I'm actually looking forward to playing with a ton of different Native American units more than any faction in Empire. What about you guys? Good horsemen, lots of different tribes warriors. Lots of melee units, long rifles, assassins, bow men.
I'm actually looking forward to playing with a ton of different Native American units more than any faction in Empire. What about you guys? Good horsemen, lots of different tribes warriors. Lots of melee units, long rifles, assassins, bow men.
It would be a cool feature if Native American armies were invisible right up until they were only a short distance from your settlement/army stack to represent the nature of guerilla warfare at the time.
They should also be excellent path finders and move really fast with long distances to represent their knowledge of the land and conversely european armies should move really slowly in unexplored regions
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I'm not sure. I just don't think, historically, these type of nations/tribes/whatever you want to call them lend themselves well to TW gameplay. I'm far from an expert but from what I know they weren't exactly the meet in a field and fight in formations sort.
No they weren't, but they were definately the ambush your expeditionary force, scalp everybody and send the bodies floating back down stream sort!
You're right tho it will be hard for CA to represent the culture given their nomadic nature, maybe they could have moving settlements? It would make sense historically ie. Tribes driven from their ancestral homeland and forced to fight other tribes for terriroty, maybe in a similar way to how hordes worked in RTW:BI?
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The natives should be given the option to change from there nomadic ways to more of a stationary society. Then maybe their tech tree can have more western like options like a gunsmith
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i like the idea of a moving settlement but how economy will be?
And how about the devestation cause by European disease? Thats what REALLY got the Natives - the Black Plague did to the Americas what it did to Europe a few centuries ago didn't it? To think if the situation reversed, if Natives somehow developed fleets, went to Europe, and spread some deadly American disease(say mosquitoes with Malaria, somehow someway). Now whose colonized?
The guys who slaughtered Native Americans? No one really holds the moral high ground here. But I can see why it would be complicated to have them as a faction, but I'd include them as rebel raiders and both nomadic and semi-nomadic tribes with some villages and they should have a wide array of mercenary warriors for hire, they should be expert guerilla wariors and horsemen.The guys who slaughtered english settlers. No thanks.
Actually i would like to fight the native americans, as the english we had some good fights.
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The Iroquois Confederacy should definitely be a faction.
They were very close to European culture by the 18th century - right down to using European architecture in their towns, mastering firearms and some of their more important figures even visited England.
It'd be nice if they included more diverse battle options that would allow for real guerilla warfare and raiding. This would need to be represented on the strat map also via some sort of "invisible" stacks if you have less than X warriors. Though it could be a challenge. But the idea of having line warfare against native americans.. seems a bit odd.
Maybe they could make it make it into the new engine. Kinda how Peasants and other units in RTW formed a horde formation, the Native Americans could have a formation where they hide in the trees. They could fire from the trees, but not be seen from above the canopy. They would also receive a defense bonus from hiding behind trees whilst firing.
Perhaps they could also get a special ability that they can sneak through the forest and not be seen until they open fire or another unit runs into them.
Line formations just wouldn't do. This would also be a good idea for many of the militia units the Americans have. Perhaps a few other countries could get units with this ability, Coureur de Bois Militia for France, Jaegers for the Prussians/Hessians. I am not sure what the British would use.
You can achieve something like a non-line formation with enough spacing and untrained quality (training only effects the neatness of a formation). Not quite enough, so I agree that a non line shaped formation would be great.
Natives should get musket sniper units or scermeshers. and very high attack melee units with a moderate defense
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