Some things ive noticed...

[HBI]

This mod is really great, i could crush Spartacus or capture Jerusalem with Pompey the Great all day. However i have noticed a thing or two, real nitpicky here.

In your starting legions all seem to possess gallic auxilia units. I don't know how common Gauls were at this time in the armies since only the Province had been taken. I was under the impression that Italians and Numidians were the most common auxiliary troops during this time period.

Second those cities which contain an evocati building seem to be sort of randomly placed, the description says that they are only in places that were founded as roman military colonies, but why isnt there one in Narbo? Which i know for sure is a colony.

[bucellarii]

I am glad you are enjoying the Mod

Regarding your feedback during our period auxilia forces were largely comprised of local indigenous troops raised for a specific campaigns before being discharged again upon completion.

For example Roman forces on campaign in Hispania would tend to use Spanish horse and light infantry whilst those fighting in the east would rely on native levies formed in that part of the world.

Only rarely would auxilia forces be deployed overseas, although this became more regular as the century progressed.

Exceptions to the above might be found among the Numidian specialist light horse or the archers of Crete.

Following the Social War Italians of course enjoyed the franchise and they were therefore eligible for service in the legions.

I cannot remember which settlements Salvor decided to allocate evocati recruitment. In our period however the overwhelming majority of discharged veterans were settled on land in Italy i.e. by the grants made in such regions as Etruria and Campania. Overseas veteran settlement was rare until accelerated by Caesar and then later Octavian.

You are correct to describe Narbo as a coloniae civium Romanorum . The numbers settled here were small though and not necessarily material before Caesar.

I therefore don't think evocati recruitment in 77 BC is random. The problem is that only Salvor can tell you exactly what settlements he selected

Hope this helps...

[HBI]

I forgot about the Italians getting citizenship in the Social War. However the Roman Provence in Gaul was unhappy and in 60 BC the Allobroges tribe rebelled, thus i doubt there were too many Gauls at this point serving as auxilia at least until Caesar comes along when Gallic units became common.

I agree that local forces were much more often employed, however Numidians were commonly used as light cavalry in overseas campaigns first by the Carthaginians and later by the Romans. I read that Tiberius Gracchus used them in the campaigns against the Spanish with good effect.

As for the Evocati there is a recruitment building in Gades, Tarragona, Etruria, Campania, Sinope, and Thapsus. There isn't one in Rome however and i would think this would be a likely place to have one with so many of Sulla's disgruntled veterans hanging about. Farming isn't soldiers work...

One more thing, Pompey raised a number of legions in Spain in 65 BC, the 4th-9th i believe. Shouldn't there be legion recruitment at least in Farther Spain at the start of the campaign?

Btw how long does it take for a unit of Evocati to appear?

[Salvor Hardin]

HBI, you have raised some interesting points in your posts. Concerning Auxillia units, I must say that I chose amongst the existing ones in RTR and tried to place them in the regions they were close to. So you have Numidians in Africa, Spanish troops in Spain and so on. The greatest number are Gallic troops just because the Roman legions at the start of the campaign were near Gaul and I supposed that Pompey would have recruited some Gallic troops while land traveling to Spain. But you are right in that perhaps I put too many Gallic units in the starting Roman armies.

Concerning the Evocati, I think that Narbo was in Bucellarii's initial list along with some other settlements but, as I wanted to make this unit somehow unique, I had to reduce the list a bit and leave some representative settlements for every region. The condition for the appearance of the Evocati unit is that the settlement is loyal (i.e. has a "green face) and depends on a random percent, which is currently the 8%.

Concerning the recruitment of legions in Spain, although some authors (for instance, Dando-Collins) support this idea, I think that there are no solid arguments in the Classic authors that can confirm this point. Nevertheless, I think that Bucellarii can elaborate this subject with more detail.

Thanks a lot for your feedback and ideas.

[HBI]

I've read Caesar's Legion by Dando-Collins, and i just did a little research of my own and concluded that there is no ancient evidence to support the mass recruitment of legions in spain, however i think it's safe to say that at least the 8th-10th were raised there between 65-61BC. The 8th and 9th were stationed at Cordobla when Caesar raised the 10th for his campaigns in Lusitania.

Thanks for the note on Evocati recruitment i'll be sure to keep those settlements loyal.

[misplacedgeneral]

Evocati? Are those the 'army recruitment' units?

[Empedocles]

nope. Evocati were the reenlisted veterans that fought in the civil wars of the falling republic.
here is a wiki link. If you have any thoughts I'm sure some of the historians will reply your questions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evocati

regards

[bucellarii]

8th-10th were raised there between 65-61BC. The 8th and 9th were stationed at Cordobla when Caesar raised the 10th for his campaigns in Lusitania.

What sources do you have for this buddy?

The primary sources are largely silent about the matter. All we have is Plutarch:

"At any rate, as soon as he reached Spain he set himself to work, and in a few days raised ten cohorts in addition to the twenty which were there before. Then he led his army against the Callaici and Lusitani, overpowered them, and marched on as far as the outer sea, subduing their tribes which before were not obedient to Rome"

Plut.Caes. 12.1

Domaszewski conjectures these were legions VII and VIII but there is no widespread consensus for this view. The ten cohorts raised by Caesar are more likely to represent a legio vernacula than Legio X.

[HBI]

I would bet that the 10th was a legion of local provincials rather than a legion of full roman citizens. Caesar raised the 11th and 12th in the Provence made entirely out of provincials in order to stop the Helvetii. Later these legions became some of his best troops. The 13 legion, also raised in the Provence (or Cisalpine Gaul) was the legion he chose to accompany him across the Rubicon. Though i agree direct evidence is sketchy at best.

Still it is undeniable that by the 60s BC Rome had enough sway among locals to recruit legions in the Provence, Cisalpine Gaul and Spain.