weapons with it, and we're never going to actually get to have any say? Of course the nuclear weapons should be freedomized! The production, storage, and use of nuclear material is something that the government should leave to private companies. For instance, did you know that recently, because of the government's freedom-hating ways, a B-52 flew a bunch of war heads across the U.S. BY MISTAKE! I think that it's pretty clear that it's time to let a private business pick up where the government has, yet again, failed horribly.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070905...ilitarynuclear

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

This isn't really tongue-in-cheek or sarcasm, it's more like Devil's advocate.

[molonthegreat]

market would be divided between these companies, so there would be no monopolies. And they would all have so many weapons that anyone who got too close to monopoly status would be ganged up on and destroyed.

but what if some big corporations should gang up and crush all the smaller corporations?

[mongoose]

I have thought of that. My opinion is that if the smaller companies aren't competitive enough to keep up, they deserve to be crushed.